The Law

[Sherha]

"The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than the honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is Thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward." Ps 19:7-11.

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word" is used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "statutes," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies." (Courtesy of Dr.R.C. Sproul)

GOD'S WORD IS HIS LAW.

The Old Testament version of being born again:

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27. When His Spirit is within us, we are empowered to obey His Word/His law.

"O how I love Thy law! It is my meditation all the day. Thou through Thy commandments have made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me." Ps 119:97,98.

"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and Thy law is truth." Ps 119:142.

"Great peace have they which love Thy law: and nothing shall offend them." Ps 119:165.

"My son, keep My words, and lay up the commandments with thee.Keep My commandments and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye." Pro 7:1,2.

"Where there is no vision the people perish: but he that keepeth the law happy is he." Pro 29:18.

"Therefore as the fire devoured the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: Because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel." Isa 5:24.

"...I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people." Jer 31:33.

"The law of truth was in His mouth, and iniquity was not found in His lips: He walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from their iniquity. (lawlessness) Mal 2:6.

When Jesus gave us The Two Greatest Commandments, He was quoting the law:

"Then on of them which was a lawyer, asked Him a question, tempting Him, and saying, Master which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. This is the first and great commandment. (Deut 6:5) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:35-40.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Rom 2:12,13.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31.

"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good...For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal sold under sin...If then I do that which I would not, I consent that the law is good...For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity which is in my members...I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Rom 7:12-27.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law and offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For He that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." Ja 2:10,11.

"Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of good conscience, and of faith unfeigned...Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." 1 Tim 1:5-7.

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

 

[Frogster]

jew and gentile could not intermarry under the law.Do we want segregation?

It was the power of sin,do we want sin?

It was added to increase sin,do we want to increase sin?

It was bondage and slavery,do we want that?

The law works wrath.do we want that?

My oh my!

 

[Stryder06]

jew and gentile could not intermarry under the law.Do we want segregation?

It was the power of sin,do we want sin?

It was added to increase sin,do we want to increase sin?

It was bondage and slavery,do we want that?

The law works wrath.do we want that?

My oh my!

It would be great to see you actually address the scriptures presented in the OP.

 

[Frogster]

As far as Romans 2:13..It is totally prooftexting to pluck out that verse,like Paul would contradict himself here..

Rom 3;20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Whaaaat paul was saying here..

13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

Was that though they HEARD the law every sab,they didn't even do it.Paul was on a diatribe against the jews there,and showing the hypocrisy of them,..and gentiles earlier in chapter 2.

Thanks.

 

[Frogster]

It would be great to see you actually address the scriptures presented in the OP.

I thought you told me in the pm,that you did not want to butt heads with me anymore,and you were praying for me?

 

[Hentenza]

It would be great to see you actually address the scriptures presented in the OP.

Quoting scripture devoid of context does not a proper theology makes. All have been addressed before in the plethora of law versus grace threads posted in many places of this site.

 

[Frogster]

Here is another prooftexted verse.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31.

Ok..we know the law is not of faith..as per here.

Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

So law which has several meanings,obviously means the ot as a whole.
Paul is saying that the OT is upheld,because in it,the very faith was spoken of in 31..He said just a few verse up.."the law and the prophets"..that is the OT as a whole,he was speaking of.Yes,in that manner the OT is upheld.

He was not saying the mosiac nomos,law..was being upheld there.He did not contradict himself.


And not only that,if you think he did meant it that way..,it is upheld as a signpost for the unsaved,,we now are not..


drum roll....roll...roll...

Rom 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

 

[mwood30]

The New Testament talks of two Laws: The Law of Moses vs. The Law of the Messiah - The King's Law.

The Jews were waiting for the Messiah - the King - to come and deliver his law: the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law. – Isaiah 42:3-4 NASB

When Jesus said, treat others the way you wanted to be treated for this is the Law, the Jews knew they heard the Law of the Messiah - the King's Law.

That's why James wrote: "If, however, you are following the King's Law which accords with the scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing well. - James 2:8 Literal Greek

And that's why Paul wrote: "Bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the Law of the Messiah. - Galatians 6:2 Literal Greek

Remember, in Galatians Paul was contrasting the Law which came 430 years later (the Law of Moses) to the Law of the Messiah (Galatians 3:17 vs. Galatians 6:2). The post that started this thread presupposes there is just one Law, which isn't true.

 

[Sherha]

Ceremonial Law:

1. Is called, the "law contained ordinances." Eph 2:15.
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3;Deut 31:24-26.
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12.
4. Was placed in the side of the Ark. Deut 31:24-26.
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14.
6. Was abolished by Christ. Eph 2:15.

Jesus came and died upon the cross, we do not need to sacrifice animals anymore.


The Ten Commandment Covenant:

1. Is called, the "royal law." Ja 2:8.
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4:12,13.
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18.
4. Was placed inside the ark: Ex 40:20;Heb 9:4.
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8.
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Matt 5:17,18.


The ceremonial law was temporary, the Ten Commandment Covenant is eternal:

The Lord said about His Covenant: "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple The Ark of His Testament: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." The only Covenant within The Ark: THE TEN COMMANDMENT COVENANT.

 

[Frogster]

Ceremonial Law:

1. Is called, the "law contained ordinances." Eph 2:15.
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3;Deut 31:24-26.
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12.
4. Was placed in the side of the Ark. Deut 31:24-26.
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14.
6. Was abolished by Christ. Eph 2:15.

Jesus came and died upon the cross, we do not need to sacrifice animals anymore.


The Ten Commandment Covenant:

1. Is called, the "royal law." Ja 2:8.
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4:12,13.
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18.
4. Was placed inside the ark: Ex 40:20;Heb 9:4.
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8.
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Matt 5:17,18.


The ceremonial law was temporary, the Ten Commandment Covenant is eternal:

The Lord said about His Covenant: "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple The Ark of His Testament: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." The only Covenant within The Ark: THE TEN COMMANDMENT COVENANT.

That is not how it worked,the law was one,it was a system.

gal 5;3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ceremonial Law:

1. Is called, the "law contained ordinances." Eph 2:15.
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3;Deut 31:24-26.
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12.
4. Was placed in the side of the Ark. Deut 31:24-26.
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14.
6. Was abolished by Christ. Eph 2:15.

Jesus came and died upon the cross, we do not need to sacrifice animals anymore.


The Ten Commandment Covenant:

1. Is called, the "royal law." Ja 2:8.
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4:12,13.
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18.
4. Was placed inside the ark: Ex 40:20;Heb 9:4.
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8.
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Matt 5:17,18.


The ceremonial law was temporary, the Ten Commandment Covenant is eternal:

The Lord said about His Covenant: "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple The Ark of His Testament: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." The only Covenant within The Ark: THE TEN COMMANDMENT COVENANT.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

[Frogster]

The old cov was abolished.The cov contained the laws.


Hebrews 10:
then he added, ‘See, I have come to do your will.’ He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.

More on the 10.WRITTEN IN STONE.


7 Now if the ministry of death, chiselled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’ face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside,


11for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

 

[Sherha]

If you do not keep The Ten Commandment Covenant, you are lawless and will not enjoy eternal life. But, first you must be born again: John 3:3-7.

The Ten Commandment Covenant is a must for Christians.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Quoting scripture devoid of context does not a proper theology makes. All have been addressed before in the plethora of law versus grace threads posted in many places of this site.

Perhaps we need a sub-board for "Lawology"

http://www.scripture4all.org/

#3544 used 9 times in 9 verses. 1 Time Matthew, 7 times in Luke, 2 times in Titus 3

Luke 11:52 "Woe to ye the Lawyers/nomikoiV <3544>, that ye take away the Key of the Knowledge, yeselves not enter and of the ones entering ye hinder/forbid'

3544. nomikos nom-ik-os' from 3551; according (or pertaining) to law, i.e. legal (ceremonially); as noun, an expert in the (Mosaic) law:--about the law, lawyer.

Strong's Number G3544 matches the Greek &#957;&#959;&#956;&#953;&#954;&#8057;&#962; (nomikos), which occurs 9 times in 9 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

 

[Fireinfolding]

If you do not keep The Ten Commandment Covenant, you are lawless and will not enjoy eternal life. But, first you must be born again: John 3:3-7.

The Ten Commandment Covenant is a must for Christians.

The law was actually made for the lawless

 

[Frogster]

On another thread,I asked for a list of the commandments some people dont keep..

I got no reply,which leads me to think they are keeping the entire Mosaic law?

Now if people want to walk in the law of Christ,which is Love God and neighbor..that is great.

Paul differentiated between the Mosaic,and that of Christ in Gal 6,and 1 cor 9.

Unless of course I get a list some time today.

Soooo..who is keeping all the commands?

 

[mwood30]

Ceremonial Law:

1. Is called, the "law contained ordinances." Eph 2:15.
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3;Deut 31:24-26.
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12.
4. Was placed in the side of the Ark. Deut 31:24-26.
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14.
6. Was abolished by Christ. Eph 2:15.

Jesus came and died upon the cross, we do not need to sacrifice animals anymore.


The Ten Commandment Covenant:

1. Is called, the "royal law." Ja 2:8.
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4:12,13.
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18.
4. Was placed inside the ark: Ex 40:20;Heb 9:4.
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8.
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Matt 5:17,18.


The ceremonial law was temporary, the Ten Commandment Covenant is eternal:

I think you took a lot of verses out of context to make your point.

James 2:8 talks about a law that accords with the scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself." And, in literal Greek, James specifically called this "the King's Law." It is Jesus' Law (Jesus, the King of Jews) who declared a Law that accords with the scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Certainly not all the ten commandments accord with that single command.

And you reference Hebrews without referencing the change in Law discussed later in the book: For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. - Hebrews 7:12

And you reference the beginning of Jesus' sermon without mentioning Jesus' startling conclusion of the sermon:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matthew 5:17-18 (the beginning of the sermon)

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets. Matthew 7:12 (the conclusion)

You are lifting verses out of passages. For example, Jesus begins his sermon on the mount by declaring the Law will remain in force forever. And then he pulls the rug out from underneath the religious rulers when he declares, "treat others the way you want to be treated, for this is the Law."

When your verse references are read 'in context' we see the Law of Christ replace the Law of Moses (including the ten commandments).

 

[Pythons]

According to the Scripture 'The Law' was simply micro-mgmt, a form of a good old fashioned spanking...........

 

[Frogster]

I think you took a lot of verses out of context to make your point.

James 2:8 talks about a law that accords with the scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself." And, in literal Greek, James specifically called this "the King's Law." It is Jesus' Law (Jesus, the King of Jews) who declared a Law that accords with the scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Certainly not all the ten commandments accord with that single command.

And you reference Hebrews without referencing the change in Law discussed later in the book: For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. - Hebrews 7:12

And you reference the beginning of Jesus' sermon without mentioning Jesus' startling conclusion of the sermon:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matthew 5:17-18 (the beginning of the sermon)

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets. Matthew 7:12 (the conclusion)

You are lifting verses out of passages. For example, Jesus begins his sermon on the mount by declaring the Law will remain in force forever. And then he pulls the rug out from underneath the religious rulers when he declares, "treat others the way you want to be treated, for this is the Law."

When your verse references are read 'in context' we see the Law of Christ replace the Law of Moses (including the ten commandments).

Interesting thoughts.

 

[Stryder06]

I thought you told me in the pm,that you did not want to butt heads with me anymore,and you were praying for me?

I don't and I am. Old habits die hard lol. Sorry.