"The least of these..."

[Gregory Wilson]

To Lulav:
"Parables are an example." - OK, cool, so a parable would have a comparative meaning? (the seed represents the word of God).

"Yes, it is not good to make an oath because we are human and do fall. Basically I believe he was saying 'be a man of your word'. I'm sure you have been around people who automatically say things like 'i swear to god!' so causally without even thinking. If they would abide by the standard, Yes or No, they would not be held accountable at the judgement." -Sounds good.

"Yes, that was it. I was not 'forced' per se, but mercy is what she showed when Solomon announced his decision, knowing in his wisdom that the true mother would not allow her child to be killed, but would rather sacrifice by giving it to another mother who had lost her child." - Cool.

You're welcome! Yes, I think so, but not a 'mainstream' one, the majority are more in line with Christian beliefs of done away Torah ,both Jews and Gentiles, but still practice more in line with Hebrew roots. But for this forum, yes you fit in quite well!

: ) Really? I thought Messianic believers were Torah-observant. Thanks,

-Greg

 

[Gregory Wilson]

Man is not able keep an oath or vow to Jehovah/Yahweh God that is why John was sent.

John is not able to remain forever true to the oath or vow to Jehovah/Yahweh that is why Yeshua was sent.

Hello Elihoenai! Could you explain the above more? I am not understanding.

And then, what does the Genesis passage have to do with oaths/vows? Also, why the John passage?

Thank you,

Greg

 

[Gregory Wilson]

I can't agree with your last sentence. What is written in stone are the main categories. I don't think that verse is punctuated correctly either.

I think it should read. Matthew 23:23 “Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin (spices) and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith; these ought ye to have done,and not to leave the other undone.”

What he is calling the weightier matters of the law are judgment, mercy and faith.

I don't think Greg has seen my chart so I am posting it on here.
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Awesome chart! It was neat because I am writing a song about those 2 commandments - love God and love your neighbor as yourself, so this chart enforced that nicely!!

 

[Lulav]

": ) Really? I thought Messianic believers were Torah-observant. Thanks,

-Greg"


Not all, some to certain degrees, some just do things in more of a culture thing, or 'being more like Jesus' what ever suits them.
It depends on the teachings. some are more strict in keeping them, others very loose and look like an evangelical charismatic church with just different attire. You won't usually see those around here though, as I said the ones here are those who for the most part believe that G-d is the same today and he was yesterday and his laws are good and for our good. We keep them out of love not for righteousness or salvation. But you are in the right place so no worries

Awesome chart! It was neat because I am writing a song about those 2 commandments - love God and love your neighbor as yourself, so this chart enforced that nicely!!

Sounds cool, will you record it and put it up on youtube so we can hear it? I'm glad the chart helped..

 

[Elihoenai]

Hello Elihoenai! Could you explain the above more? I am not understanding.

And then, what does the Genesis passage have to do with oaths/vows? Also, why the John passage?

Thank you,

Greg

Hi

It might be that meditation in the spirit is needed.

"The least of these..."


Psalm 92:5 King James Version (KJV)

5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.



1 Corinthians 2:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.



1 Corinthians 2:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Gregory Wilson]

": ) Really? I thought Messianic believers were Torah-observant. Thanks,

-Greg"


Not all, some to certain degrees, some just do things in more of a culture thing, or 'being more like Jesus' what ever suits them.
It depends on the teachings. some are more strict in keeping them, others very loose and look like an evangelical charismatic church with just different attire. You won't usually see those around here though, as I said the ones here are those who for the most part believe that G-d is the same today and he was yesterday and his laws are good and for our good. We keep them out of love not for righteousness or salvation. But you are in the right place so no worries

Sounds cool, will you record it and put it up on youtube so we can hear it? I'm glad the chart helped..

I see... Yes! I will make a youtube video of the song, which I just finished up the details on! Will let you know when it's done. I have a good camera to make it with too.. Thanks, and God bless, Lulav.

Greg

 

[Gregory Wilson]

Hi

It might be that meditation in the spirit is needed.

"The least of these..."


Psalm 92:5 King James Version (KJV)

5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.



1 Corinthians 2:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.



1 Corinthians 2:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hey Elihoenai, thanks for your input. I've got to get off computer now, but will respond when I get the chance.

 

[Lulav]

I see... Yes! I will make a youtube video of the song, which I just finished up the details on! Will let you know when it's done. I have a good camera to make it with too.. Thanks, and God bless, Lulav.

Greg

Sounds good, I look forward to it. We have a lot of musicians here in this forum too.

 

[Gregory Wilson]

Sounds good, I look forward to it. We have a lot of musicians here in this forum too.

: ) That is cool.

 

[Gregory Wilson]

Man is not able keep an oath or vow to Jehovah/Yahweh God that is why John was sent.

John is not able to remain forever true to the oath or vow to Jehovah/Yahweh that is why Yeshua was sent.



Genesis 26:26-29 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

26 And Abimelech hath gone unto him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath his friend, and Phichol head of his host;

27 and Isaac saith unto them, `Wherefore have ye come unto me, and ye have hated me, and ye send me away from you?'

28 And they say, `We have certainly seen that Jehovah hath been with thee, and we say, `Let there be, we pray thee, an oath between us, between us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee;

29 do not evil with us, as we have not touched thee, and as we have only done good with thee, and send thee away in peace; thou [art] now blessed of Jehovah.'



John 8:18 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

18 I am [one] who is testifying of myself, and the Father who sent me doth testify of me.'



Matthew 5:36-37 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

36 nor by thy head mayest thou swear, because thou art not able one hair to make white or black;

37 but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil.

At first, are you talking about like Israel not being able to keep their side of the covenant with God? So John was sent to point the way to Jesus? I don't know if they made vows..

With Abimelech, it doesn't necessarily make it right to make an oath just because he wanted to make one... (If that was your reason for posting that episode).

Still unsure of what Jesus testifying about himself and the Father testifying of him has to do with vows?

And yup, that is the Matthew passage about not making oaths. I think maybe I'm missing something you are trying to communicate? Sorry..

Greg