The Manipulated Man.

[Autumnleaf]

I recently read this book and it suggests that many women manipulate men into supporting them. Has anyone else been exposed to this and its moral implications?

 

[jcook922]

I recently read this book and it suggests that many women manipulate men into supporting them. Has anyone else been exposed to this and its moral implications?

Oooh, counter-thread to feminism.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

A good husband supports his family and his wife unconditionally. The reason why we have so many dead beat fathers and dads is because society looks down on the husband supporting the wife and children and being the main provider in the family.

However a wife who uses her husband and spends money on wordly things like jewerly, cars and shopping is a totally different story. WOmen who use their husbands as money banks are no different than prostitutes because marriages like that are always centered around money and worldy possessions and thus have a conditional element to it. These types of marriages tend to happen more in liberal states like California and New York where marriage roles are skewed and distorted and the wives tend to be more abrasive, immoral, manipulative and worldly. In these types of marriages there is extreme manipulation on both parts of the partys..

Phillis Schlafly is a great author that talks about things that are similar and exposes the radical feminist movement. Some of the things you find out are mind boggling. I suggest you read some of her books..

 

[Autumnleaf]

A good husband supports his family and his wife unconditionally. The reason why we have so many dead beat fathers and dads is because society looks down on the husband supporting the wife and children and being the main provider in the family.

However a wife who uses her husband and spends money on wordly things like jewerly, cars and shopping is a totally different story. WOmen who use their husbands as money banks are no different than prostitutes because marriages like that are always centered around money and worldy possessions and thus have a conditional element to it. These types of marriages tend to happen more in liberal states like California and New York where marriage roles are skewed and distorted and the wives tend to be more abrasive, immoral, manipulative and worldly. In these types of marriages there is extreme manipulation on both parts of the partys..

Phillis Schlafly is a great author that talks about things that are similar and exposes the radical feminist movement. Some of the things you find out are mind boggling. I suggest you read some of her books..

After reading this book I'm ready to divorce my wife. I'm not sure what else I can take...

 

[cantata]

I recently read this book and it suggests that many women manipulate men into supporting them. Has anyone else been exposed to this and its moral implications?

I guess it's what you should expect if you tell women that they have to get married and make babies, or they'll have failed as human beings.

 

[JadeTigress]

I must not be a woman, then. I don't need a man to support me. Once I'm done with school, I'll be making a very nice chunk of money. Unless whomever I happen to marry (if I marry) has a crazy good job, I'll almost certainly be the breadwinner.

 

[B'alaam]

After reading this book I'm ready to divorce my wife. I'm not sure what else I can take...

You are *not* serious are you?
Please tell me you are blatantly joking and it just went over my head.

Please please reply and tell me you didn't just say that with any degree of seriousness

 

[jcook922]

You are *not* serious are you?
Please tell me you are blatantly joking and it just went over my head.

Please please reply and tell me you didn't just say that with any degree of seriousness

Who knows? He might be in an abusive and horrible situation.

 

[Braunwyn]

I recently read this book and it suggests that many women manipulate men into supporting them. Has anyone else been exposed to this and its moral implications?

I willingly support my husband so no, I don't feel I've been manipulated into doing so. We both knew what we were getting into when we decided to marry. People that find themselves married to people they don't know very well, which seems all too common, are definately sad to hear about.

After reading this book I'm ready to divorce my wife. I'm not sure what else I can take...

I had a call from a friend yesterday and she shared that she was thinking of leaving her husband as well. He doesn't work, go to school, or make any move to improve on himself as a person. She makes good money but it's tough out there. As I advised her, try marriage counseling, try anything different (that would be productive for the marriage) from what you're doing now since what you have been doing isn't working. You both made a commitment for better or worse and she is your responsibility as you are hers. If my husband steered off track I would exhaust all efforts before thinking about divorce. At the same time I let him know before we married that while my love for him may be unconditional, our relationship was not.

 

[B'alaam]

Who knows? He might be in an abusive and horrible situation.

Well that may be true, in which case I wouldn't blame him for getting a divorce.
But that's not what he said, not even close.
He attributed reading a book (The Manipulated Man) to his thoughts of divorce
He said-
I recently read this book and it suggests that many women manipulate men into supporting them
and then
After reading this book I'm ready to divorce my wife. I'm not sure what else I can take...

Based on a book?
Thats like saying "Im thinking about getting a divorce because I read the Bible"

That's why I think he was joking.
Of course, if his marriage is frail enough to fall apart based on a book he read, then there's probably no hope for it anyway

 

[CreedIsChrist]

After reading this book I'm ready to divorce my wife. I'm not sure what else I can take...

Don't do anything rash like that. What exactly is making you unhappy? If you feel shes manipulating you, tell her that. Its good to tell her. Give some more specifics.

This is what I found out on the book. Its only 155 pages it looks like


The Manipulated Man


Product Description
Esther Vilar's classic polemic about the relationship between the sexes caused a sensation. Vilar's perceptive and often very funny look at the battle between the sexes has earned her death threats. But Vilar's intention is not misogynous: she maintains that only if women and men look at their place in society with honesty, will there be any hope for change.


"Ms. Vilar in her book The Manipulated Man unlocks this secret and explains the reasons behind how women have attained such passive control over men and society in general. She delves into how women use the power of their sexuality to control men and why this same power does not work with other women. So great is this power that it evokes both admiration and contempt from other women.

Its a shocking piece of work that turns all social norms men have grown up with on their heads. As the title of my review states this book is not for everyone. Many men are perfectly happy living with the illusion about women that has been created by society and proliferated in their own minds. But if you are ready to look beyond this illusion to the truth give The Manipulated Man a read. My only criticism with the book is that Ms. Vilar goes to extremes to paint women in a very negative light. I suspect this was done for rhetorical and controversial effect.

Be warned however that after reading this book you will view women and their behavior very differently. The bating of the eyes, pursing of the lips, and soft speaking voice that you once found cute and innocent will now take on a whole different meaning - Is she trying to manipulate me? "



"This should be the "Feminist Manifesto" because it IS what feminism should have been about all along. Within the last half-century men have not oppressed women. Women oppressed women through simply being themselves; greedy, opportunistic, vane, envious and manipulative victimologists. To think this writing would be "anti-women's rights" is exactly what is wrong with the modern feminist ideology. This is in part a sociological study on the conditioning of boys and girls. Girls learn very early what feminine power is and how to wield it to their advantage. They simply stop thinking because being sexy and pretty has far greater and immediate benefits. Both men and women enable their daughter's behavior to be the princess, the husband hunter, the beautiful and helpless ne'r-do-well.

I always wondered why it was impossible to find my female intellectual match. I've met so many uninformed stupid women! And now, thanks to EEOE quotas and "grrl power" in the ranks, men have to dumb down to her level in the workplace, come home and do the same thing with their wives. There's no break for him. Men and women have two completly differing agendas. Is it any wonder there is a war between the genders?

"Feminine Mystique" is a myth they want men to believe. The secret is, there is no secret. This lays out the female agenda in a raw and brutal way. Women think this is nothing but a betrayal from their own kind, hence the ironically violent threats against the author's life.

Look around you right now and ask yourself how many things you see were invented by a woman. EXACTLY! It's not because men oppress women, by not allowing them to learn and think OR because women are inherently less intelligent than men. It's because being a woman is an act in and of itself that requires great focus and study. Perfecting make-up, hair and what color shoes goes with what outfit takes it's toll on our girls. Being a man takes less effort so our priorities are different. One has only to compare the content of the latest issues of Cosmopolitan and Playboy Magazines to understand each sex's culture and priorities.

I give this 4 stars because it is a bit dated and some of her points are a stretch, but overall the theorys are as fresh today as they were in 1971, which says something. It's only gotten worse, as the author predicted. "


The interesting thing is that is book is not really anti-feminist. In fact there are many very feminist passages in the book. And while I share the general disgust for modern women, I do not have anything against traditional women who do not use their sexuality to get ahead in life or manipulate.

 

[Braunwyn]

Don't do anything rash like that. What exactly is making you unhappy? If you feel shes manipulating you, tell her that. Its good to tell her. Give some more specifics.

This is what I found out on the book. Its only 155 pages it looks like


The Manipulated Man


Product Description
Esther Vilar's classic polemic about the relationship between the sexes caused a sensation. Vilar's perceptive and often very funny look at the battle between the sexes has earned her death threats. But Vilar's intention is not misogynous: she maintains that only if women and men look at their place in society with honesty, will there be any hope for change.



It was written by a woman too. Its interesting because alot of the counter feminist books are written by women who used to be feminists. That tells us something

She writes about the women you love so much though. She doesn't speak of women that are self-reliant. She speaks of women that cannot care for themselves, rely on men and then use men.

 

[jcook922]

Well that may be true, in which case I wouldn't blame him for getting a divorce.
But that's not what he said, not even close.
He attributed reading a book (The Manipulated Man) to his thoughts of divorce
He said-
I recently read this book and it suggests that many women manipulate men into supporting them
and then
After reading this book I'm ready to divorce my wife. I'm not sure what else I can take...

Based on a book?
Thats like saying "Im thinking about getting a divorce because I read the Bible"

That's why I think he was joking.
Of course, if his marriage is frail enough to fall apart based on a book he read, then there's probably no hope for it anyway

I'm just saying maybe it was the straw that broke the camels back, but I don't know his situation.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

She writes about the women you love so much though. She doesn't speak of women that are self-reliant. She speaks of women that cannot care for themselves, rely on men and then use men.

No she writes of women who use sex as power to manipulate men in society. And while the book may be percieved as feminist alot of other feminists apparently hate this women and have sent her death threats. There are counter feminist parts in the book.

 

[PassionFruit]

No she writes of women who use sex as power to manipulate men in society. And while the book may be percieved as feminist alot of other feminists apparently hate this women and have sent her death threats. There are counter feminist parts in the book.

How would you know it was feminists who sent her death threats? Defaming feminists again, I see.

By the way, if you're going to insult feminists, at least have the common courtesy to use decent grammar. There's nothing worse than an anti-feminist who can't spell properly are use decent grammar.

 

[Braunwyn]

No she writes of women who use sex as power to manipulate men in society. And while the book may be percieved as feminist alot of other feminists apparently hate this women and have sent her death threats. There are counter feminist parts in the book.

In chapter one she speaks of a woman needing assistance to change a flat tire. She goes on about the gallant man doing his deed. How it he gets grease all over himself, makes himself late for an appointment, and has to speed (putting his life in jeapordy) because the helpless female gets him to change his tire.

Let me say, feminists don't buy into that type of behavior from women. It's ridiculous. As if she has two broken arms. Women who use sex as power or as anything to get something from a man are certainly not feminists. They are your women CIC and you can keep them.

 

[GQ Chris]

How can some marriages be either complete trainwrecks, or absolutely perfect???

 

[Braunwyn]

How would you know it was feminists who sent her death threats? Defaming feminists again, I see.

By the way, if you're going to insult feminists, at least have the common courtesy to use decent grammar. There's nothing worse than an anti-feminist who can't spell properly are use decent grammar.

I don't see how Esther has anything to do with feminism or anti-feminism. I've only read a bit of her book on the net but I just don't see the correlation.

eta: besides the fact that she likes to use the word without the application of its definition.

 

[PassionFruit]

I don't see how Esther has anything to do with feminism or anti-feminism. I've only read a bit of her book on the net but I just don't see the correlation.

eta: besides the fact that she likes to use the word without the application of its definition.

It doesn't seem she does in a sense. But then again, a lot of people use the word feminism without actually understanding it.

 

[Braunwyn]

It doesn't seem she does in a sense. But then again, a lot of people use the word feminism without actually understanding it.

The fact that she uses the type of women feminists rail against as an argument against feminism is assinine. Doesn't say much for those confused by her rhetoric.