I already gave my take on the passage above. You can read it here.
You have not adequately answered my questions on how we test the validity of claims made about God.
You say it is "the Church Jesus started", but what is that supposed to mean? How do we know the Church you think of as being of Christ is speaking the truth as it is in Jesus? How do we test its doctrines? There are false churches, you know (see Matt. 7:21-23).
Why won't you answer my questions?
I agree. The "church", more properly called assembly, started back at Mount Sinai in the Wilderness. There's always been 1 church/assembly/congregation, called Israel.I dont think Jesus came to start any church.
I agree. The "church", more properly called assembly, started back at Mount Sinai in the Wilderness. There's always been 1 church/assembly/congregation, called Israel.
The answer to my questions is: the Scriptures. If church doctrine is contrary to the Scriptures, then I see it as false (not of God). Moreover, if there is no clear biblical support for a teaching concerning God, then it should not be expressed as fact but taken as an opinion.Matt 16
18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Matt 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
Acts 15
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Show me where the apostles said, keep the ten commandments.Much is said in the NT about keeping the commandments of God. No proof has been given from the Bible to show that the Sabbath is excluded.
Yes woobadooba, that has nothing to do with the fact that these early churches did not honor the Sabbath day.Also, did you notice that a prediction on what day of the week Jesus would return was given?
The Didascalia
So much for Constantine changing the day, the first day was in full swing before Constantine."The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
This is historical witness, if you question all historical documentation, then how would you accept the New Testament?This is highly questionable. Nothing in the Bible supports such a claim.
Hello Thursday.That is the day that Jesus rose from the dead. It doesn't really matter what day they chose to meet, that's the point. However, they did choose Sunday. That is their prerogative given that Jesus told us to listen to the apostles.
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