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I have no reason to believe he can do either.
According to scripture we've already shown where he can through anti-Christ, or the spirit of anti-Christ.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV)
Times meaning history, and laws meaning scripture. "And they shall be given into his hand" means what???
 
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Experiencing this effect is nothing short of traumatizing. And I'm not simply talking about a logo change here or there. It is my belief that the issue is spiritual, and it is reflected in the Word first (the original logos), and then in the world itself, through signs and symbols (and logos!).

Being worldly is likely the start of the wide vs. narrow path that leads to destruction.

Finding the way back is the key.

Just my two cents.
 
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Here are my notes on this subject, so far. I think I’ve shared them on this forum before, but I’ll put them here in case you haven’t seen them yet.

Also - I came across a fellow who is having computer issues with this “Effect”. Apparently, the names of some of the products he handles have changed, causing problems for his computer program. One of the examples he gave was the “Haas” avocado changing to the “Hass” avocados.

He says his business is spending time and money to respond to customer’s complaints about the computer system failing to recognize a changed product name. Apparently, it can affect shipments, etc.

If I can find that video again, I’ll post a link to it here.

Anyway, here are my notes:


March 8, 2020

THE QUANTUM/MANDELA EFFECT


I’ve always understood that ‘Reality’ is malleable. The miracles we read about in the Bible, and sometimes witness firsthand, are powerful demonstrations of the changeable nature of things.


But if I hadn’t been personally confronted by what we’re calling the ‘Quantum Effect’ (or the ‘Mandela Effect’) I probably wouldn’t believe it to be true.


Partly, that’s because of the seemingly random occurrences of the QE/ME, and partly it’s because of the staggering scope of the thing.


On one hand, we have odd little changes that seem to have little (if any) importance. Things like an author’s name suddenly changing, or some trivial detail in a movie suddenly changes...

Then on the other hand, the entire geography of the planet seems to be changing. Absolutely stunning, impossible changes - but the weirdest part of it is, most people don’t see that anything has changed.

I’ve been considering this for awhile, and praying about it. There are several possibilities/explanations I’ve encountered (or that have come to mind) as I try to understand what’s happening.


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POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS



Possibility (1) - Christ’s Return & The End of the Age

We are nearing the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the powers & activities in Heaven are in closer proximity to us. Some might say “The veil is thinning.” There could be powers and activities in the Heavens that are causing what we call the ‘Quantum Effect’, or ‘Mandela Effect’.


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Possibility (2) - Altered Perceptions

Nothing has changed, but (for those of us who see the changes) our perceptions have been altered. It may be that some unknown Power has the strange effect of altering human perception, and those of us who are noticing the QE/ME are simply a bit more sensitive to that influence. Whether that influence is coming from another dimension (Heaven?), or from activities here on Earth (CERN, D-Wave Quantum computers?), or some combination of sources - who knows?


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Possibility (3) - Creation’s Foundational Laws Are Being Tampered With.

There is a prophecy in the Bible (the Daniel 7:25 prophecy) that seems to be saying that the Enemy will be granted some extra authority/leeway, just prior to the end of this Age. In the prophecy, it states that he will ‘desire to change Times, and Laws’.

Many have thought the “times & laws” statement applies to human calendars, kingdoms, and such. But - what if the prophecy is telling us that the fallen angels are going to attempt to change the foundational laws of Creation? That they will actually start to monkey around with Time itself?

(2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 supports the idea that the Enemy will cause massive confusion just prior to the end of the Age.)


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Possibility (4) - The ‘Strong Delusion’ Is Upon Us

The prophecy in 2 Thessalonians includes a statement that says God is going to send a ‘Strong Delusion’ upon the Earth.

If the QE/ME is part of that delusion, then which group is seeing the Truth? Those who are affected by the QE/ME, or those who don’t see any changes?


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Possibility (5) - Confabulation

It’s all a shared mis-remembering, a Confabulation. Modern communications have allowed us to share our experiences with each other as never before, and have allowed people to connect with others who have the same faulty memories.


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Possibility (6) - Multiple Universes Are Mixing Together

The ‘Multiple Universes’ theory is correct, and for some reason there is a crossing/blending/confusion of the universes.

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Possibility (7) - Multiple Timelines Are Mixing Together


The ‘Multiple Timelines’ theory is correct, and for some reason there is a crossing/blending/confusion of timelines. (This theory may simply be another way of describing the ‘Multiple Universes’ theory.)



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Possibility (8) - We Are In A Simulation


We exist within a simulation (like in the movie “The Matrix”), and someone/something is monkeying around with the programming.



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Possibility (9) - We Are Dead


We are dead, and in some type of holding area that closely resembles the world we once inhabited.



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Possibility (10) - We Have Been Moved


We have been moved (by some unknown Power) to a duplicate Earth, where some things are the same, and some things are different than the world we once inhabited.



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Possibility (11) - A Combination Of Things



Some combination of Possibilities 1-10 is happening.



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Possibility (12) - We Cannot Know


We have absolutely no frame of reference for what is happening. It is so far out of our ability to comprehend, we simply cannot know what is going on. We are so completely out of our depth that we cannot even form a useful question about what is happening.


(Remember Richard Feynman and his ‘bug in the swimming pool’?)


Here’s a link to that discussion:



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SUMMARY



Either the changes are happening, and some (most?) people don’t notice - or the changes are not happening, but some people are perceiving them as real.


I believe the changes are real, and of all the explanations I’ve encountered my best guess is that Possibility 3 is what we are experiencing (the Daniel 7:25 prophecy is unfolding).


To me, it looks as if some Power is reaching into the past, and making changes there. The changes then ripple forward through Time, affecting our present reality. (Although... How this could change the geography of the planet, I do not know. But it may be that the QE/ME is a completely separate issue from the geographic changes.)


But - If this (manipulation of Time) is happening, then the random/trivial changes we are seeing could be the result of that Power simply getting a feel for the controls of the system they’re using. Like someone getting into the driver’s seat of a car, and fiddling around with the controls to see how everything works.


And - If this is the case, then it is possible that the truly mind-boggling stuff hasn’t happened yet. When they figure out all the controls (Hey, where’s the clutch on this thing?), then the serious changes will begin. Something major, like... making it seem that the Lord Jesus Christ never existed... or, completely re-writing the Bible... or, making it seem that the Bible never existed...


(Amos 8:11 - Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD


The Word of God (that is, the Lord Jesus Christ himself) cannot be changed - but the Bible can, and has been changed.


The clearest example of someone changing the Bible is the re-writing of the scriptures that was done by the homosexuals. They rewrote the King James Bible, leaving out the scriptures that offended them. Their version of the Bible is called the Queen James Bible, and can be purchased on Amazon.com.


In bygone days, the re-writing (or copying) and dissemination of a book took a long time. Then, the printing press was invented. Still, it took time to copy - or rewrite - a book.


But now, we can cut-and-paste changes into a written document or book with a few keystrokes. Another press of a button, and the altered writing is on the internet, available worldwide.


Advances of technology have allowed this kind of thing to be done. The early scribes, carefully copying one letter at a time, had no inkling that such technology was even possible.


If the fallen angels are involved, there’s no telling what technologies they possess, or what they are doing with that tech. If they have been allowed access to the foundational laws of Creation, even for a limited time, there is no way to predict what they’ll do. But I suspect that they will cause great confusion, while simultaneously trying to escape God’s wrath - and their doom.


This kind of thing is far beyond us - but it is not too much for the Almighty God. He knows what He’s doing, and has the strength and authority to do exactly as He pleases.


I believe we are nearing the end of this Age - and if I’m right, things are going to get progressively weirder, more confusing, and much, much more dangerous.


Fellow Christians, buckle up. We may have to fight; we may have to endure persecution; we may die, before the Lord returns. But, he is coming.


Keep your attention on the Lord, even in the face of the lethal persecution that is coming. (That moment has already come, for 21 Christian men on a beach in Libya... and for uncounted numbers of our brothers and sisters around the world.)


For everyone else: Come to Jesus, if you can.
 
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I will have to re-read your notes again, as I have excitedly skimmed in order to quickly reply and dialogue with you.

I have had the very same thoughts. My short answer is those that are not affected are the blessed. They either are on the right path or have yet to be presented with choice.

My thoughts are very grim for the affected.

Question: Can one undo or unseen this effect?
 
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I see this as the fulfillment of prophecy. The end of the age has come, and the rapture happened, for those affected. The timelines converged because the "flood" came and took them away to a different earth. And I believe it happens every age -- with "this age and the age to come" being exactly as Jesus described. The translation was literal. The time was short. And we are left with a singular "heaven" now in Genesis.

The changes seen are nefarious, and God is not the author of confusion.

It's like the Tower of Babel all over again, and that's not a good thing.
 
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I don’t think we can “unsee” what we’re witnessing, unless the Lord makes that happen.

It’s almost like the difference between someone who can see colors, and someone who is color-blind. We are able to perceive what’s happening, while others can’t.

There’s also the possibility that it would be too traumatic for some people, if we could somehow “wake them up” and make them see what we’re seeing. But of course this is guesswork on my part. Only the Lord knows for sure what’s happening, and why some are aware while others are not.

I found that video. And while I don’t agree with everything this fellow believes, it’s very interesting to see how the QE/ME is affecting some businesses.

Here’s the link:

 
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Does anyone actually care? I am asking honestly; what is the percent of people that cares about something that requires such a challenge to reality?
 
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History hadn't changed. The world hadn't changed. Only mom's memory changed. No particle accelerators, no satanical conspiracies, no paranormal crapola, just getting two unrelated stories intertwined. Such is life.

You don't know how blessed you are not to see the changes. Lucky you. Seriously.
 
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Does anyone actually care? I am asking honestly; what is the percent of people that cares about something that requires such a challenge to reality?

If you have to ask, you aren't affected. And you are blessed beyond measure.
 
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I don’t think the rapture has already happened. But I do think we are living during the time the Lord described in Matthew 24, when he said “Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many will grow cold”.

Like I say in my notes: I think the world is going to get much weirder, and much more dangerous, before the end of this Age.

Regarding the timing of the rapture: I’m aware of the pre/mid/post tribulation Rapture debate. Seems to me that the first-gen Church had to go through horrific times, so I don’t see any reason that we can expect to be spared the same kind of experience.

We have to keep our hearts right with the Lord, no matter what happens.
 
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Does anyone actually care? I am asking honestly; what is the percent of people that cares about something that requires such a challenge to reality?

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Interesting question.

I wonder if anyone posed that same question to the first-generation Church, when they started talking about Jesus of Nazareth coming back from the dead? What a mind-bender that must have been for the friends and family who knew him both before and after his crucifixion and resurrection!

But I can imagine the religious establishment of that time asking the very same question you just asked. Interesting.
 
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I’ve been considering this for awhile, and praying about it. There are several possibilities/explanations I’ve encountered (or that have come to mind) as I try to understand what’s happening.


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POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS

Have you considered the following: what if we are all just travelling up or down a ladder (or pit) that is dependent upon our choices in life? Think Dante's inferno or Jacob's Ladder.

So, the further down you descend spiritually, the bigger the Mandela Effects.

Conversely, the higher up you ascend spiritually, the less confusion and more joy you obtain. I liken this to the sanctification process, that of going "from glory to glory" (2 Corinthians 3:18).

As an aside, have you seen the 1990 film Jacob's Ladder? Now I was too young to see it in theaters, but this effect had me checking out the trailer on YouTube.

Below is a great analysis of the film, but I caution, it's graphic.

(***WARNING - NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART)

And lastly: have you had any increases in synchronicity or deja vu? I have, and I blame Jung.

Thoughts?
 
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No, I haven’t had any increases in deja vu or synchronicity .

My iPad really doesn’t do well on this site.

Trust the Lord. He knows what he’s doing.

Acts 2:38 remains unchanged, Thank fully.
 
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No, I haven’t had any increases in deja vu or synchronicity .

My iPad really doesn’t do well on this site.

Trust the Lord. He knows what he’s doing.

Acts 2:38 remains unchanged, Thank fully.

Yes, trusting the Lord is everything.

Thanks to you, as well. God bless.
 
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Acts 2:38 is the key.

Repentance, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and the miraculous infilling of the Holy Spirit are the most amazing and wonderful gifts to us. We can simply trust the Lord from then on, and love him with all that we are.

If we fall back into sin, the gift of repentance allows us to be cleaned up yet again.

We don’t have to understand the Quantum/Mandela Effect. All we have to do is trust the Lord, endure whatever comes, and keep on bearing those good fruits of the Spirit.

Whatever is going on, there will come a day, an hour, and a moment when it will be behind us. History. For us, the hope and trust we have in the Lord - and his gift of eternal life - can be our beacon.

Sometimes, like now, life can be very confusing. It can be extremely painful. But we are just barely getting started with the Lord, and have Eternity with him ahead of us.

Question: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you became a believer?
 
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More like mass hysteria... shades of Trump.

Mandela Effect Causes and Examples

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-mandela-effect-4589394
The Mandela Effect refers to a situation in which a large mass of people believes that an event occurred when it did not. Looking at the origin of the Mandela effect, some famous examples, as well as some potential explanations for this strange confluence of perceptions can help to …
 
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If you have to ask, you aren't affected. And you are blessed beyond measure.

No I know about the Mandela Effect, but I don't think people care to entertain something that would challenge their reality as they perceive it. That is why I asked, "Who cares?"
 
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I am asking cynically whether people actually care because most people cannot entertain something that is outside of their reality as they perceive it.

I think, like today, no one cares about something that challenges their reality as they know it (i.e. the Christ).
 
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