The 'Macro-Micro' thing....again..

[AV1611VET]

We decided as a group that you can no longer mention Thalidomide. Please.

"We" who?

 

[driewerf]

I don't care about all that.

So you don't care about the truth. And in that case I can't trust you in matters of Truth.

World truth hangs from a goalpost on skates.

Was it true 1930-2006 that Pluto was our 9th planet?

Was it true that Thalidomide was a pre-natal wonder drug?

Was it true that Phlogiston once existed?

But we corrected ourselves where we were wrong. That is caring about the truth. Someone who cares abourt the truth isn't afraid to correct himself. While you said that you don't care. And that is what you said not to care about.
So I will repeat what you deleted:
[And] in that case I can't trust you in matters of Truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

But we corrected ourselves where we were wrong.

So worldly truth needs correcting, does it not?

 

[CabVet]

So worldly truth needs correcting, does it not?

Science doesn't proclaim to have the "truth", religion does. And its interesting how religion changes much more than science.

 

[CabVet]

Answering these kinds of questions just results in page after page of needless yakking.

No, not answering a simple question is what leads to pages of yakking. You said the reason why there was no evolution is because there is no deep time. So the question is simple, if the Bible said that the earth had existed for 5 billion years, do you think macroevolution would be possible? Yes or no?

 

[AV1611VET]

Science doesn't proclaim to have the "truth",

Then this remark:

So you don't care about the truth. And in that case I can't trust you in matters of Truth.

... can take a hike.

 

[CabVet]

Then this remark:

... can take a hike.

You should have dismissed it a long time ago.

 

[CabVet]

World truth hangs from a goalpost on skates.

Was it true 1930-2006 that Pluto was our 9th planet?

Was it true that Thalidomide was a pre-natal wonder drug?

Was it true that Phlogiston once existed?

Is it true that even though AV admitted that doing the things above is wrong, he continues doing them?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7806438-2/#post65069965

Yes.

 

[AirPo]

So worldly truth needs correcting, does it not?

Constantly.

 

[Loudmouth]

Evolution is the change in the alleles of a population over time.

Δ(alleles)/T

Therefore technically evolution occurs.

Macroevolution would be deep changes over deep time.

Therefore technically macroevolution has never occurred.

It's not a matter of biology, it's a matter of time.

Deep time has occurred, so your argument is moot.

 

[Loudmouth]

I think what you are looking for are "developmental gene regulatory networks " (dGRN).

Here's a quote from biologist Eric Davidson "There is always an observable consequence if a dGRN sub-circuit is interrupted. Since these consequences are always catastrophically bad, flexibility is minimal, and since the sub-circuits are all interconnected, the whole network partakes of the quality that there is only one way for things to work. And indeed the embryos of each species develop in only one way." (Eric H. Davidson, "Evolutionary Bio-science as Regulatory Systems Biology," Developmental Biology, 357 (September 1, 2011): 40.)

Evolutionist Marshall believes dGRN had to be a lot more flexible in the past since this has to be so in order for evolution to be true.

The developmental gene regulatory network is different in each species, and guess what? It isn't catastrophic. Gene networks are obviously flexible enough to produce hundreds of thousands of vertebrate species. So again, where is the hurdle?

 

[Loudmouth]

World truth hangs from a goalpost on skates.

Was it true 1930-2006 that Pluto was our 9th planet?

Was it true that Thalidomide was a pre-natal wonder drug?

Was it true that Phlogiston once existed?

 

[AV1611VET]

Deep time has occurred, so your argument is moot.

Right.

Deep time has occurred because the fossil record says so, and the fossil record can be made to say so because deep time exists.

Hmmm.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fair enough.

We'll skip the examples I provided and just say world truth hangs from a goalpost on skates and leave it at that.

 

[Loudmouth]

Right.

Deep time has occurred because the fossil record says so,

False, because the rocks say so, independent of any fossil. We can date meteors even though they don't contain a single fossil. We can date moon rocks even though there are no fossils on the Moon.

But I am guessing that you will continue to spread misinformation, even when shown that you are wrong. Am I right?

 

[Loudmouth]

Fair enough.

We'll skip the examples I provided and just say world truth hangs from a goalpost on skates and leave it at that.

We will just say that you are being dishonest and trying to drag the discussion off topic.

 

[AirPo]

Fair enough.

We'll skip the examples I provided and just say world truth hangs from a goalpost on skates and leave it at that.

Fair enough, we'll just say you're free to make up whatever you want.

 

[AV1611VET]

False, because the rocks say so,

Fine ... the rocks point to deep time, because deep time is needed for the rocks.

I'm easy.

But I am guessing that you will continue to spread misinformation, even when shown that you are wrong. Am I right?

You mean like spreading the kind of misinformation that Jesus spread, when He said the rocks would shout out His glory?

 

[AV1611VET]

We will just say that you are being dishonest and trying to drag the discussion off topic.

What else is old?

 

[AV1611VET]

Fair enough, we'll just say you're free to make up whatever you want.

You guys have been saying that for eight years.