The Mediatress of All Grace?

[Rhamiel]

"Peter and Billy Graham? Those two names shouldn't even be used in the same sentence..."
That is being a little harsh, they both did what they could do in there respective positions, the Church is made up of clergy and laity and all are called to be servants of God

 

[repentant]

Maybe this Peter..

http://www.peterpopoff.org/

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-popoff-39-17Mhz.htm

 

[setmeonfire]

Amen.The ekklesia, the called out ones..the body of Christ..Your a called out one, I am a called out one

amen. i didnt hear anything about a denomonation being the true church in there. just anyone who is called out (of the world) is now in the church.

and the peter/b. grahm thing.... Phillipians 2:3 "...consider others better than yourselves" no one is above anyon in any aspect.

 

[Iollain]

Same message different interpretations..

Peter and Billy Graham? Those two names shouldn't even be used in the same sentence...

And Peter would disagree with you, i'm sure he is not as proud as you think he is.

 

[Iollain]

Maybe this Peter..

http://www.peterpopoff.org/

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-popoff-39-17Mhz.htm

Ya know if your lucky, Peter Popoff might invite ya to sit up closer to Jesus at that Table.

 

[MikeMcK]

Not everything is written in God's Word. Some things were passed down orally. The Bible states this.

The Bible never says that things that were passed down orally supercede the written word of God.

Things that were "passed down orally" are still subject to the authority of God's word.

 

[lionroar0]

The Bible never says that things that were passed down orally supercede the written word of God.

Things that were "passed down orally" are still subject to the authority of God's word.

Neither does the Bible say that those things passed orally are subject to the written word.

What do Scriptures do say it is that we are supposed to keep both the what has been passed down orally and written.


Peace

 

[sunlover1]

Neither does the Bible say that those things passed orally are subject to the written word.

What do Scriptures do say it is that we are supposed to keep both the what has been passed down orally and written.


Peace

The only pitfall is that we only have
what was passed down in writing.
All oral tradition would be subject to
human error.

So in that case, naturally oral tradition
would be subject to written.

 

[lionroar0]

The only pitfall is that we only have
what was passed down in writing.
All oral tradition would be subject to
human error.

So in that case, naturally oral tradition
would be subject to written.

What is written can also come under human error.

Examples;

The Arians, Gnostics, montanist, modalist, donatist.

Modern errors.

JM, mormons, oneness pentecostals.


Peace

 

[sunlover1]

What is written can also come under human error.

Examples;

The Arians, Gnostics, montanist, modalist, donatist.

Modern errors.

JM, mormons, oneness pentecostals.


Peace

No, we have a record of what is written.
But it's up to each individual what he/she
wants to trust.

Not that I don't enjoy reading histories and
such.
Just that they're not on the same level
as Scripture.
They're not God breathed, alive, divinely
inspired...


That's all I mean.

 

[repentant]

Ya know if your lucky, Peter Popoff might invite ya to sit up closer to Jesus at that Table.

How much will I have to pay him?

You do know he was caught frauding people, don't you?


Yet people still seem to throw their money at him, and hang on his every word..how sad.

 

[repentant]

amen. i didnt hear anything about a denomonation being the true church in there. just anyone who is called out (of the world) is now in the church.

That's because a "denomination", a word not invented until the 16th century, is..

and the peter/b. grahm thing.... Phillipians 2:3 "...consider others better than yourselves" no one is above anyon in any aspect.

Ok..considering I never mentioned myself anywhere in there..

 

[sunlover1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheListener
It doesnt. It actually says the CHURCH is the sole authority, and the pillar and foundation of truth.

For someone who subscribes to the Bible, I find it impossible to ignore this. One of the many reasons I became a Catholic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunlover1
Where does it say this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheListener
1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

This doesn't say the church is the sole
authority.
It says it's the pillar
and foundation
of truth.

It says nothing about authority.

Here's another one:

1 Corinthians 11:1-3 KJV
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things,
and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know,
that the head of every man is Christ;
and the head of the woman is the man;
and the head of Christ is God.

 

[Iollain]

How much will I have to pay him?

You do know he was caught frauding people, don't you?


Yet people still seem to throw their money at him, and hang on his every word..how sad.

Well now that i know for sure what you think of Peter Popoff (and no i don't follow him, don't watch him at all so i cannot make a judgement on the guy, looks from his website that he is preaching to many people), now i know for sure that not only did you say that people should not mention Peter and Billy Graeme in the same sentence, but that Billy Graeme should be mentioned with Peter Popoff...........so tell me, what is it that makes you so venomous against Billy Graeme, oh smarty pants.

 

[setmeonfire]

i wasnt aiming that at you. just meant b. grahm isnt better than pope and vice cersa. i apologize if it sounded like i meant it for you, i didnt.

 

[Rhamiel]

"This doesn't say the church is the sole
authority.
It says it's the pillar
and foundation
of truth.

It says nothing about authority."

Well in a strict sense no one has any authority other than God. But God set up a Church to lead men to Him and to preserve the Bible, the Church is in schism but still one

 

[Benedicta00]

Where do we find scripture to this? How did Mary get this title? Who gave this title to her? And what does this title mean?

The Mediatress of All Grace?

Is not a doctrine.

But...

Where do we find scripture to this?

Where else? In Genesis 3, Luke 1, John 2, Revelation 12.

How did Mary get this title?

Don't really know...

Who gave this title to her?

I would assume one of the great saints?? Mary herself in a apparition?

And what does this title mean?

That God from the very beginning had this plan (Revelation 12) to come down from heaven to become one of us in order that we can have this amazing union with him and share this oneness with him.

So he created for himself a mother (Genesis 3) and as much as I realize that this is a shock to your fundamentalist beliefs, God chose to enlist the aid of Mary in his plan. Revelation 12.

So Jesus and Mary are a team. John 2.

This does not in any way mean that Mary is divine. That she is to be worshipped. That she is equal to the Father Son or Holy Spirit. It just means that she is on the same page as Jesus concerning the world's salvation. She stood at the foot of His cross, after all.

So this means that God has enlisted her to watch out for us and to be our mother in heaven (Jesus even gave her to us from the cross) where she knows what we need before we know what we need (Wedding at Canon) and she asks God to give us what we stand in most need of (Wedding at canon). Thus she is called Mediatress of All Grace.

There you go. You've been answered.

 

[Benedicta00]

Up date: I believe the title and the theology was developed mostly by Saint Alphonsus de Liguori.

 

[sunlover1]

IAA and I have been praying for you.
We were a bit worried about you.

So this means that God has enlisted her to watch out for us and to be our mother in heaven (Jesus even gave her to us from the cross)

Well, He gave her to John to take care of
her because He was ...leaving.
He didn't give her to 'us'.
I don't see that there.
I don't even see where that's implied.

where she knows what we need before we know what we need (Wedding at Canon)

I'm guessing most women at the wedding
noticed the wine was running out.
But again, that's nothing to do with
knowing what 'we' need.

Thus she is called Mediatress of All Grace.

This cannot be:

1 Timothy 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Glad all is well with you,
sunlover

 

[Benedicta00]

Good to "see" you too.

Well, He gave her to John to take care of
her because He was ...leaving.
He didn't give her to 'us'.
I don't see that there.
I don't even see where that's implied.

I disagree with that interpretation.

I'm guessing most women at the wedding
noticed the wine was running out.
But again, that's nothing to do with
knowing what 'we' need.

I disagree with how this is being interpreted.

This cannot be:

1 Timothy 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Sure it can.

Mediator and intercessor which is what we are meaning, are not the same.

We do not ask Mary, believe or claim that she intercede between mankind and mankind's sin.

We just say she prayers for us in which her prayers draw down grace on us.

If I prayed for you-- would I be drawing down grace? I think so.

We need not read so much into things.