The Marks of Cain in the Land of Wandering

[Timtofly]

Seems like people don't want to belive that anyone else could have known the nature of God. One even calls Greek History the work of Satan. Only someone who's never read it would ever think that, much less say it where it will come back to haunt them if the whole truth hits the streets.

And those verses also reminded me of the same thing they did you... this is how Bible Study goes, in my experience. Connections are made. If Cain's known to be a murderer, people would of course avoid him at all costs. Especially when the son is 10 times worse than dear old dad.
So... we see the same thing happening with Solomon wringing the people dry, and then that brat of his salting the land. It amazes me that people think Solomon's the one God wanted to build a house for His name. If David, the man after God's own heart couldn't build it, no human can. Certainly not the people who had Jezebel in their back pocket.

2Sam.7:14 I will be His Father, and He shall be My Son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Isa.53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed.

So you think that in 1900 BC, humans were further advanced than we are today, had space ships and nuclear bombs. The Mesopotamians already nuked the earth once sending it back to the stone age, and that is why the Greeks and Romans became so powerful. They started over with a primitive mythology after Sodom and Gomorrah were nuked. Mesopotamia lay in shatters and whoever escaped settled in Europe and started over. OK, if you accept all that, go for it.

 

[BeyondET]

Possible second man on earth built a city Cain. In a little over a hundred years man went from horse and buggy to spaceships 2021

 

[Timtofly]

Possible second man on earth built a city Cain. In a little over a hundred years man went from horse and buggy to spaceships 2021

It was the second time for a do over. God just destroyed Cain's earth with a Flood. Only Noah and 7 others went from an ark to billions in 500 years. An ice age came after Sodom, literally preventing many humans from surviving. Only the strongest lived through that time. History is very much shorter than what Satan pushes as knowledge.

Cain was not the Second man on earth. There were many other humans created on the 6th day. Adam was only one among many. Only Noah, a direct descendant left Adam and Eve as the "first parents". God killed all the other's offspring in the Flood.

 

[Ligurian]

Chronicles has David suppling every thing Solomon finishes.

2 chronicles 7
1When Solomon had finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple. 2The priests were unable to enter the house of the LORD, because the glory of the LORD had filled it.

Remember when they chose to hear Moses rather than God? Fire made them afraid.

Isaiah.1&66 say God delights not in burnt offerings and sacrifices. Jesus reminds us that the Psalm which links to the hyssop at the cross has David saying God desired not sacrifice. And we certainly know how God feels about human sacrifice, don't we? Michah also reminds us of that which God desires. Jesus tells them to go find out what means, I will have mercy, not sacrifice... He's talking about the sacrifices done by Judah/Jerusalem over against the lost sheep of the house of Israel which He came to find and save. Judah thought they had it made because they were rich enough to buy the favor of God, no matter how sinful they became. When Solomon's brat said he'd not only make them pay all the taxes Solomon made them groan under but make them much worse, Israel-of-the-north told Judah to feed themselves... to your tents, Israelites!

They rejected God at Sinai and asked to have Moses as go-between. They rejected God when they asked to have a King like all the nations around them. They rejected the mercy of God when they asked for the very same sacrificial system which the surrounding nations were using. And they rejected God when they built a temple and locked Him away from them. Because this is what a priesthood does... it separates the masses from the God they worship, and keeps them under the thumb of hireling shepherds. Jesus told us what not to do, when He says call no man your master/teacher/rabbi(Matt.23)... because you have the Good Shepherd, the One Shepherd over the One Fold (John.10). Because human teachers aren't going to hell for us when they get it wrong, Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit if we will first keep His commandments. And Matthew and John tell us what the Holy Spirit does for the glory of Jesus; Jesus tells these men the Father has given to Him that they will also be His witnesses because they were with Him from the beginning. (I do have Scriptures for all of these things.)

 

[Ligurian]

I was reading 1 kings chap 5 :17 about the reason Solomon said not able to build it because of wars haven’t studied much on it yet.

Solomon was told that he must keep the commandments of God... David had blood on his hands and couldn't build the temple... Solomon tried to kill Israel-of-the-north's king, right after being made king. Jesus tells us that if you think about a thing and implies that if you try and fail, you are guilty of doing the crime... which means Solomon was even more unfit to build the house of God.

Esaias 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, Heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool: what kind of a house will ye build Me? and of what kind is to be the place of My rest? 2 For all these things are Mine, saith the Lord: and to whom will I have respect, but to the humble and meek, and the man that trembles at My words? 3 But the transgressor that sacrifices a calf to Me, is as he that kills a dog; and he that offers fine flour, as one that offers swine’s blood; he that gives frankincense for a memorial, is as a blasphemer. Yet they have chosen their own ways, and their soul has delighted in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their mockeries, and will recompense their sins upon them; because I called them, and they did not hearken to Me; I spoke, and they heard not: and they did evil before Me, and chose the things wherein I delighted not.

5 Hear the words of the Lord, ye that tremble at His word; speak ye, our brethren, to them that hate you and abominate you, that the name of the Lord may be glorified, and may appear their joy; but they shall be ashamed. 6 A voice of a cry from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord rendering recompence to His adversaries. 7 Before she that travailed brought forth, before the travail-pain came on, she escaped it and brought forth a male. 8 Who has heard such a thing? and who has seen after this manner? Has the earth travailed in one day? or has even a nation been born at once, that Sion has travailed, and brought forth her children? 9 But I have raised this expectation, yet thou hast not remembered Me, saith the Lord: behold, have not I made the bearing and barren woman? saith thy God.
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Rev.12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] His throne.
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Rev.11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

This woman is Heavenly Sion, and her child is born from above, given the Resurrection prepared for us by Jesus, and taken up to Heaven. Rev.10 calls this the Kingdom of God, which is the Mystery of God that is finished because of this Resurrection... so, the wedding of Cana = this wedding in Heaven. Those who overcome, says Jesus...

Rev.2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.

People think this was the birth of Jesus in Rev.12... and of course it was not. Because Isa.66 told us what Rev.12 tells us... and most people don't talk about Isa.65 which sets the stage. They want to believe that a chosen nation doesn't have to obey "thou shalt not covet" then "kill", then "steal". So they don't mind at all saying that blood-drenched secular Zion equals the entirely different Heavenly Sion of Rev.12.

The remnant who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus only wake up when they see the Resurrection of the Two Witnesses... these are also of Heavenly Sion, but they will have to flee Jerusalem/Babylon before the earthquake which is caused by the earth to swallow the flood of the dragon. This is the split mountain from the Prophets... I don't remember the exact Scripture for it right now... but they will go even to old Babylon, where they will be evangelized by God. After the world has hated this woman, the 144k sealed will be found in the lands where they live, and they will be coming home.

Apparently the beast from the pit that makes war on the saints will stand in a new abomination-temple... Daniel's sacrifice and drink offering are not temple things... they're the two witnesses which are taken up by God... because Psalms 51:16-17, Micah 6:7-8 Isaiah 66:1-8, and Jeremiah 7:4-7 still stand.

 

[BeyondET]

It was the second time for a do over. God just destroyed Cain's earth with a Flood. Only Noah and 7 others went from an ark to billions in 500 years. An ice age came after Sodom, literally preventing many humans from surviving. Only the strongest lived through that time. History is very much shorter than what Satan pushes as knowledge.

Cain was not the Second man on earth. There were many other humans created on the 6th day. Adam was only one among many. Only Noah, a direct descendant left Adam and Eve as the "first parents". God killed all the other's offspring in the Flood.

many more before Adam who was formed in God’s likeness and image only.

Cain’s world what about the descendants of Seth a son of Adam made in Adams likeness and image only?

And Adam and Eve had other children

 

[BeyondET]

Remember when they chose to hear Moses rather than God? Fire made them afraid.

Isaiah.1&66 say God delights not in burnt offerings and sacrifices. Jesus reminds us that the Psalm which links to the hyssop at the cross has David saying God desired not sacrifice. And we certainly know how God feels about human sacrifice, don't we? Michah also reminds us of that which God desires. Jesus tells them to go find out what means, I will have mercy, not sacrifice... He's talking about the sacrifices done by Judah/Jerusalem over against the lost sheep of the house of Israel which He came to find and save. Judah thought they had it made because they were rich enough to buy the favor of God, no matter how sinful they became. When Solomon's brat said he'd not only make them pay all the taxes Solomon made them groan under but make them much worse, Israel-of-the-north told Judah to feed themselves... to your tents, Israelites!

They rejected God at Sinai and asked to have Moses as go-between. They rejected God when they asked to have a King like all the nations around them. They rejected the mercy of God when they asked for the very same sacrificial system which the surrounding nations were using. And they rejected God when they built a temple and locked Him away from them. Because this is what a priesthood does... it separates the masses from the God they worship, and keeps them under the thumb of hireling shepherds. Jesus told us what not to do, when He says call no man your master/teacher/rabbi(Matt.23)... because you have the Good Shepherd, the One Shepherd over the One Fold (John.10). Because human teachers aren't going to hell for us when they get it wrong, Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit if we will first keep His commandments. And Matthew and John tell us what the Holy Spirit does for the glory of Jesus; Jesus tells these men the Father has given to Him that they will also be His witnesses because they were with Him from the beginning. (I do have Scriptures for all of these things.)

Then what is your understanding of chronicles I posted clearly says Solomon finished what David supplied and God filled the house. You mentioned in a other post that David nor Solomon finished the temple

 

[Timtofly]

many more before Adam who was formed in God’s likeness and image only.

Cain’s world what about the descendants of Seth a son of Adam made in Adams likeness and image only?

And Adam and Eve had other children

Adam was created on Day 6. Not before, at the same time. Noah is a descendant of Seth.

 

[Ligurian]

Seems like people don't want to belive that anyone else could have known the nature of God. One even calls Greek History the work of Satan. Only someone who's never read it would ever think that, much less say it where it will come back to haunt them if the whole truth hits the streets.

So you think that in 1900 BC, humans were further advanced than we are today, had space ships and nuclear bombs. The Mesopotamians already nuked the earth once sending it back to the stone age, and that is why the Greeks and Romans became so powerful. They started over with a primitive mythology after Sodom and Gomorrah were nuked. Mesopotamia lay in shatters and whoever escaped settled in Europe and started over. OK, if you accept all that, go for it.

pffft ... In order to run with that /\ nonsense,
you must've skipped this post \/ entirely.

So... obviously, since God didn't create a spaceship to send Cain off the face of the earth... there must have been other people living here before Adam was created...

I don't believe Sitchin's various comedies, so... I never used your nuke theories.
But then, I don't think the Earth is a cube, like you do.
Nor do I believe that Noah wrote the Creation Story, like you seem to do.

IMHO, you'd be much better off not reading-in that which doesn't exist, Timtofly.
Why not compare and contrast your Zoroaster with the Greek Legends that I prefer?

 

[Ligurian]

Noah is a descendant of Seth.

If that's true, then "Antisemite" is also a trick.

Which blood-type was Adam?
1. A
2. B
3. O

"There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza..."

 

[Ligurian]

Then what is your understanding of chronicles I posted clearly says Solomon finished what David supplied and God filled the house. You mentioned in a other post that David nor Solomon finished the temple

That same David says this:
Psalm 51:16 "For if thou desiredst sacrifice, I would have given it: thou wilt not take pleasure in whole-burnt-offerings. 17 Sacrifice to God is a broken spirit: a broken and humbled heart God will not despise."

How do you reconcile your Chronicles verse with that? ... I can't do it.
Either David supplied the things for temple sacrifice
or he knew God didn't desire sacrifices and burnt offerings.

I believe what Jesus says... in all of the verses after which He says "But I say unto you." How do you reconcile all of the eye-for-an-eye type verses with what Jesus says is true?

Jesus says Moses allowed divorce for reasons other than adultery because of the hardness of their hearts... where do we read in the Old Testament that "Moses allowed" it, rather than "Thus saith God"? ... No place that I can find.

But I do find where God gives the marks of the false prophet.

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
(God allows the false prophet, and knows that those who love Him because they know His nature, will refuse the false that doesn't match. ... I gave up being fooled by bible canon a lot of years ago.)

How do you reconcile these?

Ex.20:15 Thou shalt not steal. 16. Thou shalt not kill. 17. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house; nor his field, nor his servant, nor his maid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any of his cattle, nor whatever belongs to thy neighbour.
Deut.20:17 Kill everything that breathes...*
Matt.7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

* God knew they were already carrying idols... (the star of your god Raephan) ... so it's impossible for me to believe that the Canaanite babies and puppies (and the Philistines who acted more righteous than the men who saved their lives by tossing their wives to these supposed heathens)... were all supposed to be slaughtered en masse... to keep these idolators from sin... as if. Rachel stole her father's idols, no matter what pretense is offered these days.

[What on Earth gave them the right to take lands that were East of Jordan? They seem to have been coveting their neighbor's... everything... and pretending 'Thus sayeth God'. And what sort of god considers rape something you can buy your way out of? Not the God who appeared to Mary, first of all... and said she chose the right thing when she wasn't in the kitchen making sandwiches for the menfolk... and said she would be remembered for her preparation for His death.]

In fact, this one verse \/ cancels out all of the laws of the OT false prophets.

Matt.7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

How many things, which are in the bible as 'canon', don't match this verse even a little bit?

 

[BeyondET]

Adam was created on Day 6. Not before, at the same time. Noah is a descendant of Seth.

I think day 6 nephilims

 

[BeyondET]

That same David says this:
Psalm 51:16 "For if thou desiredst sacrifice, I would have given it: thou wilt not take pleasure in whole-burnt-offerings. 17 Sacrifice to God is a broken spirit: a broken and humbled heart God will not despise."

How do you reconcile your Chronicles verse with that? ... I can't do it.
Either David supplied the things for temple sacrifice
or he knew God didn't desire sacrifices and burnt offerings.

David still supplied and Solomon finished. the issue with what your wondering on how to reconcile is because you are assuming God was totally against sacrifices burnt offerings.

David knew the most important was relaying the message, it is on the list to do but not at the top, He delights but not as much as obedience.

1 Sam 15:22
But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams.

David and Solomon did what the Lord told them to do in chronicles

 

[Timtofly]

pffft ... In order to run with that /\ nonsense,
you must've skipped this post \/ entirely.



I don't believe Sitchin's various comedies, so... I never used your nuke theories.
But then, I don't think the Earth is a cube, like you do.
Nor do I believe that Noah wrote the Creation Story, like you seem to do.

IMHO, you'd be much better off not reading-in that which doesn't exist, Timtofly.
Why not compare and contrast your Zoroaster with the Greek Legends that I prefer?

I don't accept history's legendary version of Noah, nor that they had nukes. Whatever happened at Sodom did effect Mesopotamia, because the winds carried a cloud east and turned Iraq into a desert. It was once heavily wooded, so much, that it was hard to get through. Now it is a desert. You can read Akkadian tablets for that history.

You do not have to accept mythology at all.

 

[Timtofly]

If that's true, then "Antisemite" is also a trick.

Which blood-type was Adam?
1. A
2. B
3. O

"There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza..."

No there is a hole in the Bible where Genesis chapter 5 is. Noah is the last name in the genealogy of Adam.

 

[Ligurian]

David still supplied and Solomon finished. the issue with what your wondering on how to reconcile is because you are assuming God was totally against sacrifices burnt offerings.

I read it in the Prophets, over and over again, like I showed you... and I'm thinking you didn't look those verses up for yourself. Well, here's one more:

Jeremias 7:1 2 Hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judea. 3 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Correct your ways and your devices, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4 Trust not in yourselves with lying words, for they shall not profit you at all, saying, It is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord. ...
22 For I spoke not to your fathers, and commanded them not in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice: 23 but I commanded them this thing, saying, Hear ye My voice, and I will be to you a God, and ye shall be to Me a people: and walk ye in all My ways which I shall command you, that it may be well with you.LXX

 

[BeyondET]

I read it in the Prophets, over and over again, like I showed you... and I'm thinking you didn't look those verses up for yourself. Well, here's one more:

Jeremias 7:1 2 Hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judea. 3 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Correct your ways and your devices, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4 Trust not in yourselves with lying words, for they shall not profit you at all, saying, It is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord. ...
22 For I spoke not to your fathers, and commanded them not in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice: 23 but I commanded them this thing, saying, Hear ye My voice, and I will be to you a God, and ye shall be to Me a people: and walk ye in all My ways which I shall command you, that it may be well with you.LXX

So do you think God was totally against burnt offerings sacrifices in the OT.

 

[Ligurian]

I don't accept history's legendary version of Noah, nor that they had nukes. Whatever happened at Sodom did effect Mesopotamia, because the winds carried a cloud east and turned Iraq into a desert. It was once heavily wooded, so much, that it was hard to get through. Now it is a desert. You can read Akkadian tablets for that history.

You do not have to accept mythology at all.

I don't accept what the Akkadians took from the Sumerians and rewrote. Especially since there was a whole lot of spell-casting going on in those texts. I might not be down with killing witches, but I'd be condemned if I gave them a hearing.

 

[Ligurian]

So do you think God was totally against burnt offerings sacrifices in the OT.

Yep.

 

[BeyondET]

Yep.

Then what are we to understand in Exodus 20:24

You are to make for Me an altar of earth, and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and peace offerings, your sheep and goats and cattle. In every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you.