The Manipulated Man.

[jcook922]

In chapter one she speaks of a woman needing assistance to change a flat tire. She goes on about the gallant man doing his deed. How it he gets grease all over himself, makes himself late for an appointment, and has to speed (putting his life in jeapordy) because the helpless female gets him to change his tire.

Let me say, feminists don't buy into that type of behavior from women. It's ridiculous. As if she has two broken arms. Women who use sex as power or as anything to get something from a man are certainly not feminists. They are your women CIC and you can keep them.

You know, not all women know how to change a tire. I always stop on the side of the road, regardless of gender, if it looks like someone needs help. I'd gladly help the woman change her tire, just to do my good deed for the day and feel good about doing something nice for someone.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

In chapter one she speaks of a woman needing assistance to change a flat tire. She goes on about the gallant man doing his deed. How it he gets grease all over himself, makes himself late for an appointment, and has to speed (putting his life in jeapordy) because the helpless female gets him to change his tire.

Let me say, feminists don't buy into that type of behavior from women. It's ridiculous. As if she has two broken arms. Women who use sex as power or as anything to get something from a man are certainly not feminists. They are your women CIC and you can keep them.

Are you telling me its wrong for a man to help a woman who needs help? Me and my wife drove past a woman whos car broke down once and she had a baby. Are you telling me that we should have not helped her because "well women today are strong and equal and don't need help from men anymore". Please. You remind me of those women who get angry when a guy holds the door open for them.


And if feminists don't use sex as power how do you explain people like Hugh Hefner and other industrys many are which controlled and supported by feminists. Or monsterous Godless shows like Sex and the City and Desperate Hellwives that take a feminist pride in using sexuality and manipulation as a way for women to get what they want. Shows in the media to teaching women to be "sexualized" and go out and dress imodestly and have one night stands. It teaches everything God is against and our future generation are watching programs like this. Can you imagine what our next generations attitude on marriage and modesty is gonna be after the liberal media sprouts out this garbage at such an alarming rate? Do you know how many young women take pride and try to act like the characters in Sex and the City and other hellbound shows and seek to emulate such people in real life?

 

[Braunwyn]

Are you telling me its wrong for a man to help a woman who needs help? Me and my wife drove past a woman whos car broke down once and she had a baby. Are you telling me that we should have not helped her because "well women today are strong and equal and don't need help from men anymore". Please. You remind me of those women who get angry when a guy holds the door open for them.

Couldn't you at least pretend to be somewhat read on the authors you comment on? The woman in the story's situation is manipulating. That is the authors position. Perhaps you should pose the question to her though that would mean you were contradicting yourself.

And if feminists don't use sex as power how do you explain people like Hugh Hefner and other industrys many are which controlled and supported by feminists. Or monsterous Godless shows like Sex and the City and Desperate Hellwives that take a feminist pride in using sexuality and manipulation as a way for women to get what they want. Shows in the media to teaching women to be "sexualized" and go out and dress imodestly and have one night stands. It teaches everything God is against and our future generation are watching programs like this. Can you imagine what our next generations attitude on marriage and modesty is gonna be after the liberal media sprouts out this garbage at such an alarming rate? Do you know how many young women take pride and try to act like the characters in Sex and the City and other hellbound shows and seek to emulate such people in real life?

That is what you perceive as feminism. You're wrong. And please, go get yourself educated about the topics that interest you before you decide to form an opinion.

 

[mpok1519]

so what if some women use sex for power; don't we men use our muscle strength for social power and its considered to be normal?

So what if some women know they are hot and use it to their advantage; isn't it men who consistently promote this behavior by rewarding sexually attractive albeit questionable attitudes? Women wouldn't use their sexuality as a tool to get further into the world if men didn't enjoy it so much.

 

[SallyNow]

In chapter one she speaks of a woman needing assistance to change a flat tire. She goes on about the gallant man doing his deed. How it he gets grease all over himself, makes himself late for an appointment, and has to speed (putting his life in jeapordy) because the helpless female gets him to change his tire.

Let me say, feminists don't buy into that type of behavior from women. It's ridiculous. As if she has two broken arms. Women who use sex as power or as anything to get something from a man are certainly not feminists. They are your women CIC and you can keep them.

So, a woman is stuck with a flat tire, something that can happen to either gender. She could call AAA or a friend, but instead some guy pulls over and offers to help. This guy knows he has to be somewhere at a certain time, he knows he has to present himself well, and instead he chooses to help the woman instead of pulling out cellphone and calling Triple A for her.

How exactly it is the woman's fault that the man has Superman Syndrome?

It's not.

People get caught out with flat tires and realize that their cell-phone battery is dead, or their kid borrowed their tireiron, or they have an illness or disability or injury that prevents them from changing the tire. It's not limited to women. Both men and women can get stuck with a flat tire and require assistance. Nice people who have the time to help do so. It's not a gender issue. It's a nice-person-with-time-to-spare issue.

 

[cantata]

In the situation where the man helped out the woman with her tyre - good for him, and good for her. But I sincerely hope he would have stopped for a man, too, and I also hope that women who can change tyres will stop for women and men who seem to need help.

The point of feminism is that people should play to their actual strengths, not the strengths they're told they should have on the basis of their sex. I'd rather be offered help by a woman who knows how to change a tyre than a man who doesn't, for example. The sex of the person offering help is not really important to me.

I believe that any less encumbered person, male or female, would do well to give their seat up for a pregnant woman. I have often offered my seat to an elderly gentleman on the train or bus. If I were carrying a heavy bag, I'd be very grateful if a man gave up his seat for me, but I'd be just as grateful if a woman did so. I do not feel it is required of one sex more than another to be chivalrous. That is part of what it means to be a feminist.

 

[Autumnleaf]

You are *not* serious are you?
Please tell me you are blatantly joking and it just went over my head.

Please please reply and tell me you didn't just say that with any degree of seriousness

At the time I was. Now I'm not. Throughout any day there are times when I feel deep love for my wife and other times where I can't stand her. The reason I started this thread was to drum up discussion about the book. It takes a very cynical view of women which I got some insight from in areas where the author didn't go overboard.

 

[cantata]

At the time I was. Now I'm not. Throughout any day there are times when I feel deep love for my wife and other times where I can't stand her. The reason I started this thread was to drum up discussion about the book. It takes a very cynical view of women which I got some insight from in areas where the author didn't go overboard.

Flipping heck.

 

[SallyNow]

At the time I was. Now I'm not. Throughout any day there are times when I feel deep love for my wife and other times where I can't stand her. The reason I started this thread was to drum up discussion about the book. It takes a very cynical view of women which I got some insight from in areas where the author didn't go overboard.

Perhaps you should read a statistics book on the number of males who kill females. Then, a book on the fact that women lacked the right to own property in many countries until the last two centuries. After that, a book on how female babies are being killed at birth for being female.

Then, ask yourself this question: Why would any woman get married, ever?

 

[Autumnleaf]

Perhaps you should read a statistics book on the number of males who kill females. Then, a book on the fact that women lacked the right to own property in many countries until the last two centuries. After that, a book on how female babies are being killed at birth for being female.

Then, ask yourself this question: Why would any woman get married, ever?

The answer according to the book at the start of the thread is to get 3 hots and a cot for life.

Personally, I think everyone marries for their own reasons.

 

[Athene]

No she writes of women who use sex as power to manipulate men in society. And while the book may be percieved as feminist alot of other feminists apparently hate this women and have sent her death threats. There are counter feminist parts in the book.

Yes, she writes about the sweet submissive gentle wife who has no real authority in her own household and therefore has to resort to manipulation in order to get her own way. Manipulation is the tool of the powerless, the feminist woman has power, she has authority and she knows that her thoughts, feelings and views carry just as much weight as the man standing next to her, the gentle meek submissive wife has no such luxury and in order to get her own way she has to use the only weapon left to her, sex.

 

[Allegory]

I don't get this "a man should provide his family with all their needs" stuff. This isn't the 20th century anymore. To illustrate my point, a recent study was done on salaries coming out of University.

University graduates, on average, make $5 more than they did when graduating in 1980. Not $5000, not $500, $5. And how much has the cost of living gone up since then? My parents bought their first house for like $60,000 in 1980. My first house will cost me well over $200,000.

I'll try to dig up a link for that study if anyone is interested in seeing it. For the time being I'm not going to though.

 

[David Brider]

My girlfriend says that I've never been manipulated by a woman, and I'm allowed to say that here.



David.

 

[Bombila]

At the time I was. Now I'm not. Throughout any day there are times when I feel deep love for my wife and other times where I can't stand her. The reason I started this thread was to drum up discussion about the book. It takes a very cynical view of women which I got some insight from in areas where the author didn't go overboard.

I strongly advise you to analyze why you are feeling this way, and find someone who can help you figure it out if you can't by yourself. I have no idea what kind of marriage you have, or what kind of person your wife is, but if you find yourself developing a love/hate attitude towards her, it is time to look very hard at your relationship, for your wife's sake and for yours. 'Cause that ain't real healthy, IMO.

 

[mpok1519]

women have every right to use their sexuality for their advantage; I'm a man; I am encouraged to become strong and to learn how to shoot a gun, and become a machine for war; women should be encouraged to use their sexually attractiveness to get men to their will.

I am encouraged to become a machine for war (the utilitarian purpose for the male human body; male bodies are not attractive, but utilitarian, useful for doing work and getting around, like a jeep.) and am encouraged to use this to my advantage; women's bodies are beautiful works of art; why should they not be encouraged to use this beauty as a tool as we men use our bodies as a tool with purpose?

 

[Trevorocity]

And now for a different perspective:

Be warned however that after reading this book you will view women and their behavior very differently. The bating of the eyes, pursing of the lips, and soft speaking voice that you once found cute and innocent will now take on a whole different meaning - Is she trying to manipulate me? "

My response:

Pfft! As a gay man I just have to say "Good luck sister". All your feminine-wiles are completely useless against me. As such I'm also able to see right through most manipulation tactics as well. I'm often amused when I see some whipped straight guy being led around by some tramp who has him wrapped around her little finger. Pathetic and weak is what that is. Man up.

 

[B'alaam]

Note, this is nothing more than a comment, not an attempt at derailing the thread. Everyone take it as such

On that note, mpok, for the most part, I disagree with you here-

male bodies are not attractive

And, mpok, for the most part, I agree with you here-

women's bodies are beautiful

That's all

 

[mpok1519]

I word things too strongly. =P

I meant the conventional male body is not attractive; there are more sedans than sports cars on the road. hehe

 

[Trevorocity]

Note, this is nothing more than a comment, not an attempt at derailing the thread. Everyone take it as such

On that note, mpok, for the most part, I disagree with you here-
And, mpok, for the most part, I agree with you here-



That's all

Agreed: the male form is attractive. Partially disagreed: the female form is attractive Only if you consider rediculous bags of chest fat 'sexy'.

 

[B'alaam]

I meant the conventional male body is not attractive; there are more sedans than sports cars on the road. hehe

LMBO!
That pertains to women as well mpok

Agreed: the male form is attractive. Partially disagreed: the female form is attractive Only if you consider rediculous bags of chest fat 'sexy'.

Im more of a leg and face lover myself, not into breasts (yeah, I dont get it either)

Ok, enough derailment?
Back on topic, yes?