THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[LoveGodsWord]

Seventh day? Thats sunday then. /thread..

No the first day of the week is not the Seventh day Sabbath according to God's Word.

 

[Pyong Ping]

No the first day of the week is not the Seventh day Sabbath according to God's Word.

Counting 1 to 7 seems to be the problem.

1 - Genesis 1:1-5
2 - Genesis 1:6-8
3 - Genesis 1:9-13
4 - Genesis 1:14-19
5 - Genesis 1:20-23
6 - Genesis 1:24-31 (aka: the 'preparation')
7 - Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27 (the sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day)

 

[bekkilyn]

Jesus is the living Word of God. Only Faith in God's written WORD makes God's Word come alive through God's Spirit of creation in those who believe.

No, we put our *faith* in the living Word. The Holy Spirit may help us to understand more of God's character though what he reveals to us in the written word. The written word is sufficient for an understanding of our salvation. But our *faith* is not in a book (or group of books). Our *faith* is in Jesus. The written word is *not* God himself.

 

[Eloy Craft]

No the first day of the week is not the Seventh day Sabbath according to God's Word.

The Lord is choosing this day to give the disciples what they need to build the Church. The Church began on the first day of the week..The disciples follow by breaking bread on that day. @LoveGodsWord why did God choose the first day of the week so many times for the major event of Christs life and establishing the Church? If not the Lord's Day what is the significance of the first day of the week? What is it that the Holy Spirit is saying by choosing that day?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, we put our *faith* in the living Word. The Holy Spirit may help us to understand more of God's character though what he reveals to us in the written word. The written word is sufficient for an understanding of our salvation. But our *faith* is not in a book (or group of books). Our *faith* is in Jesus. The written word is *not* God himself.

So you do not believe the written Word is God's Word? This will be a problem for you because this is where faith comes from (Romans 10:17) and we are only saved by Faith (1 John 5:4; John 3:16-21).

 

[bekkilyn]

So you do not believe the written Word is God's Word? This will be a problem for you because this is where faith comes from (Romans 10:17).

No, the written word is not God's Word. God's Word is Jesus. The written word actually informs us who (not what) the Word is in the first chapter of John. Our faith is not through worshiping written words on a page, useful though they may be, but through the faith and grace of *Jesus* and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Lord is choosing this day to give the disciples what they need to build the Church. The Church began on the first day of the week..The disciples follow by breaking bread on that day.

The GREEK word for Church is ἐκκλησία; ekklēsia (G1577) which means an assembly of BELIEVERS. God's Chuch who God calls ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

This started in the OLD TESTAMENT from Adam and Eve, Able, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Samual and all the prophets and all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOWED God's WORD * Hebrews 11.

This has continued to all those in the NEW TESTAMENT who BELIVEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD to those living though time down to today who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are God's Church (ISRAEL).

If you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD you are a part of God's Church and God's ISRAEL. God has always had a people all thought time who BELIEVE and FOLLOWED God's WORD even in the days of Elijah when Elijah thought he was the only one left. God said he had 7000 that had not bowed the kness to BAAL. God's Chuch did not start in the NEW TESTAMENT it continued into the NEW COVENANT and the Gentiles invided to be a part of God's Church.

@LoveGodsWord why did God choose the first day of the week so many times for the major event of Christs life and establishing the Church? If not the Lord's Day what is the significance of the first day of the week? What is it that the Holy Spirit is saying by choosing that day?

There is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Some of the annual Jewish festivals (Leviticus 23) have there fulfillment after the Passover which Jesus was our passover lamb (Feast of First fruits, Jesus ressurrection). These were foretold in the MOSAIC BOOK of shadow laws in the OLD and NEW Testament scriptures.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, the written word is not God's Word. God's Word is Jesus. The written word actually informs us who (not what) the Word is in the first chapter of John. Our faith is not through worshiping written words on a page, useful though they may be, but through the faith and grace of *Jesus* and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NO the written Word of God is indeed God's WORD and we are to LIVE by every word that proceeds out of it. This is the ONLY place we find LIFE and where faith begins (1 Thessalonians 2:13; Matthew 4:4; Romans 10:17).

If you do not BELIEVE God's WORD how can you have faith and know the power of God's salvation? All those who only see God's WORD as a book will only ever have a form of Godliness because they will never know God's power to save a sinner from their sins to walk in LOVE and God's Spirit (Romans 1:16).

I will pray for you.

 

[bekkilyn]

NO the written Word of God is indeed God's WORD and we are to LIVE by every word that proceeds out of it. (Matthew 4:4). If you do not BELIEVE God's WORD how can you have faith and know the power of God unto salvation from your sins?

So you believe that God is a physical book? Well that does explain a lot.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you believe that God is a physical book? Well that does explain a lot.

Now be nice

I have already said in 3x posts that Jesus is the living WORD of God. God's WORD is the written WORD of God given to mankind from the LIVING WORD of GOD through the Gospel of Christs WORDS throughout the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures through the prophets and directly from God himself.

All scripture we are told is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16) and Jesus tells us we are to LIVE by EVERY WORD of it (Matthew 4:4). Faith only comes through God's WORD (Romans 10:17) and it is FAITH that makes the written WORD the LIVING Word of God because the written Word is God's WORD given to us from the Living WORD of God (Jesus).

If you do not KNOW the written WORD of God you cannot know the LIVING WORD of God or can you have the faith needed to change your life to walk with God or to follow him who calls you to LOVE as he first loved us. Only those who LOVE are free to walk and follow him who calls us to LOVE another. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE (Romans 13:8-10)

Hope this helps

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[bekkilyn]

Now be nice. I have already said in 3x posts that Jesus is the living WORD of God. God's WORD is the also the written WORD of God given to mankind from God through the Gospel of Christs WORDS through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

All scripture we are told is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16) and Jesus tells us we are to LIVE by EVERY WORD of it (Matthew 4:4). Faith only comes through God's WORD (Romans 10:17) and it is FAITH that makes the written WORD the LIVING Word of God because the written Word is God's WORD given to us from the Living WORD of God (Jesus).

If you do not KNOW the written WORD of God you cannot know the LIVING WORD of God or can you have the faith needed to change your life to walk with God.

Hope this helps

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While the written word is very important and has a purpose to help us in building our relationship to the living Word, the written word is *not* God himself, is not an object of worship, and not to be put on the same level as God himself. If all you are doing is cherry picking verses out of scripture and then putting an extremely literal interpretation on them while at the same time using them out of context without understanding their message as a whole, then it would indeed be very easy to become confused and start thinking of the written word as a god and of greater importance than the faith of the living Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

While the written word is very important and has a purpose to help us in building our relationship to the living Word, the written word is *not* God himself, is not an object of worship, and not to be put on the same level as God himself. If all you are doing is cherry picking verses out of scripture and then putting an extremely literal interpretation on them while at the same time using them out of context without understanding their message as a whole, then it would indeed be very easy to become confused and start thinking of the written word as a god and of greater importance than the faith of the living Word.

Now your only making up a strawman and trying to say things I am not saying.
I have never said that the written Word of God is God. I have only said that the written WORD of God is God's WORD. It is God's WORD that has been given to mankind by the Living Word of God (Jesus).

If you do not KNOW the written WORD of God you cannot know the LIVING WORD of God or can you have the faith needed to change your life to walk with God or to follow him who calls you to LOVE as he first loved us.

Only those who LOVE are free to walk and follow him who calls us to LOVE another. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE (Romans 13:8-10) I have not cherry picked scripture or have I taken a single scripture out of context. It is your believe that the written Word of God is not God's WORD not mine.

I believe the written Word of God is God's WORD given to mankind from the Living WORD of God (Jesus) and we are to live by EVERY WORD of it (Matthew 4:4) and I have provided scripture as to why I believe this way.

For me only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Sin will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

I will pray for you.

 

[bekkilyn]

Now your only making up a strawman and trying to say things I am not saying.

I have never said that the written Word of God is God. I have only said that the written WORD of God is God's WORD. It is God's WORD that has been given to mankind by the Living Word of God (Jesus).

If you do not KNOW the written WORD of God you cannot know the LIVING WORD of God or can you have the faith needed to change your life to walk with God or to follow him who calls you to LOVE as he first loved us.

Only those who LOVE are free to walk and follow him who calls us to LOVE another. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE (Romans 13:8-10)

I have not cherry picked scripture or have I taken a single scripture out of context. It is your believe that the written Word of God is not God's WORD not mine. I believe it is God's WORD given to mankind from the Living WORD of God (Jesus) and we are to live by EVERY WORD of it (Matthew 4:4)

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

I'm just kind of wondering if you actually have a relationship with the living God, or if it is all academic. Just because you say you haven't taken a single verse out of context doesn't mean that you haven't or that you have the pride to believe that your own scriptural interpretations are infallible and everyone else is wrong at all times. Has it never occurred to you that you may have something more to learn about the living Word or even about the written word outside of how you have been indoctrinated? Have you ever really studied the written word from multiple viewpoints in prayer to see where the Holy Spirit might lead you?

Yes, we need to know the written word, but it doesn't exist to be our slavemaster or taskmaster. That's not its purpose. God gave it to us to help draw us into a closer relationship with him.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm just kind of wondering if you actually have a relationship with the living God, or if it is all academic. Just because you say you haven't taken a single verse out of context doesn't mean that you haven't or that you have the pride to believe that your own scriptural interpretations are infallible and everyone else is wrong at all times. Has it never occurred to you that you may have something more to learn about the living Word or even about the written word outside of how you have been indoctrinated? Have you ever really studied the written word from multiple viewpoints in prayer to see where the Holy Spirit might lead you?

Yes, we need to know the written word, but it doesn't exist to be our slavemaster or taskmaster. That's not its purpose. God gave it to us to help draw us into a closer relationship with him.

Dear freind,

God is my judge. Not you. I do not think I can help you as I have not met anyone before that is a Christian that does not believe the written Word of God is God's WORD accept for those who do not believe in God.

This does indeed presents a problem because it is only through God's WORD given to mankind by the LIVING word of God that anyone can have Faith or KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another and receive the promise of his salvation in our lives.

If you do not BELIEVE in the written WORD of God how can you BELIEVE in the LIVING WORD of God that the written Word testifies to and where God reveals himself to those who seek him?

If you believe I have taken any scripture out of context prove it and show me from God's WORD. If you cannot simply saying so does not make it so. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God as it is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day. (John 12:47-48).

We are told in the last days that many will have a form of Godliness denying the power thereof because they never knew God (2 Timothy 3:1-7).

I will pray for you and for now may God bless you as you seek him and find him through his Word.

It is faith in the written Word that makes the written Word the living Word because it is only by FAITH that Jesus lives in and through us by his Spirit as we BELIEVE his WORD.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[bekkilyn]

Dear freind,

God is my judge. Not you. I do not think I can help you as I have not met anyone before that is a Christian that does not believe the written Word of God is God's WORD accept for those who do not believe in God.

This does indeed presents a problem because it is only through God's WORD given to mankind by the LIVING word of God that anyone can have Faith or KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

If you do not BELIEVE in the written WORD of God how can you BELIEVE in the LIVING WORD of God that the written Word testifies to?

If you believe I have taken any scripture out of context prove it and show me from God's WORD. If you cannot simply saying so does not make it so. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God as it is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day. (John 12:47-48).

I will pray for you. May God bless you as you seek him and find him through his Word.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

The written word of God is simply not Jesus (God). If you are believing *in* the written word as if it were a god, then that is idolatry. We are to believe in and follow *Jesus*, the living Word that was with God and who *is* God. The written word tells us this, being that instruction is part of its purpose.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The written word of God is simply not Jesus (God). If you are believing *in* the written word as if it were a god, then that is idolatry. We are to believe in and follow *Jesus*, the living Word that was with God and who *is* God. The written word tells us this, being that instruction is part of its purpose.

I am not sure why you are posting things I have not said or believe. I will leave that between you and God as I believe I have posted enough on the topic.

I do BELIEVE that the written WORD of God was given to us [mankind] from the Living WORD of God (Jesus) and it is God's WORD (not God) to mankind and we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW it and Jesus says we are to live by EVERY WORD of it (Matthew 4:4).

Without the written Word of God we have no life, no faith and no salvation and are without God in this World as it is the written Word of God that testifies to the Living Word of God (Jesus). Without God's written Word we cannot know him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another or know his salvation that he longs to give all who see their need.

No one can know Jesus without his Word.

 

[bekkilyn]

Although I do BELIEVE that the written WORD of God was given to us [mankind] from the Living WORD of God (Jesus) and it is God's WORD (not God) to mankind and we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW it and live by EVERY WORD of it (Matthew 4:4).

What if multiple manuscripts in the original languages are not in agreement on EVERY WORD? (As is the truth.) What then? If you don't know the original languages, which translation has translated EVERY WORD correctly, and if in English, how would one live by the word "the"? See part of the problem of elevating the written word to the point where it drowns out the message of the living Word, because obviously Matthew 4:4 was not to be taken so literally. That's not even getting in to which interpretive lens are you using to determine what EVERY WORD means in that context, though you have apparently decided that your lens is always right and everyone else's lenses are always wrong because it seems impossible for you to see from any other perspective.

Jesus still died for us regardless of whether or not any words exist on paper (or on tablets), so we do indeed have life, faith, and salvation without the written word. If all the bibles on earth were suddenly destroyed tomorrow, we would still have the Word and he is sufficient.

Your belief in needing the written word for salvation kind of reminds me how the Israelites were dismayed when God's temple was destroyed as they feared then that God was no longer with them. While the written word is sufficient for instructing us concerning salvation, it is not what saves us, and Jesus was, is, and will be no matter what.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Everyday is the Lord's day and of this I am fully convinced... that's all that matters.

Romans 14:5

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What if multiple manuscripts in the original languages are not in agreement on EVERY WORD? (As is the truth.) What then? If you don't know the original languages, which translation has translated EVERY WORD correctly, and if in English, how would one live by the word "the"? See part of the problem of elevating the written word to the point where it drowns out the message of the living Word, because obviously Matthew 4:4 was not to be taken so literally. That's not even getting in to which interpretive lens are you using to determine what EVERY WORD means in that context, though you have apparently decided that your lens is always right and everyone else's lenses are always wrong because it seems impossible for you to see from any other perspective.

Jesus still died for us regardless of whether or not any words exist on paper (or on tablets), so we do indeed have life, faith, and salvation without the written word. If all the bibles on earth were suddenly destroyed tomorrow, we would still have the Word and he is sufficient.

Your belief in needing the written word for salvation kind of reminds me how the Israelites were dismayed when God's temple was destroyed as they feared then that God was no longer with them. While the written word is sufficient for instructing us concerning salvation, it is not what saves us, and Jesus was, is, and will be no matter what.

My Dear Friend, indeed it appears that we have a different belief system. I believe the written WORD of God is God's WORD given to mankind by the Living Word of God. You have made your position clear that you do not. So we will need to agree to disagree.

I take God's WORD as it is, the Word of God. It is in God's WORD that I found Jesus the Living Word of God and it is his Word's that I live by FAITH.

My prayer for you that you may seek him there and know him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Everyday is the Lord's day and of this I am fully convinced... that's all that matters. Romans 14:5

Hi Hazelelponi,

The Lord's Day is the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8) and it is not everyday it is the SEVENTH DAY of the week (Exodus 20:8-11). There is no scirpture in God's WORD that says the Lord's Day is the first day of the week.

Romans 14 is talking about food and fasting connected to Holy days. There is no reference to God's 4th Commandment Sabbath in Romans 14 and it does not say God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and nice to meet you.

Hope this helps.