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The Lords Day and the Sabbath

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I am frightfully confused about this.

So Sunday is the Lords day as it is the 1st day of the week? The day Jesus was resurrected?

Saturday is the Sabbath?

Why do we no longer follow the Sabbath? Is it a commandment under the Law, or which we no longer need to obey? Or are we all ignoring it?

It speaks in Hebrews of the Lord Rest? Is this telling us to observe the Sabbath? Its in the New Testament afterall so were are meant to observe it. Three weeks now, probably longer this has puzzled me.

Also what are we meant to do to observe it. Its just I always classed it a Sunday until recently.

Help!
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I am frightfully confused about this.

So Sunday is the Lords day as it is the 1st day of the week? The day Jesus was resurrected?

Saturday is the Sabbath?

Why do we no longer follow the Sabbath? Is it a commandment under the Law, or which we no longer need to obey? Or are we all ignoring it?

It speaks in Hebrews of the Lord Rest? Is this telling us to observe the Sabbath? Its in the New Testament afterall so were are meant to observe it. Three weeks now, probably longer this has puzzled me.

Also what are we meant to do to observe it. Its just I always classed it a Sunday until recently.

Help!
Thank you :)
1 Corinthians 15.20 shows that the Lord Jesus is the firstfruits of them that slept. He is the fulfilment of the feast of firstfruits in the Old Testament. The Sabbath is part of the law; but the law was changed (Hebrews 7.12) and what we now have is better than the law (Hebrews 7.19).
 
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So Sunday is the Lords day as it is the 1st day of the week? The day Jesus was resurrected?
No. The "Lord's Day," or rendered another way, "Day of the Lord," is a day of judgement and destruction. While the English translators have made a distinction, grammatically there is no difference (even in English). John was in the Spirit on "The Day of the Lord." The day he saw the coming judgements and destruction.
Saturday is the Sabbath?
Indeed it is. And the Sabbath is a sign between God and the physical sons of Israel. (Ex 31.17) Are you Jewish?
If so, it is required of you.
If not, you are welcomed to celebrate and reap the benefits; but it is not required.
Also what are we meant to do to observe it.
The main thing is to cease from your normal work and to focus on the Lord.

Since this is the Assembly of God forum, I strongly encourage you to seek out one of the A/G affiliated Messianic synagogues for more guidance. I am sure your district or state board can get you in contact with them.
 
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I am Pentecostal if I have to class myself as a denomination. Was baptised in a Pentecostal church and attend one but I would rather not think of denominations I watched a few videos on you tube and it brought out this out as an issue, one an anticatholic video and a few made by a 7th day adventist. Thank you for yr reply.
I am still not fully at ease whether I should be observing it or not. I shall pray on it. X
 
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I am Pentecostal if I have to class myself as a denomination. Was baptised in a Pentecostal church and attend one but I would rather not think of denominations I watched a few videos on you tube and it brought out this out as an issue, one an anticatholic video and a few made by a 7th day adventist. Thank you for yr reply.
I am still not fully at ease whether I should be observing it or not. I shall pray on it. X
1 Corinthians 15.20: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

The Resurrection corresponds with the Old Testament Feast of Firstfruits. Now in the Lord Jesus we have the glorious fulfilment of the types and shadows of the Old Testament. The Sabbath (Saturday) was part of the system of the law, and the law was changed (Hebrews 7.12) and what we now have is better than the law (Hebrews 7.19).
 
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'Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink,or with regard to a religious festival,a new moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things to come,the reality,however,is found in Christ' (Col.2:16-17)
 
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This is an interesting thread; in these modern times, people often have to work on Sundays which means they miss out on Sunday worship. I know that Eric Liddell, the runner from Chariots of Fire fame, wouldn't run on a Sunday because he felt that it would go against everything that was precious to him, which made it, I believe, right for him and God honoured him for it. But it may not necessarily be right for someone who had other commitments on Sunday...
Many churches now have midweek services for people who cannot attend on Sundays.
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In England there are 'messy churches' with children. Regular midweek communion services, and Saturday evening prayer at 4.30pm (St Ann's Church Manchester)

I am interested to hear your comments.
 
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Many churches now have midweek services for people who cannot attend on Sundays.
Actually, in all the A/Gs I attended (and other pentecostal as well) had a Sunday morning, Sunday evening and a midweek (sometimes 2 midweek) services and ALL were considered mandatory.
 
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I still don't understand it but its quite an adventure to get to my church on a Sunday so am resting on a Saturday hopefully incorporating extra study and prayer in too as I was exhausted last week from not having any rest day.
 
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I still don't understand it but its quite an adventure to get to my church on a Sunday so am resting on a Saturday hopefully incorporating extra study and prayer in too as I was exhausted last week from not having any rest day.
Good on you,Sam!
 
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In the creation story in Genesis, God created everything in 6 days & on the 7th ELOHIM/GOD rested, 1 day is as a 1000yrs to Yehowah, & most believe we're around 6000yrs & Messiah shall return the 7000th yr which would represent rest/Shabbat the 1000yr reign with Messiah on thee earth, is there any books that mention such a thing? YES! An Apocrypha book of Barnabas, now if the 7000th yr is when Messiah is to come which is to be the 1000yr reign, then the 8000th yr will be the New Beginning, the 8th say was known as the first day also in some Apocrypha books, the day of Messiah's resurrection. Take a look at what this Apocrypha book says, & keep an open mind.



Chap. XV. — The False and the True Sabbath. Further,145 also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, “And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart.” (Exo_20:8; Deu_5:12) And He says in another place, “If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them.” (Jer_17:24, Jer_17:25) The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: “And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.”146 Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is147 with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth,148 saying, “Behold, to-day149 will be as a thousand years.” (Psa_90:4; 2Pe_3:8) Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man,150 and judge the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon,151 and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, “Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart.” If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things,152 we are deceived.153 Behold, therefore:154 certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness.155 Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves.156 Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” (Isa_1:13) Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead.157 And158 when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens. -- Epistle of Barnabas



This is exactly what you hear often how Yeshua will return in the 7000th yr, the only thing that has not been mentioned is the 8th day the 8000th yr the New Beginning, & how they kept both the Sabbath & Resurrection day as holy days. There're many other Apocrypha books that mention; the keeping of both the Sabbath & Lords Day which is the 1st day of the week Sunday in these Apocrypha books.



Wiki- In the first centuries, Sunday, being made a festival in honor of Christ's resurrection, received attention as a day of religious services and recreation, but seventh-day Sabbath rest (based on the Jewish Shabbat, because the earliest Christians were all Jews) was still observed by "almost all churches".[10][11] Often first-day worship (Sunday morning or Saturday night) was practiced alongside observance of seventh-day Sabbath rest[15] and was a widespread Christian tradition by the 2nd century, attested in patristic writings of the 2nd century;[16][17] over time, Sunday thus came to be known as Lord's Day. These early Christians believed that the resurrection and ascension of Christ signals the renewal of creation, making the day on which God accomplished it a day analogous to the first day of creation when God made the light. Some of these writers referred to Sunday as the "eighth day".



Wiki- The Eastern Orthodox Church distinguishes between "Sabbath" (Saturday) and "Lord's Day" (Sunday), and both continue to play a special role for the faithful. So Sunday keeping did not start with Rome, but was already being practiced by Jewish people in the 2nd Century.



8 represents a New Beginning in the bible which is like day 1 in creation, Elohim/God created the heavens & thee earth, God will then create the New Heavens & the New Earth in the 8000th yr, which will remain forever & ever!



Messiah also gives New Life to all who come to him & rest.


That makes total sense once you take of the Hebrew Roots thinking cap!
 
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I am Pentecostal if I have to class myself as a denomination. Was baptised in a Pentecostal church and attend one but I would rather not think of denominations I watched a few videos on you tube and it brought out this out as an issue, one an anticatholic video and a few made by a 7th day adventist. Thank you for yr reply.
I am still not fully at ease whether I should be observing it or not. I shall pray on it. X

The "Sabbath" is a "Type" of Jesus - In Whom we REST from our Religious activities.

The "Sabbath DAY" - i.e. Sundown Friday until Sundown Saturday was never a command for the Gentile Church
Act 15:
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Simple as that.
 
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The "Sabbath" is a "Type" of Jesus - In Whom we REST from our Religious activities.

The "Sabbath DAY" - i.e. Sundown Friday until Sundown Saturday was never a command for the Gentile Church
Act 15:
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Simple as that
. Thanks for that Bob. Correct and helpful
 
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The "Sabbath" is a "Type" of Jesus - In Whom we REST from our Religious activities.

The "Sabbath DAY" - i.e. Sundown Friday until Sundown Saturday was never a command for the Gentile Church
Act 15:
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Simple as that.
Have you ever read Isaiah 66? It says the Sabbath is for Gentile believer's, also we see how Gentile believers were keeping the Sabbath in the book of Acts- Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Also as I had mentioned the Sabbath points to the 1000yr reign with Christ & after is the 8000th yr the New Beginning.
 
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So Sunday is the Lords day as it is the 1st day of the week? The day Jesus was resurrected?
No. Linguistically, the "Lord's Day" is exactly the same as the "Day of the Lord." That is not a day of the week but refers to the day of judgement and destruction at the end of the age.

Saturday is the Sabbath?
Yes.
 
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Have you ever read Isaiah 66? It says the Sabbath is for Gentile believer's, also we see how Gentile believers were keeping the Sabbath in the book of Acts- Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Gentiles are certainly welcomed to partake in the Sabbath and its blessings; but it is not REQUIRED of them. Big difference.
 
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No. Linguistically, the "Lord's Day" is exactly the same as the "Day of the Lord." That is not a day of the week but refers to the day of judgement and destruction at the end of the age.


Yes.
The Lord's Day refers to the 1st day of the week also known as the 8th day, I will quote what I had written again for you to read, take your time & take it in.

In the creation story in Genesis, God created everything in 6 days & on the 7th ELOHIM/GOD rested, 1 day is as a 1000yrs to Yehowah, & most believe we're around 6000yrs & Messiah shall return the 7000th yr which would represent rest/Shabbat the 1000yr reign with Messiah on thee earth, is there any books that mention such a thing? YES! An Apocrypha book of Barnabas, now if the 7000th yr is when Messiah is to come which is to be the 1000yr reign, then the 8000th yr will be the New Beginning, the 8th say was known as the first day also in some Apocrypha books, the day of Messiah's resurrection. Take a look at what this Apocrypha book says, & keep an open mind.



Chap. XV. — The False and the True Sabbath. Further,145 also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, “And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart.” (Exo_20:8; Deu_5:12) And He says in another place, “If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them.” (Jer_17:24, Jer_17:25) The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: “And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.”146 Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is147 with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth,148 saying, “Behold, to-day149 will be as a thousand years.” (Psa_90:4; 2Pe_3:8) Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man,150 and judge the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon,151 and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, “Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart.” If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things,152 we are deceived.153 Behold, therefore:154 certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness.155 Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves.156 Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” (Isa_1:13) Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead.157 And158 when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens. -- Epistle of Barnabas



This is exactly what you hear often how Yeshua will return in the 7000th yr, the only thing that has not been mentioned is the 8th day the 8000th yr the New Beginning, & how they kept both the Sabbath & Resurrection day as holy days. There're many other Apocrypha books that mention; the keeping of both the Sabbath & Lords Day which is the 1st day of the week Sunday in these Apocrypha books.



Wiki- In the first centuries, Sunday, being made a festival in honor of Christ's resurrection, received attention as a day of religious services and recreation, but seventh-day Sabbath rest (based on the Jewish Shabbat, because the earliest Christians were all Jews) was still observed by "almost all churches".[10][11] Often first-day worship (Sunday morning or Saturday night) was practiced alongside observance of seventh-day Sabbath rest[15] and was a widespread Christian tradition by the 2nd century, attested in patristic writings of the 2nd century;[16][17] over time, Sunday thus came to be known as Lord's Day. These early Christians believed that the resurrection and ascension of Christ signals the renewal of creation, making the day on which God accomplished it a day analogous to the first day of creation when God made the light. Some of these writers referred to Sunday as the "eighth day".



Wiki- The Eastern Orthodox Church distinguishes between "Sabbath" (Saturday) and "Lord's Day" (Sunday), and both continue to play a special role for the faithful. So Sunday keeping did not start with Rome, but was already being practiced by Jewish people in the 2nd Century.



8 represents a New Beginning in the bible which is like day 1 in creation, Elohim/God created the heavens & thee earth, God will then create the New Heavens & the New Earth in the 8000th yr, which will remain forever & ever!



Messiah also gives New Life to all who come to him & rest.


That makes total sense once you take of the Hebrew Roots thinking cap!
 
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