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Why should i not see the sabbath rest as resting in the Lord, as opposed to saturday sabbath keeping? God promised us rest in Hebrews 4. Is that only on saturday?for all eternity after the cross God said mankind would be keeping Sabbath in the New Earth "from SABBATH to Sabbath shall ALL Mankind come before Me to worship" - Isaiah 66:23
Is it your opinion that Isaiah is referencing Hebrews 4???
Rest from sin. [1 John 3:4 KJB] The 'rests' are not opposed. It is not either/or. It is both/and.Why should i not see the sabbath rest as resting in the Lord, as opposed to saturday sabbath keeping? God promised us rest in Hebrews 4. Is that only on saturday?
What rest did the Lord promise here?
Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
So why did God need to speak of another day? Why wasnt the already established saturday sabbath not enough? And why was that other day called "today"?
They are not apposed, sure i might agree. Which one however is needed? both? Which one does God want me to enter into? If you say both i will need to bow out. I dont wish to reargue acts 15 and all that, yet again, after so many others have already done so.Rest from sin. [1 John 3:4 KJB] The 'rests' are not opposed. It is not either/or. It is both/and.
Technically it is 'the seventh day the sabbath' [God's time and nomination], not 'Saturday' [pagan name and devils time].
He is Perfect and Knows always exactly what to say and when.So why did God need to speak of another day?
At the appointed time, and as long as Yahweh says so,Why wasnt the already established saturday sabbath not enough?
WHO said it is "that other day" ??? as if a different day of the week.And why was that other day called "today"?
One cannot be kept without the other.They are not apposed, sure i might agree. Which one however is needed? both? Which one does God want me to enter into? If you say both i will need to bow out. I dont wish to reargue acts 15 and all that, yet again, after so many others have already done so.
As Jesus told Martha, remember ? Leave Mary alone, for she has chosen the one thing that is important.Which one however is needed?
You don't mean that Martha had to physically stop working to enter into spiritual resting, like Mary ... could you ??!??? could you !!???!??As Jesus told Martha, remember ? Leave Mary alone, for she has chosen the one thing that is important.
WONDERFUL !
LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN
Stop hardening your heart, IF you hear His Voice, and LISTEN to JESUS.
Like Mary who chose the one thing that is needed and good - sit at JESUS' FEET and listen.
I been down this road before. The examples of gentiles in Acts observing sabbath is not a good one. Those were unconverted people, not yet christian. I can see where this is going. Its been nice chatting with you. Peace.One cannot be kept without the other.
Acts 15 -
They were already keeping Sabbath, so why the need to tell them to obey that which they already obeyed? See Acts [you know like 'good works' through living faith]:
Acts 13:14 KJB - But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Acts 13:27 KJB - For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Acts 13:42 KJB - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 KJB - And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
As it was foretold in Isaiah 56:1-8; Amos 9:11-12, etc. The council already acknowledges that the Gentiles were meeting on Sabbath and would hear the word of God read:
Acts 15:21 KJB - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Amen.As Jesus told Martha, remember ? Leave Mary alone, for she has chosen the one thing that is important.
WONDERFUL !
LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN
Stop hardening your heart, IF you hear His Voice, and LISTEN to JESUS.
Like Mary who chose the one thing that is needed and good - sit at JESUS' FEET and listen.
Exactly what day is that?
Exactly what day is that?
Ok, thanks.As said above the other day is in reference to the rest of the Gospel as shown in the previous post
The other day is the Gospel of Christ as shown above in Hebrews 4:6-10
INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:8 Indeed, to them, Joshua had given rest not anyhow anbout another would he have spoken after this day
The scriptures as shown above already are comparing the SABBATH rest to the Gospel rest of FAITH saying you cannot have one without the other. NO FAITH NO REST. No Gospel rest no Sabbath rest. The other day is in reference to the coming of Christ and the rest found in him through faith.
Continuing after v8
INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:9 So then there remains A SABBATH REST <SABBATISMOS> TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD
HEBREWS 4:10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hope this helps..
I mean, you know, really. What if the council had sent out a letter [and prophets confirming] that said, "Hey, stop murdering [in all it means] people!", when no one was?One cannot be kept without the other.
Acts 15 -
They were already keeping Sabbath, so why the need to tell them to obey that which they already obeyed? See Acts [you know like 'good works' through living faith]:
Acts 13:14 KJB - But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Acts 13:27 KJB - For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Acts 13:42 KJB - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 KJB - And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
As it was foretold in Isaiah 56:1-8; Amos 9:11-12, etc. The council already acknowledges that the Gentiles were meeting on Sabbath and would hear the word of God read:
Acts 15:21 KJB - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
First realize the road you went down before (you stated) did not result in you gaining knowledge of the truth. (I wasn't there when you went down that road before , and not much is posted here about that) but the truth is that throughout history since Adam Godly goyim/gentiles , OT and NT , honored Yahweh's Word , TORAH, and kept the 7th Day Holy as Yahweh did on the Seventh Day when He sanctified it , set it apart , Holy.Answer this before i go, please.
I don't feel any unrest over Sabbath day keeping.First realize the road you went down before (you stated) did not result in you gaining knowledge of the truth. (I wasn't there when you went down that road before , and not much is posted here about that) but the truth is that throughout history since Adam Godly goyim/gentiles , OT and NT , honored Yahweh's Word , TORAH, and kept the 7th Day Holy as Yahweh did on the Seventh Day when He sanctified it , set it apart , Holy.
Now, the day , per se, is not a day of the week at issue.
see the topic/ meaning/ subject at the beginning of chapter 4:
Hebrews 4 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Men failed in the past to find God’s rest: let us not fail!
4 1-4 Now since the same promise of rest is offered to us today, let us be continually on our guard that none of us even looks like failing to attain it. For we too have had a Gospel preached to us, as those men had. Yet the message proclaimed to them did them no good, because they only heard and did not believe as well. It is only as a result of our faith and trust that we experience that rest.
How was anyone saved ? By faith. Trusting Obedience. Relying on Yahweh.
So the command / warning in Hebrews: STOP hardening your hearts as they did when they rebelled.
Same message TODAY (every day).
We are in the NC now.
Hebrews speaks of a day that is not Saturday.
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