The matter of "NOT" consuming alcohol based on the Bible's teachings.

[GPguy]

Never does the Bible say it is all right to drink of wine or any other alcoholic drink. Yes, it may say in Proverbs 31:6 to give a person in severe pain or of severe illness something to help them not feel all that they are suffering, but that is in no way like telling us it is fine to drink, for the patient being given these drinks knows not that they are getting them, they are only being given them as a form of soothing from their severe sufferings. The same goes for morphine - Yes, patients are given this as well but for the same reason the bible speaks of giving one a drink - to sooth their pain and suffering... If someone were to take morphine or have a drink while they're physically and mentally fit, I believe that to be wrong based on the bible's readings itself. We can not interpret what the bibles says into "it's all right in drinking alcohol" or pretty much doing drugs as well.... The bible never states it is. Now, yes, Jesus did indeed turn water into wine, most everyone knows this. The question for many people concerning this is, "Was it fermented or no?' My answer to this in all that I believe and based on the bible's readings from the old and new testaments is no, it did not. Now some people will believe the bible to speak of drinking alcohol in moderation to be fine... Well... That just doesn't fit in very well either with what the bible speaks of... We all know that an addiction of any kind starts with someone just doing something once, whether it be one puff of a cigarette/cigar, one slip of a cuss word from the mouth, one peak at pornography, one time of drug-use or one sip of alcohol... It takes one action to start an addiction... So, with that being said, don't succumb to it once, for it will become an addiction. Now another subject brought to hand when discussing the consumption of alcohol, is doing it when alone, so as not to be an influence to those who may be weak or have an addiction of drinking that they want to be freed from... It is better to have NO consumption of alcohol, whether doing so in public or alone, just forbid yourself from doing it at all! Also, whether or not it is to be done in moderation, we all know that alcohol is a severe killer to the human body - God's temple. The bible tells us we are to care for God's temple, our body... Even if alcohol were to be consumed by the human body only once in a small portion each day, in the long run it is still very much indeed a true danger in deteriorating the temple of God - The human body...

Now I will show many biblical scriptures in reference to this matter.

Luke 1:13-15 (KJV)

But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Right there the scriptures read this of John the baptist... Is Christ not more holy than he? For even John himself asked Christ this... If John the baptist should not have drunk of fermented drink, then why would Jesus?... He wouldn't!

Let us look at the Hebrew definition of wine:

Wine: (Hebrew) a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin; "wine" (literally or figuratively): KJV--wine. Transliterated: yayin Phonetic: yah'-yin Text: from an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication: -banqueting, wine, wine[-bibber].

Notice how it states that the word wine is used "figuratively" or as "implications"?... People imply it to mean of fermentation\alcohol, that does not make it a fact.

Proverbs 20:1(KJV) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Proverbs 20:1(NIV) Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.

Now, I shared both the NKJV and the NIV versions, because people seem to like to say that beer is a less alcoholic drink, therefore ok to drink opposed to wine... Well, the bible actually puts it in the category of stronger drinks, probably due to its ease of access over wine and its freer consumption.

Ephesians 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

Definitions of the word "Place" are as follows:

Place(in the original Greek definition): a primary word; a spot (general in space, but limited by occupancy), i.e. location (as a position, home, tract, etc.); figuratively, condition, opportunity; specifically, a scabbard: KJV--coast, license, place.

You see, wine is a mocker and one can be led astray by it and Satan can use it as something to lead one astray... So, why give "place" to the devil, why even give him the opportunity... One drink gives him the opportunity... That one drink should never be taken, for we are never to give place to the devil...

Revelation 5:1 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (We have been made kings and priests unto God)

Proverbs 31:4(KJV) It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: (We are not to drink of wine, beer or any other drink of such likeliness)

Proverbs 31:4(NIV) "It is not for kings, O Lemuel-- not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer - Now, to crave in general is not to form an addiction, nor is it wrong... For one can easily crave some cheese curls and there would be no harm in it, but for one to crave beer, such as along with a hot dog or anything else for that matter - to crave "beer" is wrong. Also again, the NIV seems to categorize beer as a strong drink...

Now, let me end by again giving you the NIV scripture of; Luke 1:13-15 (NIV) But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth.

So, you all see the NIV right there reads that fermented drinks were never to be consumed. If John the baptist was not to consume drinks of these sorts, surely Jesus of course would not. I guess at the wedding where Jesus turned water into "wine" they did pretty much have some "ok" tasting grape juice or other of some sort and Jesus just made more of it from water, only with much more pleasure in taste... We are not to consume any fermentation, therefore Christ would not make something of that sort and have all drink it... God never once contradicts Himself... The scriptures are all clearly there.

Now, to those who may make mention of Noah drinking fermented drink and any of the other godly figures in Old Testament stories, and to those who honestly feel Christ did indeed consume drinks of such, I write the following.

Many speak of not wanting to have anything to do with wine/alcohol because of personal past experiences in their family, their own life or their friends lives... Well, it is obvious that whatever one may have experienced and/or if one has witnessed drunkenness, that that person or any other, first got drunk from taking that first sip of alcohol and continuing to take more which comes to lead to an addiction to it! So again, it is better to not drink one drink at all, when you know that is has the strength to make one addicted to it! Do NOT give place to the devil! Now, yes, I know in many scriptures, specifically the Old testament, it speaks of good "godly" men drinking of drinks that were obviously fermented, such as Noah, who GOT DRUNK off of it... You see, just because it is done by people we know to be of godly standards, does not make it right... I mean look at David, he was surely a godly man but committed adultery, just because he did so does not make it right, same goes for Noah and his drinking… Yes, one may say that only happened to Noah because he consumed too much at one time… Yes, I agree, and that makes my point this… Let us say I went along with your beliefs for a second and that Christ did drink of fermented wine, well, Christ is Christ, He is perfect and the only one who is perfect, He can keep Himself from indulging in too many drinks because He is the perfect one and He did not sin, he will not let wine make a mocker of Him. Now in the case of Noah, you, myself or anyone else, we are not perfect and we could succumb to the evil sting of alcohol just as we sometimes may let ourselves fall at Satan’s hand, which again, Jesus did not, even though Satan literally tried tempting Him, but again, Jesus did not succumb to him because He is PERFECT and free of sin, whereas we are NOT, so in saying all that, there is a flaw in believing Jesus may have drunk a drink of fermentation... I state that Christ did NOT drink fermentation because He'd never do something that could weaken any of us... NEVER! So, it is just better off to stray from alcohol altogether, because as we all know, it is that “ONE” first drink that leads to addiction, whether it be a beer bottle drunk by a teen for the first time or a first sip of wine at a wedding or some other event… I’m only stating that it is better to stray from it altogether, because as the bible states, wine can be a viper with a deadly sting… Why take a chance of coming face to face with that viper… We needn’t give place to the devil… Jesus wouldn’t do anything that would lead to our stupidity in sin one day in our lives, He was and is perfect in all that He did/does, we are NOT. Jesus did not drink a drink of fermentation, He would not lead Himself to do something that could weaken others. Period! My statements and scriptures should make this a well known thing.

May God Bless.

In His name,

Jonathan

 

[linssue55]

Even the Lord drank wine (in those days it was fermented on the vine), He did so in moderation. He even said to give some wine to those that were dying. Moderation in fact is benefical, for those who wonder.

 

[JRSut1000]

I don't see any Scriptures condemning any use of wine. I do believe personal convictions vary and I'm OK with that. But to say NO one should EVER drink alcohol, thats just not seen in Scripture. Getting drunk is definitely condemned in the Scriptures, but wine (new wine) was used during weddings, and the holy feasts of YHWH.

 

[2thePoint]

Deuteronomy 14:22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee

 

[drich0150]

In the Greek the word we translate into "wine" literally means a fermented drink. There is another word that describes grape juice it is often times translated into "Fruit of the vine." So when we see the word wine we know it to mean a fermented drink and when we see "fruit of the vine" as it pertains to drink we know it means an unfermented drink made from grapes.

Not to mention we have this command from Paul to timothy in the selection of a deacons:1 Timothy 3:8
In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain.

This clearly teaches drinking wine in moderation even for someone in a position of a deacon is OK. (so long as good with their conscience)

And then Paul tells timothy Himself to drink the "fermented drink"
1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

Now this said we must find continuity between this teaching and those found in Acts that tell us not to allow our freedoms in what we eat and drink causing others to stumble. Which means if drinking is a sin for you then it is a sin and You should not partake.

 

[GPguy]

Christ would not lead Himself to do something that could weaken others. Period! That tells it all right there. Also, He knew the couple were obviously wedding and one knows what takes place after marriage... Christ would not make fermentation for them to drink in risk of harming a possible baby... Think of it all my friends, really.

 

[JRSut1000]

A little wine doesn't hurt a baby, science will tell you that. It takes 6 weeks before what a mother consumes will actually reach the baby through the umbilical cord.

Only in America is drinking a 'sin'. Everywhere else in moderation, it's considered fine, especially Eastern cultures.

 

[prophecyistrue]

Never does the Bible say it is all right to drink of wine or any other alcoholic drink. Yes, it may say in Proverbs 31:6 to give a person in severe pain or of severe illness something to help them not feel all that they are suffering, but that is in no way like telling us it is fine to drink, for the patient being given these drinks knows not that they are getting them, they are only being given them as a form of soothing from their severe sufferings. The same goes for morphine - Yes, patients are given this as well but for the same reason the bible speaks of giving one a drink - to sooth their pain and suffering... If someone were to take morphine or have a drink while they're physically and mentally fit, I believe that to be wrong based on the bible's readings itself. We can not interpret what the bibles says into "it's all right in drinking alcohol" or pretty much doing drugs as well.... The bible never states it is. Now, yes, Jesus did indeed turn water into wine, most everyone knows this. The question for many people concerning this is, "Was it fermented or no?' My answer to this in all that I believe and based on the bible's readings from the old and new testaments is no, it did not. Now some people will believe the bible to speak of drinking alcohol in moderation to be fine... Well... That just doesn't fit in very well either with what the bible speaks of... We all know that an addiction of any kind starts with someone just doing something once, whether it be one puff of a cigarette/cigar, one slip of a cuss word from the mouth, one peak at pornography, one time of drug-use or one sip of alcohol... It takes one action to start an addiction... So, with that being said, don't succumb to it once, for it will become an addiction. Now another subject brought to hand when discussing the consumption of alcohol, is doing it when alone, so as not to be an influence to those who may be weak or have an addiction of drinking that they want to be freed from... It is better to have NO consumption of alcohol, whether doing so in public or alone, just forbid yourself from doing it at all! Also, whether or not it is to be done in moderation, we all know that alcohol is a severe killer to the human body - God's temple. The bible tells us we are to care for God's temple, our body... Even if alcohol were to be consumed by the human body only once in a small portion each day, in the long run it is still very much indeed a true danger in deteriorating the temple of God - The human body...

Now I will show many biblical scriptures in reference to this matter.

Luke 1:13-15 (KJV)

But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Right there the scriptures read this of John the baptist... Is Christ not more holy than he? For even John himself asked Christ this... If John the baptist should not have drunk of fermented drink, then why would Jesus?... He wouldn't!

Let us look at the Hebrew definition of wine:

Wine: (Hebrew) a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin; "wine" (literally or figuratively): KJV--wine. Transliterated: yayin Phonetic: yah'-yin Text: from an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication: -banqueting, wine, wine[-bibber].

Notice how it states that the word wine is used "figuratively" or as "implications"?... People imply it to mean of fermentation\alcohol, that does not make it a fact.

Proverbs 20:1(KJV) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Proverbs 20:1(NIV) Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.

Now, I shared both the NKJV and the NIV versions, because people seem to like to say that beer is a less alcoholic drink, therefore ok to drink opposed to wine... Well, the bible actually puts it in the category of stronger drinks, probably due to its ease of access over wine and its freer consumption.

Ephesians 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

Definitions of the word "Place" are as follows:

Place(in the original Greek definition): a primary word; a spot (general in space, but limited by occupancy), i.e. location (as a position, home, tract, etc.); figuratively, condition, opportunity; specifically, a scabbard: KJV--coast, license, place.

You see, wine is a mocker and one can be led astray by it and Satan can use it as something to lead one astray... So, why give "place" to the devil, why even give him the opportunity... One drink gives him the opportunity... That one drink should never be taken, for we are never to give place to the devil...

Revelation 5:1 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (We have been made kings and priests unto God)

Proverbs 31:4(KJV) It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: (We are not to drink of wine, beer or any other drink of such likeliness)

Proverbs 31:4(NIV) "It is not for kings, O Lemuel-- not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer - Now, to crave in general is not to form an addiction, nor is it wrong... For one can easily crave some cheese curls and there would be no harm in it, but for one to crave beer, such as along with a hot dog or anything else for that matter - to crave "beer" is wrong. Also again, the NIV seems to categorize beer as a strong drink...

Now, let me end by again giving you the NIV scripture of; Luke 1:13-15 (NIV) But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth.

So, you all see the NIV right there reads that fermented drinks were never to be consumed. If John the baptist was not to consume drinks of these sorts, surely Jesus of course would not. I guess at the wedding where Jesus turned water into "wine" they did pretty much have some "ok" tasting grape juice or other of some sort and Jesus just made more of it from water, only with much more pleasure in taste... We are not to consume any fermentation, therefore Christ would not make something of that sort and have all drink it... God never once contradicts Himself... The scriptures are all clearly there.

Now, to those who may make mention of Noah drinking fermented drink and any of the other godly figures in Old Testament stories, and to those who honestly feel Christ did indeed consume drinks of such, I write the following.

Many speak of not wanting to have anything to do with wine/alcohol because of personal past experiences in their family, their own life or their friends lives... Well, it is obvious that whatever one may have experienced and/or if one has witnessed drunkenness, that that person or any other, first got drunk from taking that first sip of alcohol and continuing to take more which comes to lead to an addiction to it! So again, it is better to not drink one drink at all, when you know that is has the strength to make one addicted to it! Do NOT give place to the devil! Now, yes, I know in many scriptures, specifically the Old testament, it speaks of good "godly" men drinking of drinks that were obviously fermented, such as Noah, who GOT DRUNK off of it... You see, just because it is done by people we know to be of godly standards, does not make it right... I mean look at David, he was surely a godly man but committed adultery, just because he did so does not make it right, same goes for Noah and his drinking… Yes, one may say that only happened to Noah because he consumed too much at one time… Yes, I agree, and that makes my point this… Let us say I went along with your beliefs for a second and that Christ did drink of fermented wine, well, Christ is Christ, He is perfect and the only one who is perfect, He can keep Himself from indulging in too many drinks because He is the perfect one and He did not sin, he will not let wine make a mocker of Him. Now in the case of Noah, you, myself or anyone else, we are not perfect and we could succumb to the evil sting of alcohol just as we sometimes may let ourselves fall at Satan’s hand, which again, Jesus did not, even though Satan literally tried tempting Him, but again, Jesus did not succumb to him because He is PERFECT and free of sin, whereas we are NOT, so in saying all that, there is a flaw in believing Jesus may have drunk a drink of fermentation... I state that Christ did NOT drink fermentation because He'd never do something that could weaken any of us... NEVER! So, it is just better off to stray from alcohol altogether, because as we all know, it is that “ONE” first drink that leads to addiction, whether it be a beer bottle drunk by a teen for the first time or a first sip of wine at a wedding or some other event… I’m only stating that it is better to stray from it altogether, because as the bible states, wine can be a viper with a deadly sting… Why take a chance of coming face to face with that viper… We needn’t give place to the devil… Jesus wouldn’t do anything that would lead to our stupidity in sin one day in our lives, He was and is perfect in all that He did/does, we are NOT. Jesus did not drink a drink of fermentation, He would not lead Himself to do something that could weaken others. Period! My statements and scriptures should make this a well known thing.

May God Bless.

In His name,

Jonathan

Jonathan you should never drink alcohol, it would be a sin for you to do so, but you have not rightly divided the word of God concerning wine and beer, and strong drink.......and what is grape juice.......while I understand your thinking, and the reality of statistics behind what it does, what the bible says about drinking is only negative to its abuse......which we see daily, alcohol abuse is terrible.....I personally don't drink alcohol, but the bible does not declare its a sin to have a drink, but only in its abuse

 

[drich0150]

Christ would not lead Himself to do something that could weaken others. Period! That tells it all right there. Also, He knew the couple were obviously wedding and one knows what takes place after marriage... Christ would not make fermentation for them to drink in risk of harming a possible baby... Think of it all my friends, really.

again if you believe it to be a sin to drink then do not do so.

Also know that what is recorded in the New testament in not consistent with your understanding of it. Which is fine so long as you do not teach what contradicts what is in scripture.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Christ would not lead Himself to do something that could weaken others. Period! That tells it all right there. Also, He knew the couple were obviously wedding and one knows what takes place after marriage... Christ would not make fermentation for them to drink in risk of harming a possible baby... Think of it all my friends, really.

Condemned Christian seeks to condemn others. Now for the weather.

 

[zaksmummy]

Condemned Christian seeks to condemn others. Now for the weather.

Got to love English humour

 

[seashale76]

Using the scriptures to decide something such as 'Should I drink alcohol or not?' is silly. That's not what they're for. Should I eat a chocolate cupcake? Should I buy new clothes? Why don't we look in the scriptures for that too? Just be moderate. When people attempt to do this- I think they are missing the point entirely. The Old Testament shows types and anti-types of Christ. The New Testament shows Christ revealed- and tells of his birth, ministry, death, and resurrection. The NT is the product and part of the Holy Tradition of the Church (which was around before the NT). In the Church we have the means to live a life in Christ and attain salvation. In fact, it is the entire focus.

People need to give up this sola-scriptura proof-texting business- or whatever they're calling it these days.

 

[Dark_Lite]

This forum is not for Christians to debate. If you want to do that, go to the Theology forums.

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