The Marks of Cain in the Land of Wandering

[Ligurian]

The Marks of Cain in the Land of Wandering

"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod(wandering, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch(initiated). And unto Enoch was born Irad(fugitive): and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and [have] cattle. And his brother's name [was] Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain [was] Naamah."--Gen.4, KJV

They dwelt in the Land of Wandering, dwell in tents and [have] cattle, handle the harp and organ, are instructers of every artificer in brass and iron.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

All of Cain was destroyed in the flood of Noah's day.

 

[Ligurian]

All of Cain was destroyed in the flood of Noah's day.

Did God send Cain off on a spaceship, in order to drive him off the face of the earth?

Gen.4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Gen.7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Or did the term off the face of the earth only apply to what the ancients knew as the inhabited earth? Most historians will tell you that their little corner of inhabited earth is what the ancients considered the whole world.

And... Jesus would never have condemned the Pharisees for the crime they never committed. Prophecies cannot be broken when they are spoken by the Son of God. All of the Pharisees are guilty (according to Mat.23) of killing Abel... Therefore, Pharisees are the descendants of Cain.

"We find traces of an antediluvian, Tatar or Turanian population throughout Asia. It is not long since historians and ethnologists first noted the monumental and linguistic evidences of an older Hamitic stratum underlying the recognized Semitic civilizations of Babylonia and Assyria, and even of Canaan and Phoenicia. Now they inform us that unmistakable traces remain of a wide-spread Turanian stratum of people, still older than the first Hamitic settlements. Prichard says: "The Allophyllian nations appear to have been spread, in the earliest times, through all the most remote regions of the old continent to the northward, eastward and westward of the Indo-European tribes, whom they seem everywhere to have preceded; so that they appear, in comparison with these Indo-European colonies, in the light of aboriginal or native inhabitants, vanquished, and often banished into remote and inaccessible tracts by more powerful invading tribes."--M'Causland, Preadamites

"M. Reclus remarks that, not only did the Turanians teach their neighbours the use of iron and other metals, but they have the glory of having given to us most of our domestic animals, and probably also the greater part of our most useful cultured plants."--Wake, Serpent-Worship and other essays, Ch. The Descendants of Cain

"For wherever tribes of the three Biblical races came, they mostly found Turanian populations who had preceded them."--Ragosin, Chaldea From the Earliest Times
The Project Gutenberg eBook of Chaldea, by Zénaïde A. Ragozin

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Did God send Cain off on a spaceship, in order to drive him off the face of the earth?

Gen.4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Gen.7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Or did the term off the face of the earth only apply to what the ancients knew as the inhabited earth? Most historians will tell you that their little corner of inhabited earth is what the ancients considered the whole world.

And... Jesus would never have condemned the Pharisees for the crime they never committed. Prophecies cannot be broken when they are spoken by the Son of God. All of the Pharisees are guilty (according to Mat.23) of killing Abel... Therefore, Pharisees are the descendants of Cain.

"We find traces of an antediluvian, Tatar or Turanian population throughout Asia. It is not long since historians and ethnologists first noted the monumental and linguistic evidences of an older Hamitic stratum underlying the recognized Semitic civilizations of Babylonia and Assyria, and even of Canaan and Phoenicia. Now they inform us that unmistakable traces remain of a wide-spread Turanian stratum of people, still older than the first Hamitic settlements. Prichard says: "The Allophyllian nations appear to have been spread, in the earliest times, through all the most remote regions of the old continent to the northward, eastward and westward of the Indo-European tribes, whom they seem everywhere to have preceded; so that they appear, in comparison with these Indo-European colonies, in the light of aboriginal or native inhabitants, vanquished, and often banished into remote and inaccessible tracts by more powerful invading tribes."--M'Causland, Preadamites

"M. Reclus remarks that, not only did the Turanians teach their neighbours the use of iron and other metals, but they have the glory of having given to us most of our domestic animals, and probably also the greater part of our most useful cultured plants."--Wake, Serpent-Worship and other essays, Ch. The Descendants of Cain

"For wherever tribes of the three Biblical races came, they mostly found Turanian populations who had preceded them."--Ragosin, Chaldea From the Earliest Times
The Project Gutenberg eBook of Chaldea, by Zénaïde A. Ragozin

So you are saying that more than eight survived the flood? That is not written in scripture.

 

[BeyondET]

I think when it is saying face of earth is not pointing to earth as a whole but the face of it meaning Eden. the place where The face of God was on earth. Cain was driven out of Eden thus why it says he went east of Eden.

what do you mean by marks

 

[Ligurian]

So you are saying that more than eight survived the flood? That is not written in scripture.

Gen.5:1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam.

You're attempting to apply "the generations of Adam" to the whole world. One people with their own Bible didn't take it upon themselves to write what happened to other people on the other side of the world.

And if you want to contest that fact... riddle me this: Incest is forbidden, period. It didn't become forbidden only because the law was written down. God doesn't set about to break His own laws. But you would have to assume that He had, if you thought the Bible of Adam pertained to all races upon the earth, wouldn't you?

Nevertheless, 'Be fruitful and multiply' doesn't mean go make two-headed babies with all your immediate family members. And serpents can't talk, just in case you're wondering. The serpent was an enchanter, not a real serpent. So... obviously, since God didn't create a spaceship to send Cain off the face of the earth... there must have been other people living here before Adam was created... wherever he was really created.

There are different schools of thought as to who spoke Hebrew and who didn't. The Amurru/Amorites spoke Hebrew. They had near relatives that were also white people (gasp) living in Palestine who were called the Horites... because the name itself means white. These Horites are said to be the Hurrians. The Amorites have Hammurabi's Code etc., and of course Ugarit, the Hurrians have the Nuzi Social Documents. Sayce says Aram Nahraim is the Mitanni kingdom, aka Hurrian land.

"The Amorites, on the contrary, were a tall and handsome people. They are depicted with white skins, blue eyes, and reddish hair, all the characteristics, in fact, of the white race. Mr. Petrie points out their resemblance to the Dardanians of Asia Minor"--Sayce, The Hittites (see also the White Race of Palestine)

We know for a fact that both Sumerian and Akkadian were Turanian languages... although wiki seems unable to admit it. Nowadays, they explain away the semitic languages in Babylon by calling that place Chaldean... even though the Amorites were in and out of there a few times. If I had to guess, I'd say Urartu of the god Khaldi is what was meant by Ur of the Chaldees.

 

[BeyondET]

quite a bit of different folks, got my ites spinning lol.

Ludites, the Anamites, the Lehabites, the Naphtuhites, the Pathrusites, the Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came), and the Caphtorites. Hittites, the Jebusites, the Amorites, the Girgashites, the Hivites, the Arkites, the Sinites, the Arvadites, the Zemarites, and the Hamathites.

 

[Ligurian]

I think when it is saying face of earth is not pointing to earth as a whole but the face of it meaning Eden. the place where The face of God was on earth. Cain was driven out of Eden thus why it says he went east of Eden.

what do you mean by marks

The marks of Cain's grandsons are what I mean. Since we don't know what 'the mark of Cain' might have been... other than speculation... we have to see what are the characteristics of Cain from the description given to those three sons of his. They are Nomads from what appears to be some part of the steppes, and musical instrument makers, and metallurgists. A lot like gipsies, in other words. Early on, the Hittite must have caught the metallurgy-gene because he's the go-to-guy in the near east... supplying Egypt, and maybe even the Philistines who had iron weapons. But then, Sayce says the Hittites were Mongols... which would've made them Cain, straight up.

 

[BeyondET]

The marks of Cain's grandsons are what I mean. Since we don't know what 'the mark of Cain' might have been... other than speculation... we have to see what are the characteristics of Cain from the description given to those three sons of his. They are Nomads from what appears to be some part of the steppes, and musical instrument makers, and metallurgists. A lot like gipsies, in other words. Early on, the Hittite must have caught the metallurgy-gene because he's the go-to-guy in the near east... supplying Egypt, and maybe even the Philistines who had iron weapons. But then, Sayce says the Hittites were Mongols... which would've made them Cain, straight up.

Only Cain was marked not to kill by any man, Lamech boasted about it mocked it, got back to Adam n Eve and they wounded up at the tree.

i know that many will not look at it that way but regardless God isn't going to let Cain's descendants go around killing people because Cain was marked for no man to kill him.

 

[Ligurian]

quite a bit of different folks, got my ites spinning lol.

Ludites, the Anamites, the Lehabites, the Naphtuhites, the Pathrusites, the Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came), and the Caphtorites. Hittites, the Jebusites, the Amorites, the Girgashites, the Hivites, the Arkites, the Sinites, the Arvadites, the Zemarites, and the Hamathites.

Yeah... that's the thing to watch out for isn't it? Jesus says He speaks the Law the Father gave to Him... and tells us not to kill... no eye for an eye, etc. Jesus quotes the 10 commandments when He tells that guy how to enter into life... thou shalt not kill is one of them. Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you... not kill everything that breathes. The Prophets echo these statements, saying God wants to be merciful to you, He doesn't want your burnt offerings with which you buy your way out of trouble. Isaiah 1 starts off with this saying, and gets to Chapter 65, saying they have chosen their own ways... and that He will call His servants by another name. Chapter 66 puts the nail in that coffin, saying He will choose their delusions and bring their fears upon them. Isaiah is all given to/about Jerusalem of the house of Judah. Chapter 65 is a must read. Because it's not Israel of the 10-northern-tribes that's in trouble and getting replaced, it's Judah.

 

[Ligurian]

Only Cain was marked not to kill by any man, Lamech boasted about it mocked it, got back to Adam n Eve and they wounded up at the tree.

i know that many will not look at it that way but regardless God isn't going to let Cain's descendants go around killing people because Cain was marked for no man to kill him.

Then you must think Jesus was kidding about that prophecy of Matt.23 which has them accused of murdering Abel via their ancestors, just as they were guilty of killing the prophets via their ancestors. Jesus says those same people are going to be pounded into powder for killing/rejecting Him in Matt.21. Daniel pretty much tells us that the Pharisees are these people, when he matches Matt.21 perfectly... this is the beast in fact.

Essentially, the Mark of Cain = Murderer. That Mark of Cain makes him (by his murder), and his progeny (by their murders), all murderers from the beginning. This is not the only place we see this language being used, because Jesus is very straight-forward in John.8.

Yeah, I do see God letting this happen. Because God doesn't use good people to be the "rod of man". He picks the best bad guy on the planet, every time. And it has to be the same people, each and every time, since the Pharisees are called guilty of all the bloodshed. And God must have let them do that, too... since Jesus sure knew all about them and what they'd been up to.
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[If we learn nothing more than who the enemies of Jesus are by His language to the people He so obviously came here specifically in order to blame, we have won our white robes. And if we keep His commandments and do not deny His authority, we are home free and fully clothed. There's a reason why Rev.2:9 & Rev.3:9 are mentioning the same people. The question is, do we believe Jesus.]

 

[BeyondET]

Then you must think Jesus was kidding about that prophecy of Matt.23 which has them accused of murdering Abel via their ancestors, just as they were guilty of killing the prophets via their ancestors. Jesus says those same people are going to be pounded into powder for killing/rejecting Him in Matt.21. Daniel pretty much tells us that the Pharisees are these people, when he matches Matt.21 perfectly... this is the beast in fact.

Essentially, the Mark of Cain = Murderer. That Mark of Cain makes him (by his murder), and his progeny (by their murders), all murderers from the beginning. This is not the only place we see this language being used, because Jesus is very straight-forward in John.8.

Yeah, I do see God letting this happen. Because God doesn't use good people to be the "rod of man". He picks the best bad guy on the planet, every time. And it has to be the same people, each and every time, since the Pharisees are called guilty of all the bloodshed. And God must have let them do that, too... since Jesus sure knew all about them and what they'd been up to.
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[If we learn nothing more than who the enemies of Jesus are by His language to the people He so obviously came here specifically in order to blame, we have won our white robes. And if we keep His commandments and do not deny His authority, we are home free and fully clothed. There's a reason why Rev.2:9 & Rev.3:9 are mentioning the same people. The question is, do we believe Jesus.]

I agree Cain was the first to kill, but God didn’t sentence him to die at that time, once Adam and Eve sinned death entered by sin

 

[disciple Clint]

Gen.5:1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam.

You're attempting to apply "the generations of Adam" to the whole world. One people with their own Bible didn't take it upon themselves to write what happened to other people on the other side of the world.

And if you want to contest that fact... riddle me this: Incest is forbidden, period. It didn't become forbidden only because the law was written down. God doesn't set about to break His own laws. But you would have to assume that He had, if you thought the Bible of Adam pertained to all races upon the earth, wouldn't you?

Nevertheless, 'Be fruitful and multiply' doesn't mean go make two-headed babies with all your immediate family members. And serpents can't talk, just in case you're wondering. The serpent was an enchanter, not a real serpent. So... obviously, since God didn't create a spaceship to send Cain off the face of the earth... there must have been other people living here before Adam was created... wherever he was really created.

There are different schools of thought as to who spoke Hebrew and who didn't. The Amurru/Amorites spoke Hebrew. They had near relatives that were also white people (gasp) living in Palestine who were called the Horites... because the name itself means white. These Horites are said to be the Hurrians. The Amorites have Hammurabi's Code etc., and of course Ugarit, the Hurrians have the Nuzi Social Documents. Sayce says Aram Nahraim is the Mitanni kingdom, aka Hurrian land.

"The Amorites, on the contrary, were a tall and handsome people. They are depicted with white skins, blue eyes, and reddish hair, all the characteristics, in fact, of the white race. Mr. Petrie points out their resemblance to the Dardanians of Asia Minor"--Sayce, The Hittites (see also the White Race of Palestine)

We know for a fact that both Sumerian and Akkadian were Turanian languages... although wiki seems unable to admit it. Nowadays, they explain away the semitic languages in Babylon by calling that place Chaldean... even though the Amorites were in and out of there a few times. If I had to guess, I'd say Urartu of the god Khaldi is what was meant by Ur of the Chaldees.

interesting what do you base all that on?

 

[Ligurian]

I agree Cain was the first to kill, but God didn’t sentence him to die at that time, once Adam and Eve sinned death entered by sin

Does it seem odd to you that Jesus defeats Death and Satan pretty much at the same time? It's like the seed of the woman crushed the head of the serpent... by defeating death... like Satan is Death that rides the pale horse. In Isa.28 Judah/Jerusalem is told that she has made a covenant with Death and with hell is in accord... isn't Death some sort of creature?

Greek Legend says Death is Thanatos:

"And there the children of dark Night have their dwellings, Sleep and Death, awful gods. The glowing Sun never looks upon them with his beams, neither as he goes up into heaven, nor as he comes down from heaven. And the former of them roams peacefully over the earth and the sea's broad back and is kindly to men; but the other has a heart of iron, and his spirit within him is pitiless as bronze: whomsoever of men he has once seized he holds fast: and he is hateful even to the deathless gods."-Hesiod, Theogany

This matches the saying about God punishing Bel in Babylon... taking back from Baal that which he swallowed and will not release. Baal is Cronus in Greek Legend, who is said to have swallowed down his children, and is defeated by Zeus, his last-born. And of course, Cronus is Saturn, the god of Babylon.

In Isa.28, the covenant seems to be an accord that will keep the overflowing scourge from killing them. Which makes the overflowing scourge things performed by... Death, riding the pale horse in Rev.6. Which makes the red horse the first beast and the black horse the second beast. Since the "yoke" of Jesus which is easy is the same Greek word as a "pair of balances" in the hand of the black horse rider... his "pair of balances" must be very heavy indeed... and must speak to the service/burden which the "Key of David"(Isa.22) has already cut off, pictured in Matt.23's verses of the traditions/doctrines of the Pharisees. In other words, the Pharisees will act like Solomon's son did, and make Solomon's temple-taxation even heavier... which had the Israelites telling Judah to feed itself. (This is the sort of thing that will have to happen for the world to hate the woman, devour her substance, and burn her with fire.) ... And that Key of David in the Hand of the Risen Lord... this is why Satan is still accusing the saints. Not for any of the Laws that Jesus spoke to us, but for the things that were added by those who have "chosen their own ways" (Isa.65-66)... as though those things belong in the Bible, even when Jesus and the Prophets say they don't. (I have to think that Kabbalah and Zohar and Talmud fit in here, along with the burnt offerings that delight not God.)

 

[Ligurian]

[...]
Nevertheless, 'Be fruitful and multiply' doesn't mean go make two-headed babies with all your immediate family members. And serpents can't talk, just in case you're wondering. The serpent was an enchanter, not a real serpent. So... obviously, since God didn't create a spaceship to send Cain off the face of the earth... there must have been other people living here before Adam was created... wherever he was really created.

Gen3:1... serpent: a primitive root; properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate:--X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.

There are different schools of thought as to who spoke Hebrew and who didn't. The Amurru/Amorites spoke Hebrew. They had near relatives that were also white people (gasp) living in Palestine who were called the Horites... because the name itself means white. These Horites are said to be the Hurrians. The Amorites have Hammurabi's Code etc., and of course Ugarit, the Hurrians have the Nuzi Social Documents. Sayce says Aram Nahraim is the Mitanni kingdom, aka Hurrian land.

Clay, Amurru: Home Of The Northern Semites

"It is possible that a reference to the blond Amorite race is to be found in the Old Testament. The word {...} in Hebrew means 'white bread' from a root which signifies 'to be white.' and the most natural way of explaining the name of the Horim or Horites. the predecessors of the Edomites in the mountains of Seir, is that it signifies 'the Blonds.'
-- Sayce, The Races of The Old Testament

"The kings of the Eighteenth Egyptian Dynasty had been brought by their conquest of Canaan and Syria into contact with the kingdom of Nahrina or Mitanni, the Aram-Naharaim of the Old Testament."--Sayce, Races of the Old Testament

"The Amorites, on the contrary, were a tall and handsome people. They are depicted with white skins, blue eyes, and reddish hair, all the characteristics, in fact, of the white race. Mr. Petrie points out their resemblance to the Dardanians of Asia Minor"--Sayce, The Hittites

"Some years ago, Osburn, a careful observer, had noticed that in the sculptures of Ramses II. at Abu-Simbel “the Shasu of Kanana” were depicted with blue eyes, and red hair, eyebrows, and beard, and the Amaur with “the eyes blue, the eyebrows and beard red.”
--Sayce, the White Race of Palestine

We know for a fact that both Sumerian and Akkadian were Turanian languages... although wiki seems unable to admit it. Nowadays, they explain away the semitic languages in Babylon by calling that place Chaldean... even though the Amorites were in and out of there a few times. If I had to guess, I'd say Urartu of the god Khaldi is what was meant by Ur of the Chaldees.

"Mr. Fergusson {Tree * and Serpent Worship}, in accordance with his peculiar theory as to the origin of serpent-worship, thinks that this superstition characterised the old Turanian (or let us rather say Akkadian) empire of Chaldea, while tree-worship was more a characteristic of the later Assyrian Empire."--Wake, Serpent-Worship

interesting what do you base all that on?

Wow, really? I've gotten all of it from an Internet full of books. Which parts do you need references for? All of it? Well... I've added in blue a few references, on the post to which you've replied. Let me know what more you need, and I'll do what I can.
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That Tree * Worship thing of Fergusson ... wasn't always what it seemed to be to some of the old writers. The Pelasgians had trees where they "heard from God" via the doves which roosted there. These days, we'd say the Holy Spirit was a dove that lit upon Jesus... but we probably don't think Jesus carried a dove around.

 

[BeyondET]

Greek Legend says Death is Thanatos:

" And the former of them roams peacefully over the earth and the sea's broad back and is kindly to men;

but the other has a heart of iron, and his spirit within him is pitiless as bronze: whomsoever of men he has once seized he holds fast: and he is hateful even to the deathless gods."-Hesiod, Theogany

Second half of the portion I quoted seems similar to gen 4

22And Zillah gave birth to Tubal-cain, a forger of every implement of bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

Cain’s descendant Lamech mocking the protection the mark holding fast.

24If Cain is avenged sevenfold then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”

 

[Ligurian]

Second half of the portion I quoted seems similar to gen 4

22And Zillah gave birth to Tubal-cain, a forger of every implement of bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

Cain’s descendant Lamech mocking the protection the mark holding fast.

24If Cain is avenged sevenfold then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”

Seems like people don't want to belive that anyone else could have known the nature of God. One even calls Greek History the work of Satan. Only someone who's never read it would ever think that, much less say it where it will come back to haunt them if the whole truth hits the streets.

And those verses also reminded me of the same thing they did you... this is how Bible Study goes, in my experience. Connections are made. If Cain's known to be a murderer, people would of course avoid him at all costs. Especially when the son is 10 times worse than dear old dad.
So... we see the same thing happening with Solomon wringing the people dry, and then that brat of his salting the land. It amazes me that people think Solomon's the one God wanted to build a house for His name. If David, the man after God's own heart couldn't build it, no human can. Certainly not the people who had Jezebel in their back pocket.

2Sam.7:14 I will be His Father, and He shall be My Son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Isa.53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed.

 

[BeyondET]

I was reading 1 kings chap 5 :17 about the reason Solomon said not able to build it because of wars haven’t studied much on it yet.

 

[BeyondET]

Huh what why such vast accounts now that is odd.

1 kings 5
Cat version

17
“You know that David my father, because of the wars that beset him, could not build a house for the name of the LORD his God until such time as the LORD should put his enemies under the soles of his feet.

Basically the rest

17
And the king commanded them to quarry large, costly stones to lay the foundation of the temple with dressed stones.

 

[BeyondET]

Chronicles has David suppling every thing Solomon finishes.

2 chronicles 7
1When Solomon had finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple. 2The priests were unable to enter the house of the LORD, because the glory of the LORD had filled it.