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The Lords Day and the Sabbath

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The Lord's Day refers to the 1st day of the week also known as the 8th day, I will quote what I had written again for you to read, take your time & take it in.
That was a decision by the early church fathers to re-interpret Rev 1.10.

In fact, the usage there is unusual and not rendered well in english. "Lord" is used as an adjective (not a possessive).

"Lord's Day" can refer to NOTHING other than the day of destruction.


Isaiah 13:6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near! It will come as destruction from the Almighty.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, Cruel, with fury and burning anger, To make the land a desolation; And He will exterminate its sinners from it.

Joel 1.15 Alas for the day! For the day of the Lord is near, And it will come as destruction from the Almighty.

Joel 2.30 “I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
31 “The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. (also quoted in Acts 2.20)

1 Corinthians 5:5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

2 Thessalonians 2:2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

Does ANY of that sound like "Sunday?"
 
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In the New Covenant its required for all believers.
Not really. In the New Covenant there needs to be a distinction between Jewish believers and gentile believers. (see the last paragraph of Matt 23) Sabbath is just such a distinction.

"It is a sign between Me and the Children of Israel forever"
 
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Look you have your Hebrew Roots thinking cap on still, If why didn't John write the day of the Lord? He didn't but wrote Lord's Day which in extra books & history is refered to as Sunday also known as the 8th day, we all know Yeshua rose on a Sunday.

In the New Covenant Gentiles are part of the Covenants, we can agree to disagree...because that will prob end up happening anyway's, I have shared, and those who are open & can see how the 6 day creation with the Sabbath is pointing to the coming of our Lord, with the 8th day representing the 8000th yr which in the New Heavens and New Earth shall be made. Grace & peace be to you, in Yeshua our Messiah, I close with those words.
 
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Growing up Monday was considered the first day of the week and Sunday was The last day of the week. However I think what is of importance is our heart and making sure that we are putting God first in everything.....you can follow all the rules but still not be right with th Lord....look at the Pharisees...they followed the law to the T and then some, but their hearts were not right and Jesus told them that Satan was their father. I think what is important is that we are still seeking weekly fellowship with other believers and seeking Him.
 
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Not really. In the New Covenant there needs to be a distinction between Jewish believers and gentile believers. (see the last paragraph of Matt 23) Sabbath is just such a distinction.

"It is a sign between Me and the Children of Israel forever"

There is a distinction but the Sabbath is not part of that distinction. Let me show you dear sir:

It used to be that the Sabbath was not for Gentiles. Gentiles outside of the Old Covenant used to only be required to keep the Law of Noah:

"Nine:
1. Chapter And Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers unto David saying 2.“I know that YHWH thy God is the God, and now deal kindly and truly with me and teach me the Law of thy God, for I will worship Him all my life.” 3.And the messengers came to David with an offering in their hands for YHWH and for David. And they told him the words of Hiram and presented him with the offering. 4.And David said in reply to Hiram: 5.“Go and say to my brother, to Hiram, ‘Thus said David your brother: 'Be afraid of YHWH, creator of heaven and fire, the sea and the earth, the wet the dry the heat and the cold, the mineral the vegetation the living and the speaking 6.the spheres the Pleiades and Orion, the Sun and the Moon, the substantial and the spiritual, the wandering stars, the senses and everything. 7.All these were created and made without a blemish by El Shaddai; his name is YHWH. 8.And if thou do this, observing the commandments that were ordered to the children of Noah, thy father, then good will be yours all thy days. 9.For we are His allies; we are different from thee by the Law of truth, sealed by the seal of Shaddai, called children of God of truth. 10.And therefore we have to obey the whole Law for we were commanded by the Name, saying “Speak unto the children of Israel.” 11.And He hath not dealt so with any nation as He did with us, for us He chose and not for any reason but for the great love He loves us.” 12.And the messengers returned and came back to Hiram their king and told him the words of king David. 13.And Hiram rejoiced in his heart and gathered all his princes and his servants and said to them the following: 14.“Listen to me Tyrians and Sidonians, what I will tell you. 15.Be afraid and fear El Shaddai whose name is God of Israel. He made everything by speaking and by the breath of His mouth; and who will tell Him what to do? for He is one. 16.Say with me: ‘Blessed is YHWH God of Israel who chooses His people, and blessed is David, his servant, king of His people, and blessed is Israel whom YHWH has chosen to be His inheritance. 17.And would that we were slaves to the children of Israel that are called children of YHWH, their God.” 18.And all his princes and his servants replied: “Amen, thus will be done.” 19.And Hiram lifted up his voice and said “I have seen, but not now, I have beheld, but not nigh: there shall step forth a sun from David, and a moon shall rise out of the house of Judah, and shall smite all the children of Ham, and break down all the children of Japheth, and he will possess all the kingdoms of the world. And who is like YHWH, God above all gods? 20.And who is like Israel a people above all the nations? May our end be like theirs.” 21.And when YHWH heard the words of Hiram it was well-pleasing in His sight. 22.And YHWH said unto Gad the seer of David as follows: 23.“Go unto my servant and tell him my word that I say unto you.” 24.And Gad, the man in whose hand was the word of YHWH, came to David, and said, “Thus saith YHWH the God of Hosts: 'I have heard the words of Hiram, king of Tyre, and the words of his princes and his servants, and they pleased me. 25.Wherefore I shall give him and his people a heart of wisdom and understanding to prepare my house where I put my name, and that will assist his land’s growth, for I have chosen them and shall not despise them.” 26.And David said to Gad: “Now I know that YHWH our God gives good reward to all His creatures and to all the works He has created, for He is a God of mercy, who dwells on high and looks after in low, and he that is banished will not be an outcast from Him. Blessed be YHWH for evermore; Amen, and Amen. 27.For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward them that fear Him and towards His works. 28.Bless YHWH, all ye His works, in all His places of His dominion. Bless YHWH, o my soul. Hallelujah.”” (The Book of the Words of Gad the Seer - translated by Meir Bar-Ilan & copied & edited by Onieh Carlson)

"2:17 And He gave us a great sign, the Sabbath day, that we should work six days, but keep Sabbath on the seventh day from all work.
2:18 And all the angels of the presence, and all the angels of sanctification, these two great classes -He hath bidden us to keep the Sabbath with Him in heaven and on earth.
2:19 And He said unto us: 'Behold, I will separate unto Myself a people from among all the peoples, and these shall keep the Sabbath day, and I will sanctify them unto Myself as My people, and will bless them; as I have sanctified the Sabbath day and do sanctify (it) unto Myself, even so will I bless them, and they shall be My people and I will be their God.
2:20 And I have chosen the seed of Jacob from amongst all that I have seen, and have written him down as My first-born son,and have sanctified him unto Myself for ever and ever; and I will teach them the Sabbath day, that they may keep Sabbath thereon from all work.'
2:21 And thus He created therein a sign in accordance with which they should keep Sabbath with us on the seventh day, to eat and to drink, and to bless Him who has created all things as He has blessed and sanctified unto Himself a peculiar people above all peoples, and that they should keep Sabbath together with us.
2:22 And He caused His commands to ascend as a sweet savour acceptable before Him all the days . . .
2:23 There (were) two and twenty heads of mankind from Adam to Jacob, and two and twenty kinds of work were made until the seventh day; this is blessed and holy; and the former also is blessed and holy; and this one serves with that one for sanctification and blessing.
2:24 And to this (Jacob and his seed) it was granted that they should always be the blessed and holy ones of the first testimony and law, even as He had sanctified and blessed the Sabbath day on the seventh day.
2:25 He created heaven and earth and everything that He created in six days, and God made the seventh day holy, for all His works; therefore He commanded on its behalf that, whoever does any work thereon shall die, and that he who defiles it shall surely die.
2:26 Wherefore do thou command the children of Israel to observe this day that they may keep it holy and not do thereon any work, and not to defile it, as it is holier than all other days.
2:27 And whoever profanes it shall surely die, and whoever does thereon any work shall surely die eternally, that the children of Israel may observe this day throughout their generations, and not be rooted out of the land; for it is a holy day and a blessed day.
2:28 And every one who observes it and keeps Sabbath thereon from all his work, will be holy and blessed throughout all days like unto us.
2:29 Declare and say to the children of Israel the law of this day both that they should keep Sabbath thereon, and that they should not forsake it in the error of their hearts; (and) that it is not lawful to do any work thereon which is unseemly, to do thereon their own pleasure, and that they should not prepare thereon anything to be eaten or drunk, and (that it is not lawful) to draw water, or bring in or take out thereon through their gates any burden, which they had not prepared for themselves on the sixth day in their dwellings.
2:30 And they shall not bring in nor take out from house to house on that day; for that day is more holy and blessed than any jubilee day of the jubilees; on this we kept Sabbath in the heavens before it was made known to any flesh to keep Sabbath thereon on the earth.
2:31 And the Creator of all things blessed it, but he did not sanctify all peoples and nations to keep Sabbath thereon, but Israel alone: them alone he permitted to eat and drink and to keep Sabbath thereon on the earth.
2:32 And the Creator of all things blessed this day which He had created for blessing and holiness and glory above all days.
2:33 This law and testimony was given to the children of Israel as a law for ever unto their generations." (The Book of Jubilees (aka The Little Genesis, or The Book of Divisions) Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1914)

But the New Covenant has come with a new changed Priesthood and consequently a new changed Law (Hebrews 7:12). This Covenant is a Covenant for all nations and not just the Israelite people:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Hos 2:18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

Isa_42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa_49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

(all KJV)

In this New Covenant the Law for Israel and the Nations is essentially the same:

“Chapter Two:
1.After these true things I had a divine vision saying: 2.“Set thy face eastward, northward, southward, and westward. 3.And whistle with thy mouth as a bird whistles to its chicks and say: ‘Four corners of the earth, listen to the word of YHWH. 4.Thus saith YHWH, who sits and dwells over the cherubs: 'Give, give, give, take out, take out, take out my seed that I have sown in you, for the time for the seed has come. 5.For yet a little while I shall collect my seed on my threshing-floor. 6.And the threshingfloor will be holy; an impure seed will not be found in it. 7.For before those days my seed was mixed with lentil, and barley, and spelt, beans, and gourd. 8.And in the end of days the sower shall be true and the seed shall be true and from the seed all the land will be blessed. 9.Be joyful and glad, remnant of Judah and rejected of Israel, for salvation is with YHWH. 10.As ye shall be a curse and blasphemy to all the families of the earth, so shall you be a blessing and grace for ever. 11.At that time no cursed or unholy people will be found among you, 12.for everyone will join you in the covenant in the Law, testimonies, statutes, and ordinances. 13.And you and they shall have one God, one covenant, one law, one language, for all shall speak in the Jews’ language, the holy language. 14.Happy art thou, o Israel, who is like unto thee? A people saved by YHWH, for He shall go before you to fight your wars with your enemies. 15.Woe to you, o Edom, that sits in the land of Kittim in the north of the sea. 16.For your destroyers will emerge from a terrible nation not leaving you a remnant. 17.For you have said: 'On high is my seat, and I have knowledge of the god of gods, for YHWH chose me instead of His holy people, for He loathed them. 18.And His former people, despised and rejected, did not know YHWH or His image. 19.Verily we are wise and clever; we know YHWH and His Law, we know His image and presence.' 20.Therefore thus saith YHWH: 'Because you rose so high to talk about the god of gods, know that you shall perish in your cleverness. 21.For why would you put confidence in man, in whose nostrils is his breath, which came up in a night, like a day-shadow that passes by, setting him to sit beside God. 22.For it is not you whom I knew formerly, and where is the bill of divorce of my people, that ye said would be a prey; show it to me. 23.Your corpses will fall among my people.' 24.O jealous YHWH, come out; come out of your place and thrash Edom; consume them. 25.Come to Zerephath, come to Sepharad, come to Ashkenaz, come to Garmania; they shall come and fall in the nethermost pit, in destruction and in the shadow of death, for your mouth will fail you, and no one will help you. 26.At the end of days Michael the great prince shall stand up in war like a whirlwind against Samael the prince of the world to put him under his feet, in the wind of YHWH, and it shall be eaten up; for YHWH has spoken it. 27.At the end of days the robbed will overcome the robber, and the weak the strong, truly and in righteousness. 28.Your God is your savior, o Israel; with Him you will be saved, for He is a merciful God. He will not abandon you, 29.for thou shalt keep on doing all that I commanded you in the Law of Moses My servant.'” (The Book of the Words of Gad the Seer translated by Meir Bar-Ilan & copied & edited by Onieh Carlson)

That is why is the Millennial Reign of Messiah he will require all of the Nations which went up against Israel to come up to Jerusalem and observe the Festival of Tabernacles.

Zec_14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec_14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec_14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. (KJV)

In Revelation 7 we see that the Sainst from all Peoples, Nations, Tribes and Tongues are observing the Festival of Tabernacles.

This would not be so if the New Covenant Law was not changed and did not now also require Sabbath and Festival observance from Gentiles.

However, there are still some laws for Israelites that are not for Gentiles in the New Covenant. Just like Levites had some distinctions between them and the rest of Israel. But these distinctions are a lot less and the Law is not essentially the same for biological Israelites and Gentiles in the New Covenant as foretold by the prophetic Words of Gad the Seer which are endorsed by the Bible (1Chronicles 29:29) which a copy was preserved by the Cochin Jews of India. Praise and thank Yah.
 
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Growing up Monday was considered the first day of the week and Sunday was actually the last day of the week.
That is wrong though, and all know that the first day of the week is Sunday, even New Translation of the bible have- Luke 24:1 New Living Translation
But very early on Sunday morning the women went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared.

The Wiki also says Sunday is the first day of the week & School books also, Sunday was also known as the 8th day, if you read what I posted about the 7th and 8th day & how it points to the return of Christ on the 7000th yr which will be the 1000yr reign with the saints, and after that is the 8000th yr which is the New Biginning, and the New hevaens and new earth. blessings.
 
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Growing up Monday was considered the first day of the week and Sunday was The last day of the week.
That is the worldly way of counting time. I know all European calendars conform to that spec.

It has no biblical value at all.
The Wiki also says Sunday is the first day of the week & School books also, Sunday was also known as the 8th day,
The 8th day has limited scriptural value unless you are observing Shemeni Atzeret. (also called the 8th day of Tabernacles) But of course that can fall on any day of the week.
 
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This is what the Assemblies of God teach on their American website. Observing the Sabbath: Does the Assemblies of God believe in observing the Sabbath in practice? Over the years attitudes in the AOG towards observing the Sabbath or the Lord's Day have modified noticeably. In earlier days of our Movement,people refrained from athletic activities,entertainment persuits,reading secular magazines and newspapers and accepting jobs requiring Sunday work. These standards in some cases may have been too legalistic,but we are in danger of missing the real significance of "Sabbath rest". In Hebrew the Word,Sabbath is "one's rest" and comes from the verb meaning "to cease". One of the ten commandments reads," Remember the Sabbath Day by keeping it Holy"(Ex.20:8 and Deut.5:12) The reason for this commandment is that God wants His people to rest or cease from their normal work schedules. Jesus tells us that God instituted Sabbath observance for man's benefit (Mk 2:27) God set the example by "resting" on the seventh day of the creation week (Gen.2:2,3) In the NT the Sabbath Commandment is the only one of the ten commandments that is not mentioned as binding upon Christians. The spiritual experience of the OT Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus Christ,who gives spiritual rest to those who acknowledge Him (Matt.12:28-29 and Heb.4:1-11) The NT indicates the early Christians gathered for worship on Sunday,the first day of the week (Acts 28:7) Jesus' disciple John called it the "Lord's Day" (Rev.1:10) For these Christians who lived in N T days Sunday worship was a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus which took place on the first day of the week (Lk.24:1). While we are not commanded to observe Sunday as the specific day of rest and worship the principle of one day in seven should be set aside for physical and spiritual renewal'
 
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This is what the Assemblies of God teach on their American website. Observing the Sabbath: Does the Assemblies of God believe in observing the Sabbath in practice? Over the years attitudes in the AOG towards observing the Sabbath or the Lord's Day have modified noticeably. In earlier days of our Movement,people refrained from athletic activities,entertainment persuits,reading secular magazines and newspapers and accepting jobs requiring Sunday work. These standards in some cases may have been too legalistic,but we are in danger of making the real significance of "Sabbath rest". In Hebrew the Word,Sabbath is "one's rest" and comes from the verb meaning "to cease". One of the ten commandments reads," Remember the Sabbath Day by keeping it Holy"(Ex.20:8 and Deut.5:12) The reason for this commandment is that God wants His people to rest or cease from their normal work schedules. Jesus tells us that God instituted Sabbath observance for man's benefit (Mk 2:27) God set the example by "resting" on the seventh day of the creation week (Gen.2:2,3) In the NT the Sabbath Commandment is the only one of the ten commandments that is not mentioned as binding upon Christians. The spiritual experience of the OT Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus Christ,who gives spiritual rest to those who acknowledge Him (Matt.12:28-29 and Heb.4:1-11) The NT indicates the early Christians gathered for worship on Sunday,the first day of the week (Acts 28:7) Jesus' disciple John called the "Lord's Day" (Rev.1:10) For these Christians who lived in N T days Sunday worship was a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus which took place on the first day of the week (Lk.24:1). While we are not commanded to observe Sunday as the specific day of rest and worship the principle of one day in seven should be set aside for physical and spiritual renewal'
I believe both days should be kept. :)
 
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That is wrong though, and all know that the first day of the week is Sunday, even New Translation of the bible have- Luke 24:1 New Living Translation
But very early on Sunday morning the women went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared.

The Wiki also says Sunday is the first day of the week & School books also, Sunday was also known as the 8th day, if you read what I posted about the 7th and 8th day & how it points to the return of Christ on the 7000th yr which will be the 1000yr reign with the saints, and after that is the 8000th yr which is the New Biginning, and the New hevaens and new earth. blessings.
I didn't read your post, but my post was intended for the original poster.
 
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No. The "Lord's Day," or rendered another way, "Day of the Lord," is a day of judgement and destruction. While the English translators have made a distinction, grammatically there is no difference (even in English). John was in the Spirit on "The Day of the Lord." The day he saw the coming judgements and destruction.

Indeed it is. And the Sabbath is a sign between God and the physical sons of Israel. (Ex 31.17) Are you Jewish?
If so, it is required of you.
If not, you are welcomed to celebrate and reap the benefits; but it is not required.

The main thing is to cease from your normal work and to focus on the Lord.

Since this is the Assembly of God forum, I strongly encourage you to seek out one of the A/G affiliated Messianic synagogues for more guidance. I am sure your district or state board can get you in contact with them.

There is nether Greek or Jew in the kingdom. They are all one flesh made in Gods image. Colossians 2-3 teaches us that we have died and been raised with Christ, and our life is now hidden with Christ in God, in heaven. It also says that Sabbath is a shadow but Christ is the reality. So the prayer that says "may your will be done on earth as in heaven" must refer to being raised with Christ in heaven where our lives are now hidden in God.
 
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I would like to point out how in Rev 1;10 people say that Lord's Day is refering to the day of the lord as in Jugdement- In the
THE LOST GOSPEL ACCORDING TO PETER
9 And in the night in which the Lord's day was drawing on, as the soldiers kept guard two by two in a watch, there was a great voice in the heaven; and they saw the heavens opened, and two men descend from thence with great light and approach the tomb. And that stone which was put at the door rolled of itself and made way in part; and the tomb was opened, and both the young men entered in.

12 And at dawn upon the Lord's day Mary Magdalene, a disciple of the Lord, fearing because of the Jews, since they were burning with wrath, had not done at the Lord's sepulchre the things which women are wont to do for those that die and for those that are beloved by them—she took her friends with her and came to the sepulchre where he was laid. And they feared lest the Jews should see them, and they said, Although on that day on which he was crucified we could not weep and lament, yet now let us do these things at his sepulchre. But who shall roll away for us the stone that was laid at the door of the sepulchre, that we may enter in and sit by him and do the things that are due? For the stone was great, and we fear lest some one see us. And if we cannot, yet if we but set at the door the things which we bring as a memorial of him, we will weep and lament, until we come unto our home.

13 And they went and found the tomb opened, and coming near they looked in there; and they see there a certain young man sitting in the midst of the tomb, beautiful and clothed in a robe exceeding bright; who said to them, Wherefore are ye come? Whom seek ye? Him that was crucified? He is risen and gone. But if ye believe not, look in and see the place

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where he lay, that he is not [here]; for he is risen and gone thither, whence he was sent. Then the women feared and fled.

So Lord's Day here represents the 1st day of the week, the resurrection of Yeshua.
 
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I would like to point out how in Rev 1;10 people say that Lord's Day is refering to the day of the lord as in Jugdement- In the
THE LOST GOSPEL ACCORDING TO PETER
A Gnostic pseudopigagraphic work from the 2nd century. I would not take anything in there seriously.

As to its use of Lord's Day to mean sunday, I would take that as evidence that the early church fathers of the early 2nd century already had spread that lie.
 
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A Gnostic pseudopigagraphic work from the 2nd century. I would not take anything in there seriously.

As to its use of Lord's Day to mean sunday, I would take that as evidence that the early church fathers of the early 2nd century already had spread that lie.
There're many Apocrypha books which say to keep both days Holy, and Rome could not have part in it, because if they did, they would not conclude the Sabbath keeping part, history even teaches that both days were being kept by 2nd Century believers, what is your problem with Sunday, if i may ask? It is the resurrection of our Lord Yeshua.
 
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what is your problem with Sunday, if i may ask? It is the resurrection of our Lord Yeshua.
I have no problem with Sunday, except when it comes to calling Sunday either "Sabbath" or "day of the Lord." It is neither. It is the first day of the week. And yes - it is Resurrection Day.
 
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I have no problem with Sunday, except when it comes to calling Sunday either "Sabbath" or "day of the Lord." It is neither. It is the first day of the week. And yes - it is Resurrection Day.
There is history of both days being observed, you wrote; And yes - it is Resurrection Day.

So it is a special day seeing our Lord resurrected on it.

I believe I provided a good argument, for both days & how both should be observed, the Hebrew Roots Movement, has people so against the observance of Sunday, and has put blinders over the eyes of men.
 
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There is nether Greek or Jew in the kingdom.

>>> What does Paul mean by this though? Does it mean we are no longer to have different races with racial distinctions and separations? Manifestly no.

Rom_9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: (KJV)

Paul is especially concerned about his race's salvation.

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom_2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom_2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: (KJV)

There remains a type fo Israelite supremacy in the New Covenant. The Gospel was to go to the Israelites first and then to the rest of the nations because they remain God's biological chosen people. Which is why when Yeshua establishes his Millennial Reign and then the New Heavens and the New Earth, Jerusalem will be the world's capital.

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. (KJV)

The Jewish race has an advantage over other races.

Rev 21:24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it,
Rev 21:25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there.
Rev 21:26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. (ESV)

Here we see a detailed example of racial and national distinctions and separations with their borders being maintained in the Kingdom:

Isa 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
Isa 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Isa 19:21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
Isa 19:22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
Isa 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance. (KJV)

Even in the Kingdom national and ethnic distinctions and separations with their own governments.

Tit 1:12 One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons."
Tit 1:13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, (ESV)

Paul made a racial slur.

Jas_1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.


Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: (KJV)

Israel with its Tribes still exists and they are still important.

"[. . .]

2. The traditional Racialist explanation for the origin of the 3 human races is that Yahuwah sovereignly caused Shem, Ham and Japheth to be born with their distinct race’s characteristics. Distinct race and ethnicity was intended by God before Babel, thus it was not a consequence of sin. Just as God sovereignly caused the peoples of Genesis 11 to speak different languages he caused these racial traits between Shem, Ham and Japheth. The Pseudo-Biblical Christian Right has no explanation as to how the races came to be. If they admit that Shem, Ham and Japheth are the Fathers of the 3 great races, they must admit this was Yahuwah’s design because these men were born before the flood. They must also then admit that their integration policies are thereby destroying Yahuwah’s original design and will.

3. Also, the Bible says that after the flood, yet before the Tower of Babel [9], Yahuwah divided the earth in the days of Peleg.[10] Thus God’s intention for man to be separate was not a result of the sins at Babel. It was God’s intention all along, just like distinct races were intended by God all along.

4. Yahuwah’s curse of [Canaan
and his blessing Shem and Japheth] [11] proves that Yahuwah is a Racialist and that he does not affirm Universal Equality.

[. . .]

6. As a general principle, Israel served as an example of nationhood that the rest of the nations were supposed to emulate.[12] In Deut. 17 rulers were to be chosen among the ethnicity of Israel.[13] In Deut. 23 we are faced with heavy racial prioritization in Israel’s assemblies. Non-Israelites were called strangers or sojourners and were to be treated with courtesy and fairness.[14] However, so far from proclaiming the merits of diversity, Yahuwah proclaimed that he would send foreigners to sap the wealth of Israel if they disobeyed him.[15]

7. Yahuwah denied the principles of universal equality among mankind when he ordained ethnic Israel, the Hebrew race, as his chosen people, above the peoples of other nations.[16] This supremacy is recognized in the Renewed Covenant as well.[17]

8. The Greek word for nation in both the Tanach and the Renewed Covenant is ethnos. This is at the root of our wordethnicity. Ethnicity has been the foundational principle upon which all human nationhood has been understood. How else do you define a nation without an ethnic group of people living upon a specific geographical location?[18]

9. In Romans 9:3 the apostle Rav Shaul proclaims his abiding racialism stating, “For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh”. And again at 16:7 “Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Messiah before me.” And again at 16: 21 “Timothy my fellow worker greets you, and so do Lucius and Jason and Sosipater, my kinsmen”.

10. We read in Rev. 21:24 “the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it (heavenly Jerusalem): and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.” Here we have the existence of distinct nations, thus distinct ethnicities in the time of the news heavens and the new earth! Messiah did not come to heal these supposed fractures in humankind. These distinctions are indicative of a Utopia, not of decline. Moreover, if Yah intended for the Renewed Covenant to abrogate the principles of Gen. 9-11, and the people at Pentecost to amalgamate into one body politic, then he would have caused them to start speaking one language, as in the days of the Tower of Babel. BUT HE DIDN’T!

11. If someone argued that our resurrected body will not have a distinct race I wonder, is it not going to have a distinct gender? If not, how is this not blatant Neoplatonism and Gnosticism? This is one of my many curiosities into the Gnostic essence of Christian Theology.

12. The great Puritan Matthew Poole, in his Synopsis Criticorum, the greatest synopsis of all Biblical commentaries in the history of the world, affirmed the existence of other sub-races besides the one human race, in The Exegetical Labors of the Reverend Matthew Poole Translated by the Rev. Steven Dilday, Volume 1: Genesis 1-9, “The Greeks recognize Iapetus, that is, Japheth, as the originator of their race[19]…And if it is likely that the Assyrians deified Nimrod, a foreigner, by the name of Jupiter Belus, why would not the Libyans also consecrate Ham, the progenitor of their own race, by the name Jupiter Hammon?”[20]

Some try to use Malachi 2:10 to avoid the existence of distinct races but the verse is clearly talking about the Hebrew tribe and their specific ordination from their Father Abraham. It has nothing to do with Universalism or Cosmopolitanism.

13. The Christian Doctrine of the Trinity is connected to Communism.[21] The Triune God doctrine teaches an absolute egalitarianism with no private property to buttress the Absolute Simplicity of the divine essence.

14. If the book of Galatians destroyed ethnic distinctions, then it by definition destroyed nations, the ethnos. The Neoplatonic and Eastern Orthodox principle of Huperousia is connected to this. You lose your distinction as a race. You are dissolved. This is monad thinking, it is connected to the Philosophy and the Politics of the late Roman Empire which the Catholic Church inherited after Rome’s Fall.

15. In recent history, Multiculturalism resulted in intense racial conflict in Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union, Chechnya, Abkhazia, Bosnia, Dagestan, and Czechoslovakia. It is fomenting massive hatred and violence in this country. Will we see race war? The famous Thomas Sowell is even convinced we will.

16. The anti-racists have no explanation for the huge supremacy Jews and especially white Europeans have with the history of technology and economics. The Asians are also advanced but the Africans have done nothing but infuse cultural degeneration in Western Civilization. They couldn’t even figure out how to build a sea worthy vessel or a bridge before they left Africa. Obviously the differences in these peoples are real and obviously the races are not equal in intellectual ability.

17. Gen. 9-11 lays the groundwork for all of the Bible and human life. The Renewed Covenant does not need to speak to racial issues, just like it does not speak to Consanguinity, Bestiality, etc. These issues were dealt with in the Torah and do not need to be repeated in the Renewed Covenant. That is why Paul does not mention racial issues much.

18. Schwertley is operating off of a conflation between church and state. One-ness in Messiah refers to religion and spirituality. Our racialism pertains to the secular realm (which is not free form religious influence but logically distinct and functionally distinct).

19. The word Racism is used 19 times in Schwertley’s work. A term that he cannot use because he believes there is only one race. (P.S. The term racist is communist.[22]) Therefore, according to him, there does not even exist anything called interracial marriage because there is only one race.

20. In Gal 3:28 Rav Shaul was simply stating that race or gender does not bar one from entering the Covenant of Abraham, via Messiah. Theonomy Resources nor Schwertley answer the problem with the male and female. If this passage is doing away with racial distinctions it is doing away with gender distinctions. It follows very clearly then that women can become Elders and marry each other. This is why liberal denominations have flourished so well in our post racial society: by taking these anti-racial interpretations of Rav Shaul and the Law. Be consistent guys; Let women be preachers and let gays marry. That is the consistent logical implication of your beliefs. Also this passage would only speak to those who are in Messiah. What of those outside of him? Do they get de-racialized because of Messiah too? Do we have the Eastern Orthodox Christus Victor Universal atonement raising its head here? Thus, the context here is not secular and racial. It is ecclesiastical. Yehoshuwah dissolves the significance of race as it regards covenant status. He does not dissolve race itself. Thus the Christian anti-racist position conflates substance with mode and circumstance.

21. Theonomy Resources repeats the confusion that Kinism means you hate people because they are a different race than you are. I am still waiting for the argument why that is the case. I don’t believe it. I am also still waiting for the logical connection between being friends with people of other races and an obligation to miscegenation with them.

22. The anti-racist position operates off of a Plotinian dialectic. Why do they give us only the options of Universalism or Sectarian racial hatred? Why can’t the tribes remain separate in order to keep the peace between the races?

23. The anti-racists have no answer to the anti-white violence whites have suffered recently in modern civilization.[23]

24. The anti-racist Christian position is overly unrealistic and most importantly, unbiblical regarding group relations. The Torah, which Messiah clearly stated he did not come to abolish[24], protected Israel tribally by demanding Israel to distinguish between personal dynamics and group dynamics. Lev. 19:17-18, which is substantially repeated in Luke 6:27-36 and Mat. 5:43-44 which teaches us to love our personal enemies; that is, those who have personal grievances with us or we with them. However, with reference to group dynamics, Yah commanded Israel to be ruthlessly vengeful with those groups of people who were historical threats to Israel whether they were foreign or domestic.[25]

25. Brian Schwertley thought he had refuted the Kinist position when he listed many passages in the Bible that defend the proposition that Yah allowed the Absorption of Non-Jews into the Covenant People with Full Rights as God’s People. The problem is we are not talking about people being absorbed into our race. We are talking about the destruction of the Japhethite race.

26. Ephesians 2 and the middle wall is not talking about the Ceremonial Law. This is Christian mythology. It is not referring to the ceremonial law.[26]" (26 Theses in Defense of Ethnic Nationalism and Westphalian Sovereignty)

The anti-Kinist position is not biblical but is Marxist Commuism, plain and simple.
 
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history even teaches that both days were being kept by 2nd Century believers,

Actually both days were kept into the 5th century.

Church historian Eusebius writing circa 300 ad said the Jewish believers known as the Sect of Nazoreans were heretics because they looked and acted like Jews; similar to modern day Messianic Judaism. Even though he admitted their doctrine was orthodox, he made sure they were NOT invited to the church council of Nicea in 325 ad.

Eusebius "Heresy of the Ebionites"
 
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