The line of Cain survived the Flood

razeontherock said:

Not true, plenty lived longer than that after the flood. the 120 years was given as a "divine countdown." If mankind didn't repent in 120 years -

Judgment by Flood.

And the rest is history.

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Phoebe Ann said:

Serpent Seed people are full of accusations. To declare that some humans descend from Satan with absolutely nothing to back up such nonsense is totally wrong, but you try to jump on another person saying that they are not Christlike.

1. just more accusations ... never mind all the accusing you're doing ... just wow!

2. according to you they gave no evidence ...

3. it's NOT Christlike to attack those who aren't here to defend themselves ... that's called going behind someone's back ... not Christianity ... if I'm mistaken, show me a scripture saying otherwise ...


You claimed to be gone, but unless you were interested in what was being discussed, you wouldn't know that anyone mentioned Shepherd's Chapel.

okay, let's all be children here and spell things out to the detail ... you're right ... bad is me ... I was reading and not posting

I don't consider myself in charge of another's conversion. But I am called to declare what is true. And if something is false, the Christian needs to be bold enough to say so.

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Phoebe Ann said:

Unlike unapologetic Identity preachers, Murray doesn't condone or suggest violence against the "Kenites." "Let's get one thing straight, coming out the gate. Are you saying we should hate Judah? That would be stupid indeed," he says in one recorded sermon. Instead, Murray encourages followers to focus their energy on identifying and avoiding Kenites, claiming an end-times event will "take care" of them. In "Kenites," a widely distributed audio sermon, he claims this teaching comes directly from Jesus. Murray uses the New Testament parable of the "tares," a bitter weed that Jesus warns can grow hidden in wheat fields and go unnoticed till harvest. Murray likens the tares to the Kenites, adding, "The angels will take care of the tares — the tares are taken together in the fire — that's the end of the world — that's how it's going to be."

bla, bla, bla ... same ole, same ole ... more accusations ... no proof ... not saying there's no shred of truth in all that or that there is ... saying you don't show him saying it ... so ... whatever ... nothing more than heresay ... more 'Christian' behavior ... no ... it's gossip ...

For Murray, the end of the world isn't an abstraction. The 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption that happened during the week of Pentecost led him to proclaim the Antichrist would return in 1981. Murray's resolve has only hardened during the 27 years since that prophecy failed to come true. He dismisses his critics as "numbskulls," "Bible-thumpers" and "yo-yos."

wow! now there's some heavy duty proof for ya ... 27 years ago he 'apparently' said this ... I wouldn't know ... I've been studying with him 5 years ... so 27 years ago he might have said this ... it may be true ... but wait ... no proof ... again ... so, assuming he did say it ... one can't make a mistake :o ... oh, wait ... that's right ... Jesus brought grace for that ... I would venture to say he's made a few more since then ... but then I would say the same about all pastors ... good grief! 27 years ago ... well, there's some heavy duty proof for you that everything he's taught since is a lie ...

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lilmissmontana said:

you haven't declared anything true ... you've declared what you 'perceive' to not be true ...

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lilmissmontana said:

called to be bold and declare what is true has more with putting the Truth out there than it does one's ability to debunk others ... call it what you want ... all I see is a bunch of what amounts to pot stirring ... you haven't offered a shred of anything to disprove anything ... you're strategy is to ask questions to prove ... so' apparently, it's guilty until you can prove your innocent' .

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lilmissmontana said:

and no one can do that to your satisfaction ... not hard to see why you can't get anyone to 'discuss' with you' ... no mystery at all ... the difference between being on trial and discussion ... with discussion, no one is on trial ... declaring something false isn't done by making someone prove and reprove ... it's offering up the thing that will disprove

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lilmissmontana said:

...that man layed down his life in Korea to defend these people's right to slander him repeatedly

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lilmissmontana said:

Phoebe Ann ... for the most part I was kind of thinking you had a little more going on than those who were just here to point fingers ... my mistake ... you could have addressed the part about discussion without going into judgement of Arnold Murray ... but you didn't

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lilmissmontana said:

... but I do have an interest in what others say about the man I study with ... that man layed down his life in Korea to defend these people's right to slander him repeatedly ...

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lilmissmontana said:

[Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann]
Unlike unapologetic Identity preachers, Murray doesn't condone or suggest violence against the "Kenites." "Let's get one thing straight, coming out the gate. Are you saying we should hate Judah? That would be stupid indeed," he says in one recorded sermon. Instead, Murray encourages followers to focus their energy on identifying and avoiding Kenites, claiming an end-times event will "take care" of them. In "Kenites," a widely distributed audio sermon, he claims this teaching comes directly from Jesus. Murray uses the New Testament parable of the "tares," a bitter weed that Jesus warns can grow hidden in wheat fields and go unnoticed till harvest. Murray likens the tares to the Kenites, adding, "The angels will take care of the tares — the tares are taken together in the fire — that's the end of the world — that's how it's going to be."

bla, bla, bla ... same ole, same ole ... more accusations ... no proof ... not saying there's no shred of truth in all that or that there is ... saying you don't show him saying it ... so ... whatever ... nothing more than heresay ... more 'Christian' behavior ... no ... it's gossip ...

For Murray, the end of the world isn't an abstraction. The 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption that happened during the week of Pentecost led him to proclaim the Antichrist would return in 1981. Murray's resolve has only hardened during the 27 years since that prophecy failed to come true. He dismisses his critics as "numbskulls," "Bible-thumpers" and "yo-yos."

wow! now there's some heavy duty proof for ya ... 27 years ago he 'apparently' said this ... I wouldn't know ... I've been studying with him 5 years ... so 27 years ago he might have said this ... it may be true ... but wait ... no proof ... again ... so, assuming he did say it ... one can't make a mistake ... oh, wait ... that's right ... Jesus brought grace for that ... I would venture to say he's made a few more since then ... but then I would say the same about all pastors ... good grief! 27 years ago ... well, there's some heavy duty proof for you that everything he's taught since is a lie ...

Secret Identity | Southern Poverty Law Center

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