The 'Macro-Micro' thing....again..

[bhsmte]

Except for the fact that we have (literally...!) tons of evidence to support exactly those transitions...!

But, by all means, continue to bury your head and ignore any evidence which is at odds with your fantasy....

I wouldn't expect anything less.

 

[biggles53]

I wouldn't expect anything less.

Sad but true...

 

[Atheos canadensis]

thanks for the comment, simply because it is very rare if ever that a genus would interbreed with another genus, regardless of one generation, or a million. It simply doesn't happen. Unless you have some examples. Thanks again.

You seem to be a little confused about evolutionary theory. One genus interbreeding with another genus to produce a new genus is not how evolution is proposed to work. Therefore a lack of generic interfertility is not a problem for evolutionary theory. Look at these two dinosaurs:

How dissimilar to you find those two dinosaurs? Are they so dissimilar that you think the second one could not be a modified descendent of the first one? They are different genera (Daspletosaurus and Tyrannosaurus respectively), yet they certainly seem similar enough that a population of Daspletosaurus could eventually be modified to become what we call Tyrannosaurus.

 

[createdtoworship]

You seem to be a little confused about evolutionary theory. One genus interbreeding with another genus to produce a new genus is not how evolution is proposed to work. Therefore a lack of generic interfertility is not a problem for evolutionary theory. Look at these two dinosaurs:

How dissimilar to you find those two dinosaurs? Are they so dissimilar that you think the second one could not be a modified descendent of the first one? They are different genera (Daspletosaurus and Tyrannosaurus respectively), yet they certainly seem similar enough that a population of Daspletosaurus could eventually be modified to become what we call Tyrannosaurus.

as you can see one is slightly larger, and one has bigger teeth. But I am unsure of your question. If you are asking if they have interbred, well I would say no, because they are different time periods and more importantly they are different genra and nature itself prohibits genra from interbreeding (for the most part). Other than that evolution is fairly straightforward. See no amount of generations, no amount of genetic compatibility will allow 2 genra to meet evolutionary speeking. It just hasn't happened scientifically. So hence we have no monkey to man transitions.

 

[createdtoworship]

Except for the fact that we have (literally...!) tons of evidence to support exactly those transitions...!

But, by all means, continue to bury your head and ignore any evidence which is at odds with your fantasy....

I havent seen one piece of evidence, got any. Please share.

 

[createdtoworship]

Well there aren't mashed up combo genus ranks to place those creatures that mark the transition, so the creatures do exist, they just give people a rough time with determining which genus to put them in (as a result that they ate the transitions between genus).

well if they are truly fertile hybrids, then why don't they list both genra as many hybrids do?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I havent seen one piece of evidence, got any. Please share.

Sure you have. But as pointed out you have buried your head in the sand when presented with them. You could always see them for yourself. Google search "Transitional fossils" and you will get countless hits. Avoid incorrect sites like AiG and the Disco Toot and you could learn something.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

as you can see one is slightly larger, and one has bigger teeth. But I am unsure of your question. If you are asking if they have interbred, well I would say no, because they are different time periods and more importantly they are different genra and nature itself prohibits genra from interbreeding (for the most part). Other than that evolution is fairly straightforward. See no amount of generations, no amount of genetic compatibility will allow 2 genra to meet evolutionary speeking. It just hasn't happened scientifically. So hence we have no monkey to man transitions.

You have missed the point. Let me clarify. I'm not suggesting these two genera interbred; again, that is not how evolution works. Evolution works by modifying a population until it is distinct from its parent population. I am asking you if you think the second dinosaur is so different from the first that it could not have arisen from the first by gradual modifications. You pointed out a couple minor differences, but do you think those differences outweigh the obvious general similarity? If you don't think that Daspletosaurus could be modified into Tyrannosaurus, you should find the notion of a few created kinds producing the variety we see today to be utterly absurd. Again, no one is proposing that genera interbreed.

 

[Loudmouth]

look up chemical evolution and tell me how it's not evolution.

(chemical evolution is abiogenesis btw)

Abiogenesis is not biological evolution. Never has been.

 

[Loudmouth]

thank you for the comment, but it looks like fake renditions, they are too clean to be originals. Photoshop maybe?

Please demonstrate that they are fake.

 

[Loudmouth]

You asked for a physical barrier.

And I am submitting -- as a physical barrier -- the fact that a horse cannot reproduce with a clam.

And it looks like you agree with me.

Either start paying attention to what I'm saying, or this conversation is over.

A horse breeding with a claim is not macroevolution.

 

[Loudmouth]

ok, let me explain. There are no transitions between genus levels. No monkey/man transitions, no whale/doglike transitions nothing.

How did you determine this? Please evidence your claim.

For example, please list the criteria you used to determine if a fossil is not transitional between humans and a common ancestor with chimps.

BTW each of those stated are different genra,

Transitional fossils should be in different genera. That's how Linnaean taxonomy works.

 

[bhsmte]

Sure you have. But as pointed out you have buried your head in the sand when presented with them. You could always see them for yourself. Google search "Transitional fossils" and you will get countless hits. Avoid incorrect sites like AiG and the Disco Toot and you could learn something.

Grady follows the same circular pattern he always has. It is quite obvious, he will continue to reject the boatloads of evidence to support evolution. Even if he was to one day come to accept the meaning of the evidence, it likely will not be on these boards.

 

[PsychoSarah]

well if they are truly fertile hybrids, then why don't they list both genra as many hybrids do?

Sometimes they end up listed as different genra by different people. It just is hard to place those inbetween creatures, so there really are transitional creatures we have discovered that are so perfectly inbetween genra that you could basically flip a coin on which one you put them in and you wouldn't ever end up more or less correct than the other option.

However, they aren't hybrids in the sense that you are thinking, rather they are the species that were inbetween two others in the evolutionary timeline that had roughly equal traits of both.

 

[AV1611VET]

A horse breeding with a claim is not macroevolution.

That's right.

In fact, the only thing that macroevolution is, is a joke.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's right.

In fact, the only thing that macroevolution is, is a joke.

No, a horse breeding with a clam is a joke.

 

[Loudmouth]

That's right.

Then why would sterility between species be a problem?

In fact, the only thing that macroevolution is, is a joke.

Says the person who can not come up with a single barrier that prevents microevolution from producing macroevolution. Denial is all you have.

 

[AV1611VET]

Denial is all you have.

The Nile is also an effective barrier.

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[Loudmouth]

The Nile is also an effective barrier.

Red herrings are not.

Do you have any science to present, or is ridicule and denial all you have?

 

[AV1611VET]

Red herrings are not.

Crocs8m.

Do you have any science to present,

Just the aforementioned barriers: sterility, incompatibility, and extinction.