The little horn

[jgr]

What did Luther think about the Jews?

How are you defining "Jews"?

1. DNA
2. Culture
3. Religion

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[Douggg]

How are you defining "Jews"?

1. DNA
2. Culture
3. Religion

?

Some who's mother is a Jew. You can go to any Judaism site and read that is how they define who is a Jew. Judaism btw means religion of the Jews. I asked that of a countermissionary rabbi and that is what he told me.

You should be asking your question of John Calvin and Martin Luther - they said they had many discussions with Jews.

 

[jgr]

Some who's mother is a Jew. You can go to any Judaism site and read that is how they define who is a Jew. Judaism btw means religion of the Jews. I asked that of a countermissionary rabbi and that is what he told me.

You should be asking your question of John Calvin and Martin Luther - they said they had many discussions with Jews.

Jews were the last things on their minds in the throes of the Reformation. Defying and surviving the apostate papacy was the priority. Many thousands didn't make it.

 

[Douggg]

Jews were the last things on their minds in the throes of the Reformation. Defying and surviving the apostate papacy was the priority. Many thousands didn't make it.

Your hero John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake., because Servetus was critical of some of Calvin's theological ideas.

The reformers did a lot of good things. They also did a lot of bad things. The reformers' eschatology and understanding of the concept of the Antichrist was off.

 

[jgr]

Your hero John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake., because Servetus was critical of some of Calvin's theological ideas.

The reformers did a lot of good things. They also did a lot of bad things. The reformers' eschatology and understanding of the concept of the Antichrist was off.

Their bad things did not begin to compare to the bad things done to them.

Their eschatology was unerringly accurate and timely.

Your freedom to disparage them is in no small part due to their faith and sacrifice.

 

[Douggg]

Their bad things did not begin to compare to the bad things done to them.

Their eschatology was unerringly accurate and timely.

Your freedom to disparage them is in no small part due to their faith and sacrifice.

Freedom of speech in the society I live in, the United States, is because our constitution was founded by persons who's forefathers had left the reformers's England/European system to seek religious freedom in another land.

 

[jgr]

Freedom of speech in the society I live in, the United States, is because our constitution was founded by persons who's forefathers had left the reformers's England/European system to seek religious freedom in another land.

Were they being burned at the stake?

Or subjected to mass extermination?

As the Reformers had been?

 

[Douggg]

Were they being burned at the stake?

Or subjected to mass extermination?

As the Reformers had been?

How did Martin Luther and John Calvin die? Were they burned at the stake?

 

[jgr]

How did Martin Luther and John Calvin die? Were they burned at the stake?

No. But many others were.

And that is a list of only leaders.

Your turn to answer my questions in post #47.

 

[RACarvalho]

Think. Satan's power is not limited to the boundary of the empire. It is far more than that and he does not need a government to accomplish his goal. Its people.

Who says it is limited?
I'm not making any assumptions but following what is written: That the Devil uses the pagan leadership of the world against Gods people.

Now you want to deal with the vision of Ram and He Goat? Not the beasts? Sigh.. I have heard all of that before. And it is not accurate on who you think they represent. Before I say who they represents let me ask you... what do the horns upon the ram represent. The longer one that comes out last. What does that means? Don't tell me that you are trying to look through the history book, are you?

Here I'm just responding to your request to identify in the Bible where the Bible says what the horns are.... Just responding your question and not creating another subject.

White horse of Revelation 6? What are you doing? What happened with the subject about little horn? I think you are jumping around with many too subjects at once. Slow down. Focus on the subjects we are dealing on now. Thank you.

I'm just giving another example on how History fulfills prophecy.
We can find in history all the symbols and events of Revelation up to Revelation 16:13.
My point is that Historicism is the right way to interpret the prophecies for we already have 1000s of years of prophecy fulfilled to prove that.

 

[RACarvalho]

Obviously, you have not checked with the rest of Scripture. This is how you do your homework:

Using your same interpretation, do You think Jesus is a beast?

For the first beast in Daniels dream is a Lion and Jesus is also called the Lion of Judah....
The meaning of a symbol in PROPHECY is given when the symbol is used and identified first time in a PROPHECY. If that symbol later is used in a different context, it doesn't mean the PROPHETIC meaning had changed, like the lion symbol above....
The law of first mention....

 

[RACarvalho]

Why are you calling President Obama, Senator Obama?

You don't get the point of my question do you?

I really don't know what you are talking about....
Who mentioned Obama?

 

[RACarvalho]

People often do that in Revelation 17:10, the heads represents 7 kings in the text, but they take kings and make that as a metaphor for something else, as RACavalho has done.

In the interpretation of the Nabucodonossor statue dream, Daniel clearly says to Nabocodonossor "after you comes another king..." when Daniel starts to explain the next metal in the statue BUT what happened in History was not that Babylon fell when Nabucodonossor died but Nabucodonossor son took over the kingdom then after him his grand son took over and his grandson was the one that fell to the Mede/Persians...
So according to your interpretation that we should keep kings, Daniel prophecy failed !!!
Unless, what Daniel mean when he said "King" was a dynasty and not a single person....

 

[claninja]

It is implied because there are ten kings in power the day when Jesus returns.

Just trying to clarify, so because the beast has 10 horns, with no mention of 3 being plucked up, it should then be implied that the 3 horns are immediately replaced?

 

[Douggg]

I really don't know what you are talking about....
Who mentioned Obama?

I was using him as an example of a person in different roles. Senator is different than President.

Similar to the little horn is different from being the Antichrist, although it will be the same person.

As the little horn, the person will be the king of the Roman Empire of the end times. As the Antichrist the person will be the King of Israel for a short time.

 

[Douggg]

Just trying to clarify, so because the beast has 10 horns, with no mention of 3 being plucked up, it should then be implied that the 3 horns are immediately replaced?

In Revelation, after the person has become the beast, there are ten kings that rule with him.

Differently, when he first starts out as the little horn in Daniel 7, before the 7 years even start, it is then that he removes of 3 of ten kings.

So it is implied that the 3 kings he removes at the start of his time will be replaced by the time he becomes the beast.

It is critical to pay attention to what role the person is in at any particular time on the timeline. As the little horn, the person is the 7th king of the Roman Empire of the end times. Since we don't know the exact title of the position, I would for now just refer to him as the leader of the EU.

Then later, as the beast, the same person is the 8th king of the Roman Empire of the end times, i.e. the leader of the EU. The EU will be his kingdom. Although he will have power over the world.

 

[Douggg]

In the interpretation of the Nabucodonossor statue dream, Daniel clearly says to Nabocodonossor "after you comes another king..." when Daniel starts to explain the next metal in the statue BUT what happened in History was not that Babylon fell when Nabucodonossor died but Nabucodonossor son took over the kingdom then after him his grand son took over and his grandson was the one that fell to the Mede/Persians...
So according to your interpretation that we should keep kings, Daniel prophecy failed !!!
Unless, what Daniel mean when he said "King" was a dynasty and not a single person....

In the KJV in Daniel, the only King mentioned in the statue is Nebuchadnezzar. After him, it speaks of follow up "Kingdom" to his, not king.

38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Perhaps you are using a different translation?

No, it is not talking about dynasty's of kings, but kingdoms. To know who the kings are being referred to in Daniel 2:44, a person has to go to Daniel 7:24 and those ten kings to know that the ten toes represent the kings in the statue dream who will be in power when God sets up the everlasting kingdom here on earth.

 

[claninja]

In Revelation, after the person has become the beast, there are ten kings that rule with him.

Douggg, I'm still trying to follow you here. So it seems you believe the beast of revelation is the little horn of Daniel 7 BUT AFTER he has uprooted 3 kings. So do you believe the 10 kings from that the beast of revelation that rule with the beast are the SAME OR DIFFERENT as the 10 kings from the 4th beast in Daniel 7?

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, I'm still trying to follow you here. So it seems you believe the beast of revelation is the little horn of Daniel 7 BUT AFTER he has uprooted 3 kings. So do you believe the 10 kings from that the beast of revelation that rule with the beast are the SAME OR DIFFERENT as the 10 kings from the 4th beast in Daniel 7?

The ten kings in Revelation are "essentially" the ten kings of Daniel 7, but three of the original ten in Daniel 7 get removed and replaced before the person become the beast.

The original ten in Daniel 7 come to power and the little horn comes to power at the same time. That's the next big timeline event.

Some sort of initial power struggle takes place and three of the ten get removed, and replaced.

The removal and replacement is likely to take place before Gog/Magog or the 7 years begin.

 

[claninja]

The ten kings in Revelation are "essentially" the ten kings of Daniel 7, but three of the original ten in Daniel 7 get removed and replaced before the person become the beast.

scripture does not say this. You appear to be making an assumption.

The original ten in Daniel 7 come to power and the little horn comes to power at the same time. That's the next big timeline event.

another assumption.

The removal and replacement is likely to take place before Gog/Magog or the 7 years begin.

another guess