The 'Macro-Micro' thing....again..

[Kylie]

Nope.

Their boss won't allow it.

Evolution will wax stronger and stronger, until it culminates at the end of the Tribulation period, when Jesus, Himself comes and puts an end to it once and for all.

Yeah, come talk to me when it happens, okay? People have been saying Jesus will soon be back for the last two thousand years or so. We're still waiting.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Have you verified the original Bible texts written in Hebrew and Aramaic to be so affirmative?

Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God

Your source is laughable to say the least.

Try again with something a tad more scholarly.

 

[Kylie]

alive, well yes. In fact evolution according to yourself and others is ongoing on the macro level. so you must also provide at least a few living transitions as well as numerous dead ones seeing the history of evolution being well along its way, time wise. But lets just start with one ( Living or dead- However you like it.) But I would like to keep it non plant life as I am not as familiar with that. My guess is that if you do come up with a transition between the arbitrary taxonomical levels of genus (which is a macro evolution required for monkey to man evolution..), they will be sterile which for our uses is well, useless. What good is a specimen that cannot pass down it's evolutionary traits. We might as well not even have the evolution.

Why must it be at the genus level?

 

[biggles53]

Yeah, come talk to me when it happens, okay? People have been saying Jesus will soon be back for the last two thousand years or so. We're still waiting.

In fact, according to the scriptures themselves, he has lied about that....unless one buys into the ridiculous notion of the 'Wandering Jew'....

 

[createdtoworship]

Why must it be at the genus level?

for one, because that is the definition of macro evolution, secondly because evolution must have crossed a genus barrier since apes and humans are different genra. Unless you are suggesting that it has not occurred, then we would be in agreement.

 

[createdtoworship]

This is a point that I am interested in. As I understand it, we do not have the original manuscripts of the Bible. If this is true then for some reason God has decided to withhold them from us. I have long been interested in why God did this. I doubt that I will never know but it is an interesting question.

Dizredux

we did have them, but they were not immortal. They were written on perishable things such as papri. But they were copied word for word exactly over and over again. IT has been said that jewish scribes counted the letters and spaces between the letters.

 

[createdtoworship]

Have you verified the original Bible texts written in Hebrew and Aramaic to be so affirmative?

Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God

good post

 

[createdtoworship]

Your source is laughable to say the least.

Try again with something a tad more scholarly.

if you count the words of the KJV and you count the words of the greek they are fairly accurately carried forward. BUt when you count the english words of say NIV, they almost triple. So there is significant addage to the original word of God. I use NKJV which has made some corrections to the KJV that is in error. But the KJV is more accurate in some areas. But all this to say He was correct in His statement regarding the KJV.

 

[Riberra]

This is a point that I am interested in. As I understand it, we do not have the original manuscripts of the Bible. If this is true then for some reason God has decided to withhold them from us. I have long been interested in why God did this. I doubt that I will never know but it is an interesting question.

Dizredux

These old manuscripts are surely very fragile...
It is preferable to keep them in a secret safe place and use a copy.

 

[PsychoSarah]

still waiting for one testable hypothesis or observable evidence for macro evolution, evolution between to genus level organisms.

I wanted to try an experiment, but you have an issue with plants.

 

[createdtoworship]

I wanted to try an experiment, but you have an issue with plants.

so I see you have no biological evolutionary evidence. ( and have attempted non animal evolution) You want to try chemical evolution (abiogenesis). I have issues with that as well. Mainly in the DNA evidences. We can merge to that if you wish.

 

[PsychoSarah]

so I see you have no biological evolutionary evidence. You want to try chemical evolution (abiogenesis). I have issues with that as well. Mainly in the DNA evidences. We can merge to that if you wish.

I feel that having an experiment with results your could observe as it goes would be more valid to you then just referencing the experiments of the past.

I don't have the tools for an abiogenesis experiment, nor do I ever recall offering to do one.

 

[Riberra]

Try again with something a tad more scholarly.

• Let's Weigh the Evidence:[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] by barry Burton:[/FONT]Reviewer: Allen W. Waldo: This book shows evidence why the RSV, ASV, NIV, NEV and others are attacks on the Deity of Christ, Salvation by Grace, Atonement and The Virgin Birth. It shows why the KJV c.1611 should be the Gold Standard. (Approx. $4-$5)
• The Language of the King James Bible:[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] by G. A. Riplinger: Reviewer[/FONT]: John Pearson et al: A most incredible look at the built in tools in the King James Bible (and only the KJV) left by God for its understanding. Though word usage has changed, word meaning has not. The word definitions of the King James are "fixed" or set as is promised in Psalms 119:89. Truly a scholarly work by the best kind of scholar, a Bible believer. In this book, Riplinger reminds the reader of the nuances of the English language. I was surprised to discover how much English grammar is not taught today. For instance, Riplinger points out that there are specific differences between the words "shall" and "will", and between "thou", "thee", "ye", and "you". The part of the book that does deal with the language of the King James Bible is very interesting, and demonstrates the superiority of that translation. (Approx. $10-$11)

• Old Bibles - An Account of the Various Versions of the English Bible:[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] by J.R. Dore: [/FONT]New reproduction of the 1876 book using the same printing plates. Hard to find!: The Old Bibles book by Dore provides a chronological account of Biblical scripture from Gildas, AD 546 through translations into English concluding with King James Version of 1611. "The hole byble was long before Wycliffe's days by vertuous and well learned men, translated into the English tong; and by good and godly people with devotion, and soberness, wel and reverendly red." (Misspelling in the original) This fascinating account reflects Dore's painstaking research to authenticate the historical origin of the various English language Bibles. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Dimensions (in inches): 0.31 x 8.32 x 5.45[/FONT](Approx. $15-$16)

 

[createdtoworship]

I feel that having an experiment with results your could observe as it goes would be more valid to you then just referencing the experiments of the past.

I don't have the tools for an abiogenesis experiment, nor do I ever recall offering to do one.

plant evolution I am sure would bypass a genus barrier, because plants are plants and you can graft whatever to whatever. But I feel you are at a lack for evidence and so you must try to scramble to whatever you know.


Just so you know I have never in five years seen an evolutionist answer this one challenge to evolution. Find one transition of an animal in the fossil record or any record that is linked to two separate genus'. An ape man is one transition, but there have been none discovered. A dog whale, or a cat dog or whatever you want. Just pic one.

but like I said no one has answered this challenge so you are not the first.

 

[PsychoSarah]

plant evolution I am sure would bypass a genus barrier, because plants are plants and you can graft whatever to whatever. But I feel you are at a lack for evidence and so you must try to scramble to whatever you know.


Just so you know I have never in five years seen an evolutionist answer this one challenge to evolution. Find one transition of an animal in the fossil record or any record that is linked to two separate genus'. An ape man is one transition, but there have been none discovered. A dog whale, or a cat dog or whatever you want. Just pic one.

but like I said no one has answered this challenge so you are not the first.

You're kidding. Do you honestly think some Frankenstein mix and mash creature would exist? That would DISPROVE evolution, because it doesn't allow for those kinds of half done changes. If you ever legitimately find a creature like that, evolution is in trouble, not validated.

 

[createdtoworship]

You're kidding. Do you honestly think some Frankenstein mix and mash creature would exist? That would DISPROVE evolution, because it doesn't allow for those kinds of half done changes. If you ever legitimately find a creature like that, evolution is in trouble, not validated.

oh but your mistaken, because, in fact I will throw in a bonus for you.

you have infinite amount of evolution time scales. Meaning you can have 5 billion years of time for this experiment. The evidence precedes you. That there is none. This is why you have no monkey to man transitions, or even dog to whale, or bird to dinasaur transitions. in fact let me sum up evolution for you.


That fishy fish life swam until they ran out of water, climbed up on shore, developed lungs, grew legs, became titans of their time, frayed the scales til they became feathers, shrunk, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around, and became birds. Or for men- the fishy fish swam til they ran out water, climbed up on land, grew lungs and fur this time, scampered around at the feet of giant tweety bird T rexes, til they ditched walking on all fours for two legged transportation, climbed trees, jumped down from trees to build a fire, shed their fur, grew a bigger brain, and now believes we came from monkeys.

or this one:

that life sprang from an electrocuted mud puddle, that fishy fish sprouted legs and crawled up on shore, that those same fishy fish split off in two different directions- mammalian and reptilian, that those reptilian frayed their scales until they became feathers, shrunk down in size, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around and became tweety birds. Or that the mammalian family ditched the four legged transportation for two, grew a tail, climbed a tree, swung around from the branches until their tails fell off and they fell out the trees, built a fire, shed the fur, grew a beard, and now believe we came from monkeys.

above illustrations from good brother

 

[createdtoworship]

• Let's Weigh the Evidence:[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] by barry Burton:[/FONT]Reviewer: Allen W. Waldo: This book shows evidence why the RSV, ASV, NIV, NEV and others are attacks on the Deity of Christ, Salvation by Grace, Atonement and The Virgin Birth. It shows why the KJV c.1611 should be the Gold Standard. (Approx. $4-$5)
• The Language of the King James Bible:[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] by G. A. Riplinger: Reviewer[/FONT]: John Pearson et al: A most incredible look at the built in tools in the King James Bible (and only the KJV) left by God for its understanding. Though word usage has changed, word meaning has not. The word definitions of the King James are "fixed" or set as is promised in Psalms 119:89. Truly a scholarly work by the best kind of scholar, a Bible believer. In this book, Riplinger reminds the reader of the nuances of the English language. I was surprised to discover how much English grammar is not taught today. For instance, Riplinger points out that there are specific differences between the words "shall" and "will", and between "thou", "thee", "ye", and "you". The part of the book that does deal with the language of the King James Bible is very interesting, and demonstrates the superiority of that translation. (Approx. $10-$11)

• Old Bibles - An Account of the Various Versions of the English Bible:[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] by J.R. Dore: [/FONT]New reproduction of the 1876 book using the same printing plates. Hard to find!: The Old Bibles book by Dore provides a chronological account of Biblical scripture from Gildas, AD 546 through translations into English concluding with King James Version of 1611. "The hole byble was long before Wycliffe's days by vertuous and well learned men, translated into the English tong; and by good and godly people with devotion, and soberness, wel and reverendly red." (Misspelling in the original) This fascinating account reflects Dore's painstaking research to authenticate the historical origin of the various English language Bibles. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Dimensions (in inches): 0.31 x 8.32 x 5.45[/FONT](Approx. $15-$16)

KJV is a good translation but there are problems with it.

that the NKJV fixes.

not to mention numerous revisions to the 1611, I think five:
"KJV Only" advocates refuted!

but when debating cults I always use the KJV.

But I am growing more and more fond of the NKJV as I study evolutionary attacks against the literal Bible, especially in genesis.

 

[PsychoSarah]

oh but your mistaken, because, in fact I will throw in a bonus for you.

you have infinite amount of evolution time scales. Meaning you can have 5 billion years of time for this experiment. The evidence precedes you. That there is none. This is why you have no monkey to man transitions, or even dog to whale, or bird to dinasaur transitions. in fact let me sum up evolution for you.


That fishy fish life swam until they ran out of water, climbed up on shore, developed lungs, grew legs, became titans of their time, frayed the scales til they became feathers, shrunk, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around, and became birds. Or for men- the fishy fish swam til they ran out water, climbed up on land, grew lungs and fur this time, scampered around at the feet of giant tweety bird T rexes, til they ditched walking on all fours for two legged transportation, climbed trees, jumped down from trees to build a fire, shed their fur, grew a bigger brain, and now believes we came from monkeys.

or this one:

that life sprang from an electrocuted mud puddle, that fishy fish sprouted legs and crawled up on shore, that those same fishy fish split off in two different directions- mammalian and reptilian, that those reptilian frayed their scales until they became feathers, shrunk down in size, climbed a tree, jumped off a branch, flew around and became tweety birds. Or that the mammalian family ditched the four legged transportation for two, grew a tail, climbed a tree, swung around from the branches until their tails fell off and they fell out the trees, built a fire, shed the fur, grew a beard, and now believe we came from monkeys.

above illustrations from good brother

I don't even know where to begin with how wrong this view of evolution is.

 

[Riberra]

You're kidding. Do you honestly think some Frankenstein mix and mash creature would exist? That would DISPROVE evolution, because it doesn't allow for those kinds of half done changes. If you ever legitimately find a creature like that, evolution is in trouble, not validated.

Ornithorhynchus anatinus



Platypus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) is a semiaquatic mammal endemic to eastern Australia, including Tasmania. Together with the four species of echidna, it is one of the five extant species of monotremes, the only mammals that lay eggs instead of giving birth. It is the sole living representative of its family (Ornithorhynchidae) and genus (Ornithorhynchus), though a number of related species have been found in the fossil record.
The unusual appearance of this egg-laying, duck-billed, beaver-tailed, otter-footed mammal baffled European naturalists when they first encountered it, with some considering it an elaborate fraud. It is one of the few venomous mammals, the male platypus having a spur on the hind foot that delivers a venom capable of causing severe pain to humans. The unique features of the platypus make it an important subject in the study of evolutionary biology and a recognisable and iconic symbol of Australia;

 

[createdtoworship]

Ornithorhynchus anatinus



Platypus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) is a semiaquatic mammal endemic to eastern Australia, including Tasmania. Together with the four species of echidna, it is one of the five extant species of monotremes, the only mammals that lay eggs instead of giving birth. It is the sole living representative of its family (Ornithorhynchidae) and genus (Ornithorhynchus), though a number of related species have been found in the fossil record.
The unusual appearance of this egg-laying, duck-billed, beaver-tailed, otter-footed mammal baffled European naturalists when they first encountered it, with some considering it an elaborate fraud. It is one of the few venomous mammals, the male platypus having a spur on the hind foot that delivers a venom capable of causing severe pain to humans. The unique features of the platypus make it an important subject in the study of evolutionary biology and a recognisable and iconic symbol of Australia;

lol, what is the platypus evolving from and to?

You can't say it's a missing link, then no detail what it links?