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No, not that I can take personal credit for.Rick, your repeating yourself and not answering the question. Are you doing anything to be saved and continue in the state of being saved.
Rick, your repeating yourself and not answering the question. Are you doing anything to be saved and continue in the state of being saved.
I've never heard that before. Ever. lol
Whaddaya mean?
Actually it is not hard to obey God. But the Bible also says narrow is the way that leads into life and FEW be there that find it. OSAS is the popular wide gate path.
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It's in the bible....Actually, it is the majority belief, my friend. Most churches here in America believe in OSAS (Which is not in the Bible) ....rest snipped
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For good reason. When we accept God's gift of eternal life (Rom 6:23), we KNOW that God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29). But the "loss of salvation" ilk either ignore that fact or reject it outright.As for a person being "once saved" (or a one time acceptance of salvation) at that point in believing in Jesus and the gospel or accepting Him into your heart: Well, it means exactly that. When someone is saying they were "once saved" as a part of "always saved", they are not saying they were saved only at one point in time and then they lost it.
Another ploy by that ilk: use an example that doesn't fit anything in Scripture. Why doesn't it? Because God HATES divorce.For example: I can say, "once divorced, always divorced." Why? Because most people do not remarry the person that they divorce and they will always be divorced to that person even if they choose to remarry another person.
Not even a shred of evidence from Scripture about losing salvation by ANY choice or reason.Now can you say a person was "once saved" and then they lost their salvation by their own choice? Yes.
The continuing fallacy that "falling away" includes loss of salvation. Not any Scripture contains anything about losing salvation for those who fall away. The assumption is simply absurd.That is a truth that is taught to us in the Bible. There are many verses that talk about believers falling away.
There is no reason to disagree with eternal security, since the Bible clearly teaches it.It is one of the many reasons why I disagree with Once Saved Always Saved (or Eternal Security). ....
Nope. We're saved by grace through faith in Christ. Biblical hope is confidence that we ARE saved. Not will be saved.Saved by hope.
Hi Jason, thanks for the reply. Your the first person to answer the question. Your saying that "believing " is what takes us from unsaved to saved. Is that correct? Saying that I've done nothing, I just cant accept that as an answer. And I wasn't asking for any lost salvation scenarios in this discussion, only what we have to do to be saved.He needs to be a little more specific in what he is saying. Believe what about God's Word? Obviously, I am sure he means the gospel. But this the key ingredient or detail that needs to be there so as not confuse others (who may not know or who may take his word at face value).
While most believers repent of their sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior by way of prayer (like myself), a person can also just believe on Jesus as their Savior so as to be saved, too (See John 1:12).
As for a person being "once saved" (or a one time acceptance of salvation) at that point in believing in Jesus and the gospel or accepting Him into your heart: Well, it means exactly that. When someone is saying they were "once saved" as a part of "always saved", they are not saying they were saved only at one point in time and then they lost it.
For example: I can say, "once divorced, always divorced." Why? Because most people do not remarry the person that they divorce and they will always be divorced to that person even if they choose to remarry another person.
Now can you say a person was "once saved" and then they lost their salvation by their own choice? Yes. That is a truth that is taught to us in the Bible. There are many verses that talk about believers falling away. It is one of the many reasons why I disagree with Once Saved Always Saved (or Eternal Security).
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The question is based on the false premise that we are saved by what we do, instead of what God does.Hi Jason, thanks for the reply. Your the first person to answer the question. Your saying that "believing " is what takes us from unsaved to saved. Is that correct? Saying that I've done nothing, I just cant accept that as an answer. And I wasn't asking for any lost salvation scenarios in this discussion, only what we have to do to be saved.
thanks jay
Nope. We're saved by grace through faith in Christ. Biblical hope is confidence that we ARE saved. Not will be saved.
Acts 16:31 tells us how to be saved.
The question is based on the false premise that we are saved by what we do, instead of what God does.
John 6:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
That's right, we have no redeeming value that influences God decision to save us.Hi Fg2, would you share your understanding of Acts 16:31." Saved by Grace through Faith". We have nothing to do with the free Grace gifted to us, what about Faith? Is Faith something we must do to be saved in your understanding?
The question is based on the false premise that we are saved by what we do, instead of what God does.
John 6:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Right. Ephesians 1:4 or thereabouts, describes God electing whom to save before creation.Ok, your with Brian in that we do nothing from birth to be saved?
If you're discussing grace, you're discussing what God does. I told you what the bible says our part is.I'm not discussing what God does, (Grace). I'm asking what our part is. Please read my questions before posting on them, thanks.
The question is based on the false premise that we are saved by what we do, instead of what God does.
John 6:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
That's right, we have no redeeming value that influences God decision to save us.
You misspeak... it is not that we have 'nothing to do with the free grace gifted to us" simply by the fact we are undeserving, even unwilling recipients. It is that we have nothing to do with why, when, where, or how He decides to have mercy on us by imparting this irresistible gift.
Eph 2:8 applies....For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,Ok rick, your misrepresenting my question. the discussion between us is kind of going in circles. I appreciate your replies though. I 've got you down as we do nothing to have Salvation. I do have a point to all this, and i'll get to it when we have a consciences on what we do or not do to be Saved. I've got 2 say we do nothing and one that says we are saved by Grace through Faith. I'm just waiting for his understanding on what Faith is.
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