the mark

[dogs4thewin]

Many people are saying that the Obamacare with the law about a chip is the mark of the beast, however how can that be true if one they would have to make people accept them ( people may not want the chips), but also how will other people be given the mark of the beast if it only applies to Americans?

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Many people are saying that the Obamacare with the law about a chip is the mark of the beast, however how can that be true if one they would have to make people accept them ( people may not want the chips), but also how will other people be given the mark of the beast if it only applies to Americans?

I think you'll find that this one is one of those internet conspiracies which, after some research, is found out to be false. The microchip is not manditory, but there is something about it being a possible thing to be used by doctors. As you have observed, it is only in the US, and so cannot be the mark of the beast.
I don't believe in the mark of the beast, i think it is just a myth, same as the antichrist. There are people who think that Obama is the antichrist, I would agree that Obama is a very creepy person, but i do not believe in the antichrist myth.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I think you'll find that this one is one of those internet conspiracies which, after some research, is found out to be false. The microchip is not manditory, but there is something about it being a possible thing to be used by doctors. As you have observed, it is only in the US, and so cannot be the mark of the beast.
I don't believe in the mark of the beast, i think it is just a myth, same as the antichrist. There are people who think that Obama is the antichrist, I would agree that Obama is a very creepy person, but i do not believe in the antichrist myth.

The Anti-Christ and mark of the beast is mentioned in the Bible, however I do NOT believe Obama-Care is not it.

 

[pgp_protector]

The Anti-Christ and mark of the beast is mentioned in the Bible, however I do NOT believe Obama-Care is not it.

So are you saying he is it? (Double negatives can be confusing)

 

[dogs4thewin]

I do not believe that Obama care is the mark.

 

[HEsTiLLALiVe]

Obama-care possibly could be the mark, because the scriptures teach no man may buy or sell, so if it is introduced like that, you know what not to do. So it could be or not, but we won't know until. Be blessed and Shalom.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

The Anti-Christ and mark of the beast is mentioned in the Bible, however I do NOT believe Obama-Care is not it.

The antichrist is only mentioned in the letters of John and that is to refute the belief. The mark is only mentioned in Rev. and that was supposed to happen quickly, back 2000 years ago, so I don't believe it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The antichrist is only mentioned in the letters of John and that is to refute the belief. The mark is only mentioned in Rev. and that was supposed to happen quickly, back 2000 years ago, so I don't believe it.

so what proof do you have that it was going to happen soon after the book was written?

 

[zeke37]

silly.....

we can have the mark for either God or for Satan, and it is based on what you believe and do

and the first commandment is referenced...

so it's about who or Who you worship
Satan or God

the mark of God (again, described the same way/same places as he mark of the beast)
is referenced in Ex13/Deut6 and Deu11 to name a few places,
and it was not a piece of technology back then...

it is not literal...

the beast system that is coming, is going to be world wide, and will control the economics
so unless you are a part of the beast system, and accept it, you can't buy and sell anything legally.

that said, the money system that is coming does not have to be a chip.
It can include a chip, but will not be limited to a chip.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

so what proof do you have that it was going to happen soon after the book was written?

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

That's just one quote, the whole book says that Jesus is coming quickly, and that was 2000 years ago, that aint quick in my book. Jesus didn't come quickly, so that makes it a false prophesy, in the plain understanding of quick, soon, shorty etc. People say that quick dosn't mean quick to God, but the book of Rev isn't written to inform God, it is supposed to be written to inform ordinary humans, and so soon should mean soon and not thousands of years in the future.

 

[dogs4thewin]

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

That's just one quote, the whole book says that Jesus is coming quickly, and that was 2000 years ago, that aint quick in my book. Jesus didn't come quickly, so that makes it a false prophesy, in the plain understanding of quick, soon, shorty etc. People say that quick dosn't mean quick to God, but the book of Rev isn't written to inform God, it is supposed to be written to inform ordinary humans, and so soon should mean soon and not thousands of years in the future.

none of the Bible was written to inform God it was INSPIRED by God's Spirit, so soon doesn't meet our meaning of soon.

 

[YeShallTread]

Obama-care possibly could be the mark, because the scriptures teach no man may buy or sell, so if it is introduced like that, you know what not to do. So it could be or not, but we won't know until. Be blessed and Shalom.

Revelation 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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To receive a mark in one's forehead is to accept what they teach. It is to be of the same mind set. To receive a mark in one's right hand is to work for him, in this case, to promote his false religion.


To buy and sell "things" is not the subject. Famine in the end of days, which could well be TODAY, is for hearing the word of the Lord. Are we given eyes to see and ears to hear? Not all are.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
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The buying and selling done by those with the mark speaks of the souls of man for they are sold into idolatry, they are deceived.

Revelation 18:10-13 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
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The merchandise that will no longer be bought and sold by deceivers speaks of people. We are figurative "sheep, gold, silver, precious stones, wheat and souls of men." When the spiritual great city is destroyed that time ends. The millennium begins.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

none of the Bible was written to inform God it was INSPIRED by God's Spirit, so soon doesn't meet our meaning of soon.

yeah yeah, soon dosn't mean soon, coming quickly means coming thousands of years in the future, or never. It's no good arguing on forums, as people will believe what they believe, come what may.

 

[Messy]

Debunked: Obamacare RFID Chip Implant Law Hoax | Why Americans Are Dumb
I never heard of it until today. They can even use it for paying debts. Regardless who is the antichrist, this can be used, because the he will become a world leader. Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

 

[zeke37]

that's tattoos and markings of a religious nature...
for the worship and promotion of "other gods"

it's forbidden to us (them back then)....

but I have a huge cross on my right arm....
tattoo from when I was young and stupid,
but I was still a believer way back then....just an ignorant one.

so the rule has reasons behind it,...
but tattoos are not connected to the AC's mark of the beast.

 

[zeke37]

yeah yeah, soon dosn't mean soon, coming quickly means coming thousands of years in the future, or never. It's no good arguing on forums, as people will believe what they believe, come what may.

that type of wording, soon, is used even in Rev1....
it is used of His Coming, and we know that His Coming did not happen yet.
so whatever "soon" means, it is not "soon" as we know it.

God's redemptive plan has been going on for a long time now.....real long....
way before Adam even....

so perhaps a couple thousand years is soon to God

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

that type of wording, soon, is used even in Rev1....
it is used of His Coming, and we know that His Coming did not happen yet.
so whatever "soon" means, it is not "soon" as we know it.

God's redemptive plan has been going on for a long time now.....real long....
way before Adam even....

so perhaps a couple thousand years is soon to God

yeah, but like I said, it's not soon to us; humans who read the text. what's the point of having language if it dosn't mean anything?
there's more to it than that, but i feel like a bad apple in the barrel these days, so i wont say anything more.

 

[Messy]

yeah, but like I said, it's not soon to us; humans who read the text. what's the point of having language if it dosn't mean anything?
there's more to it than that, but i feel like a bad apple in the barrel these days, so i wont say anything more.

It's soon for Him. But there are more texts about it. On the third day He would raise us and a day is for the Lord like 1000 years. And He created everything in 6 days and rested on the seventh. Now 6000 years have almost past, after that comes 1000 years of His peace . And it's almost 2000 years since Jesus was resurrected, so I don't think it will take another thousand years.

 

[emkei]

can't it spread worldwide?