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I know what Catholics believe and I know what Lutherans believe and I know what Presbyterians believe.
If you're not any of these, what do you believe?
If you're not any of these, what do you believe?
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cajunhillbilly
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I am Anglican and my view is probably close to Lutheran. I believe in the Real Presence and that the Bread and Wine are sacramentally the Body and Blood of Christ. I see it as a mystery and try not to define it.
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ivebeenshown
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Before I was Catholic I thought of it as a mere commemorative symbolic motion and found little to no spiritual benefit in it.
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I am quaker. Do not do it. It is not commanded. Have taken it though. The use of it in scripture spoke of it as a meal not a rite and not to receive anything in return for doing it. No problem if used to remember christ work for us.
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Adam Warlock
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I'm also Anglican and I'm somewhere between Lutheran and Catholic regarding the Eucharist.
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I am Orthodox, and I believe that the wine and bread become the Body and Blood of Christ, by the action of the Holy Spirit. It is a Holy Mystery and not to be defined beyond that.
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Real Presence. The "how" is not a question I care to answer, but my mind is not closed to transubstantiation. A bigger concern for me is the fact that I haven't participated in the Supper for some time.
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I am a believer in Christ and I believe that it is holy if u read in 1 Corinthians 11 you will find that people have died from not taking communion seriously or even got sick. I take it seriously and remember what Christ has done for me!
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I'm non-denominational, and I believe it's symbolic. I'll also add that Jews have gotten sick and died for misuse/mishandling/disrespect of manna, but that doesn't mean it was mystically transformed into the body of Christ.
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mmmcounts said:
If you read 1 corinthians 11:23-31 you will see if u mishandled Lords supper people got sick and some died.
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Again. Manna, snakes, sickness, death. Manna was something that people had to take just as seriously and with similar results, but that doesn't mean it was mystically transformed.
Let me run it by you one more time. Your argument is that severe, even deadly consequences for mishandling an item of great religious importance strongly implies that it underwent a mystical, miraculous transformation. And I, in turn, am saying this: Look at all them other places where God brings the judgment for mishandling an important religious item which Does Not become mystically transformed. Do you see what I am doing here?
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Something doesn't have to be mystically transformed for the consequence of sin to happen. If you commit adultery you are open to attacks from Satan because sin is present. To mishandle communion or manna was sin. So its the present of sin which opens the door to sickness or disease which comes from the devil.
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mmmcounts said:
God told the people not to save it cuz it will rot. If u eat rotten food you can get sick and die. Where in scripture does it talk about mishandling manna cuz I gave u scripture about mishandling communion and some people died
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Numbers 11, Numbers 21. Evidently, God can- and in fact has- judged His people on account of something that did not involve a miraculous transformation from one thing to another. When you say Communion is a serious matter, you are right. But when you make the leap from there to the conclusion that God can only be serious about something if it has been miraculously transformed according to whichever doctrine you call your own, you're not making a valid point- it's a non sequitur. A convenient non sequitur for you, but a non sequitur nonetheless. Put in simpler terms, you transition from "God takes this seriously" to "I am necessarily right in whatever I choose to say about it." That does not follow. The one thing does not necessitate the other thing. Your reasoning is flawed. Common, but flawed.
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Anglican, so I believe in the Real (physical and spiritual) Presence of Christ in Holy Communion.
When does He become Present? I don't know and it doesn't matter, although logically He is there by the Great Amen.
How exactly does He become Present? I don't know and it doesn't matter, although, again, He is both physically and spiritually there (no half persons; He is either really there or He isn't)
Is there anything of bread and wine with water left? I don't know and it doesn't matter, only that I receive Jesus the Christ each time.
I suppose you could say my Eucharistic theology solely on the "Objective Reality," that is, that Jesus is truly, wholly, really there. Any particulars outside of that don't matter, only that He is there as He Himself taught.
When does He become Present? I don't know and it doesn't matter, although logically He is there by the Great Amen.
How exactly does He become Present? I don't know and it doesn't matter, although, again, He is both physically and spiritually there (no half persons; He is either really there or He isn't)
Is there anything of bread and wine with water left? I don't know and it doesn't matter, only that I receive Jesus the Christ each time.
I suppose you could say my Eucharistic theology solely on the "Objective Reality," that is, that Jesus is truly, wholly, really there. Any particulars outside of that don't matter, only that He is there as He Himself taught.
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cajunhillbilly
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What do you make of Jesus' words?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
(Joh 6:53-56 KJV)54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
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When Passover comes we eat of the bread and drink of the wine. And we remember that Jesus gave His blood and His flesh for us. He stood in and suffered my rightful punishment, and I didn't even ask Him. Some days we forget Jesus and only see the cares of the world, but along come Passover and we remember. We remember that God foretold Jesus along time ago in Egypt and called that foretelling Passover, and told His people to remember it. As Jesus did. So we do. We remember that God forgives us, because of the sacrifice Jesus made, He passes over us when He brings judgement. We remember that we did nothing except beg for forgivness. Jesus did it.
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I honor the Seder on Passover. I understand that how I do it now does not exactly reflect the way that Yeshua would have honored the Passover, I believe that the core essential of it is a matter of the heart.
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I'm United Methodist.
We affirm the real presence of Christ in Holy Communion. The manner in which this occurs is a "Holy Mystery."
(you can read more in the official document "This Holy Mystery: A United Methodist understanding of Holy Communion")
The prayer of consecration says "Pour out your Holy Spirit upon these gifts of bread and wine and make them be for us the Body and Blood of Christ..."
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