The Man Who Killed Pluto

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

That's what a rigged vote behind closed doors in 2006 was all about? calling Pluto anything but a 'planet'?

You can call it a planet if you want to. Are you going the call the other 70,000 Kuiper belt objects planets? How about the asteroids? They also orbit the sun are were called planets at one time. Should we go back to calling them planets? I wouldn't really mind that much. What we call them doesn't change what they are but it would give school kids a hard time when they try to memorize the names of the planets.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can call it a planet if you want to.

Thank you -- I will.

Are you going the call the other 70,000 Kuiper belt objects planets?

No

How about the asteroids?

No

They also orbit the sun are were called planets at one time.

Good for them, I'm not going to think any differently than I did prior to 2006.

Should we go back to calling them planets?

No

I wouldn't really mind that much.

I would.

What we call them doesn't change what they are but it would give school kids a hard time when they try to memorize the names of the planets.

If it ain't broke -- don't fix it.

 

[Freodin]

If it ain't broke -- don't fix it.

But it was broken... that´s why it was fixed.

 

[Targ]

At the end of the day, whether it is classed as a dwarf planet or a major planet is pretty irrelevant and has almost zero practical implications.

 

[Nostromo]

Except to use when railing against evul and indecisive scientismists.

 

[Cabal]

So are our brilliant scientists going to retcon the figures to cover up this gaffe?

Are they, for example, going to rewrite the science bibles to reflect our newly decorated solar system?

Are they going to change the time Voyager 1 cleared our solar system?

Are they going to come up with a new mnenomic to learn the names of the planets in order from the sun?

Will J.C. Galle get the credit for discovering the last known planet we have to date?

Or will all this stuff go the way of the 'flying' squirrel and 'terrible lizard', and no one will bother to update the books?

Of course we will. Is there anything else you'd like? Would you like us to tuck you in, or move your house a little to the left?

Or might you just consider growing the heck up and keeping up with the rest of the class?

 

[AV1611VET]

Would you like us to tuck you in...

Scientists have already offered, and I'm not accepting.

Their pills that would make me sleep better, would give me headaches.

Then their pills that would alleviate my headaches, would give me diarrhea.

Then their pills that would alleviate my diarrhea, would keep me awake at night!

So I'm not getting on that merry-go-round.

 

[Cabal]

Then their pills that would alleviate my diarrhea

You could try talking out of your backside less.

 

[Sphinx777]

In ancient Greek religion and myth, Pluto (Πλούτων, Ploutōn) was a name for the ruler of the underworld; the god was also known as Hades, the name of the underworld itself. He has two major myths: in Greek cosmogony, he received the rule of the underworld in a three-way division of sovereignty over the world, with his brothers Zeus ruling Heaven and Poseidon the Sea; and he abducts Persephone to be his wife and the queen of his realm. In other myths, he plays a secondary role, mostly as the possessor of a quest-object.

The name Ploutōn was frequently conflated with that of Plutus (Πλοῦτος, Ploutos), a god of wealth, because mineral wealth was found underground, and because as a chthonic god he ruled the deep earth that contained the seeds necessary for a bountiful harvest. Ploutōn became a more positive way to talk about the ruler of the underworld, and the name was popularized through the mystery religions and philosophical systems influenced by Plato, the major Greek source on its meaning.

Pluto (genitive Plutonis) is the Latinized form of the Greek Ploutōn. Pluto's Roman equivalent is Dis Pater, whose name is most often taken to mean "Rich Father." Pluto was also identified with the obscure Roman Orcus, like Hades the name of both a god of the underworld and the underworld itself. The name Pluto is sometimes used for the ruler of the dead in Latin literature, leading some mythology handbooks to assert misleadingly that Pluto was the Roman counterpart of Hades, rather than an adopted Greek name identified with Dis Pater or Orcus.

In Greek religious practice, Pluto is sometimes seen as the "chthonic Zeus" (Zeus Chthonios or Zeus Catachthonios), or at least to have functions or significance equivalent to those of Zeus but pertaining to the earth or underworld. In ancient Roman and Hellenistic religion, Pluto was identified with a number of other deities, including Summanus, the god of nocturnal thunder; Februus, the god from whose purification rites the month of February takes its name; and the syncretic god Serapis, regarded as Pluto's Egyptian equivalent.

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[LifeToTheFullest!]

Scientists have already offered, and I'm not accepting.

Their pills that would make me sleep better, would give me headaches.

Then their pills that would alleviate my headaches, would give me diarrhea.

Then their pills that would alleviate my diarrhea, would keep me awake at night!

So I'm not getting on that merry-go-round.

Did you mean to post this here, or in the medical section?

This discussion is about Pluto, KBOs, Mike Brown and astronomy.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

In ancient Greek religion and myth, Pluto (Πλούτων, Ploutōn) was a name for the ruler of the underworld; the god was also known as Hades, the name of the underworld itself. He has two major myths: in Greek cosmogony, he received the rule of the underworld in a three-way division of sovereignty over the world, with his brothers Zeus ruling Heaven and Poseidon the Sea; and he abducts Persephone to be his wife and the queen of his realm. In other myths, he plays a secondary role, mostly as the possessor of a quest-object.

The name Ploutōn was frequently conflated with that of Plutus (Πλοῦτος, Ploutos), a god of wealth, because mineral wealth was found underground, and because as a chthonic god he ruled the deep earth that contained the seeds necessary for a bountiful harvest. Ploutōn became a more positive way to talk about the ruler of the underworld, and the name was popularized through the mystery religions and philosophical systems influenced by Plato, the major Greek source on its meaning.

Pluto (genitive Plutonis) is the Latinized form of the Greek Ploutōn. Pluto's Roman equivalent is Dis Pater, whose name is most often taken to mean "Rich Father." Pluto was also identified with the obscure Roman Orcus, like Hades the name of both a god of the underworld and the underworld itself. The name Pluto is sometimes used for the ruler of the dead in Latin literature, leading some mythology handbooks to assert misleadingly that Pluto was the Roman counterpart of Hades, rather than an adopted Greek name identified with Dis Pater or Orcus.

In Greek religious practice, Pluto is sometimes seen as the "chthonic Zeus" (Zeus Chthonios or Zeus Catachthonios), or at least to have functions or significance equivalent to those of Zeus but pertaining to the earth or underworld. In ancient Roman and Hellenistic religion, Pluto was identified with a number of other deities, including Summanus, the god of nocturnal thunder; Februus, the god from whose purification rites the month of February takes its name; and the syncretic god Serapis, regarded as Pluto's Egyptian equivalent.

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Nah

 

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[AV1611VET]

She probably hasn't gotten over the Y2K and radon scares yet, and is fed-up with scientists telling her what to fear and Who not to fear.

 

[Cabal]

She probably hasn't gotten over the Y2K and radon scares yet, and is fed-up with scientists telling her what to fear and Who not to fear.

As opposed to religionists and their wacko doomsday theories? How many more times have you lot been wrong? Considerably more.

 

[Psudopod]

She probably hasn't gotten over the Y2K and radon scares yet, and is fed-up with scientists telling her what to fear and Who not to fear.

When does science tell you who to fear / not to fear? Science can tell you about risk, but not whether you should feel an emotional response to something.

 

[Supreme]

Nah

I gotta say, you beat me to it.

 

[Ar Cosc]

She probably hasn't gotten over the Y2K and radon scares yet, and is fed-up with scientists telling her what to fear and Who not to fear.

I know this will fall on deaf ears, but the Y2K bug was a real concern, and corrective measures were taken, and were very effective. Also, Radon is a carcinogen, and isn't exactly great for you.

It should also be noted that it is the hysterical media who blows these things out of proportion, rarely the scientists themselves, and that it is always safer to eff on the side of caution. No matter how annoying your constant pops at a subject you quite clearly don't understand are, I much prefer them to scientists sitting back and saying "It'll probably be grand", and for a major catastrophe to occur.

 

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When does science tell you who to fear / not to fear? Science can tell you about risk, but not whether you should feel an emotional response to something.

AV has confused science with media reports about science again. There was a radon scare in the 90s because scientists extrapolated from the risk from high exposure to radon and concluded that radon might be killing thousands of people every year. The media and government trumpeted the risk, and everyone panicked.

In the intervening years, scientists have done a number of careful studies directly evaluating the risk from the kind of exposure that ordinary people receive in their homes. They have concluded that, in reality, radon is only killing around 20,000 people every year in the U.S. (mostly through increased lung cancer deaths). As a result, people are now much less worried about radon than in the 90s, and individuals like AV can point to the radon scare as one of the many mistakes science has made.

It all makes perfect sense.