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The Law was added until the Seed...

maco

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Galatians 3:19 What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made; and it was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.

When people read the above verse they come to the conclusion that the ten commandments were done away with when Jesus came. This is a wrong conclusion. Galatians 3:19 tells us how the Law was added BECAUSE of transgressions. In other words, people were violating these principles before they were written in stone. This means they existed prior to them being written in stone. The difference between the time the Law was given and the fall of man is the punishment (death by stoning). The Law that was added because of transgression consisted of both the principles contained in the Law and the punishment for violating the principles. This is what was until Jesus came. The principles are still standing but the punishment or curse for violating them has been placed on Jesus through His cross. This is why adultery is still a sin but there is no stoning.
 

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Greetings Maco,

I know the following is lengthy, but if you follow the train of thought this would put away all questions regarding the "added" law for all.

This of course is the moral law as you state. How could the ceremonial law be "added"? It was present when the skins were placed upon Adam and Eve. The offering of Abel was the remedial (ceremonial) law, if you will. It certainly was not put off until the Exodus. It existed since the conception of the sin of Adam and Eve.

Furthermore, the word "added" does not mean 1 + 1 in the sense we normally think it means. The law was "added" in Deut. 5:5-21 in the giving of the commandments.

Moses says in the 22nd verse, "These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice; and he ADDED nor more."

The following would solve all the problems of the "added" law, once and for all, if people were to be honest in conviction and sincerity.

"The term “added,” in this verse, is in the Septuagint exactly the same as that rendered “added” in Galatians 3:19. The Hebrew word is the same that is rendered “add” in Genesis 30:24. That it has unmistakable reference in Deuteronomy 5:22 to the moral law, and to that alone, no one can deny. I care not whether you render it “added,” “spoken,” or “promulgated’‘—it makes no difference.

In Hebrews 12:18, 19 we have unmistakable reference to the voice of God speaking the law from Sinai, and the request of the people that God should not speak to them any more (Exodus 20:18, 19), in the words, “which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more.” Here the word rendered “spoken” is the same as that rendered “added” in Galatians 3:19 and Deuteronomy 5:22.


If we chose we might render it, “they entreated that the word should not be added to them any more,” and then we would have a uniform rendering. Or we might render it uniformly “spoken,” and then we would read in Deuteronomy that the Lord spoke all those words in the mount, out of the midst of the fire, etc., with a great voice, “and He spoke no more;” and this would be the exact truth and a good rendering. And likewise for uniformity we might justly render Galatians 5:19, “it was spoken because of transgressions.”


Or we might take the word in Deuteronomy 5:22 in the same sense in which it is used in Genesis 30:24, and the same idea would appear. When Rachel said, “God shall add to me another son,” it was the same as though she had said, “God will give me another son.” So the meaning in Deuteronomy 5:22 is that after the Lord had given them the commandments recorded in the preceding verses, He gave them no more. It seems to me very reasonable to apply the term “added” to the moral law; and whether it is reasonable or not I have certainly quoted two texts besides Galatians 3:19 which apply it so.

But you cannot find in the Bible a single instance of the use of the word “added,” as applied to the ceremonial law, to substantiate your view on Galatians 3:19. Deuteronomy 5:22 plainly says that the ten commandments were spoken by the Lord, and that nothing but the ten commandments was spoken, or given, or “added.”


Galatians 3:19 tells us why they were spoken. It was because of transgressions; that is, because people were largely ignorant, of the law. We may not play upon the word “added,” and use it in a mathematical sense, but must necessarily use it in the sense of declaring or speaking. There was no more moral law after God spoke it from Sinai than there was before, but it was certainly known a great deal better than it was before, and there was less excuse for sin than there was before."



The Gospel in Galatians by E. J. Waggoner

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Every principal contained within the Ten Commandments was active prior to Sinai and every principal contained within the Ten Commandments was violated prior to Sinai even within the Garden of Eden the commandments were broken. The law being added is the same as setting rules for a teenager. The teenager already knows he shouldn't be doing what he is doing so the father lays down the law which includes the punishment for violating it.
 
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Yes, not sure what Chris was getting at, although we know that Waggoner was correct on his position since the SOP was shown he was right.

Of course the Bible itself is clear as daylight concerning the added law is the spoken law.

Not sure if I would equate the punishment for a child from the father with the broken law, since the wages of sin is death, the law being broken!

Where sin abounds grace does much more abound. The law can only convict us of sin, it does not save nor was it given as a means of salvation.

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Yes, not sure what Chris was getting at, although we know that Waggoner was correct on his position since the SOP was shown he was right.

Of course the Bible itself is clear as daylight concerning the added law is the spoken law.

Not sure if I would equate the punishment for a child from the father with the broken law, since the wages of sin is death, the law being broken!

Where sin abounds grace does much more abound. The law can only convict us of sin, it does not save nor was it given as a means of salvation.

Jake

You have to understand the difference between intrinsic and imposed consequences for sin. Intrinsic consequence is what is built into sin itself, the wages of sin is death. Imposed is the consequence of sin that God administers. Let me give you an example. As a child, if you reach for a hot stove your mother might slap your hand and say, "No!". The slap is the imposed consequence. If your mother didn't slap your hand to prevent you from touching the stove you would get a serious burn on your hand, that's intrinsic. The imposed consequence for sin was enacted at Sinai but now that grace is here through Jesus Christ the imposed consequence has been removed but the intrinsic remains.
 
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The consequence for our sins will effect our earthly existance but when we believe:


John 3:3636 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him

then we have eternal life. We will never stop sinning but even when we sin we will have eternal life because The Son Of God paid the price with His Blood to guarantee it.

I pray God's understanding thru His Holy Spirit.
 
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The consequence for our sins will effect our earthly existance but when we believe:


John 3:3636 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him

then we have eternal life. We will never stop sinning but even when we sin we will have eternal life because The Son Of God paid the price with His Blood to guarantee it.

I pray God's understanding thru His Holy Spirit.

Eternal life is in the Son, if we have the Son we have the life. We have the Son when His word abides in us then we are abuding in Him. If we don't have the Son we don't have the life.
 
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Dear Brother,

Christ was at Sinai, for He was the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8). Grace was given to Adam and Eve in the Garden. Abraham preached the gospel, "God ... preached before the gospel unto Abraham ... In thee shall all nations be blessed" (Gal. 3:8; Gen. 12:1-3).

The cross stands from Eden lost till Eden restored, Christ is ever present.

The gospel is the same today as it was when Adam sinned.

Only ONE has received the punishment for sin and that is Christ. Only one has received the wages of sin, that is Christ.

We may have received the consequences of sin, but not the punishment. Again, the punishment for the broken law is the second death, eternal death, and only Christ took that punishment for us!

We are living in the day of atonement and there will be a group that stops sinning. If we do not believe that there will be 144,000 that would rather die than stop sinning than we are saying that Satan's power to continue in sin is greater than God's power to cease from sin.

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Dear Brother,

Christ was at Sinai, for He was the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8). Grace was given to Adam and Eve in the Garden. Abraham preached the gospel, "God ... preached before the gospel unto Abraham ... In thee shall all nations be blessed" (Gal. 3:8; Gen. 12:1-3).

The cross stands from Eden lost till Eden restored, Christ is ever present.

The gospel is the same today as it was when Adam sinned.

Only ONE has received the punishment for sin and that is Christ. Only one has received the wages of sin, that is Christ.

We may have received the consequences of sin, but not the punishment. Again, the punishment for the broken law is the second death, eternal death, and only Christ took that punishment for us!

We are living in the day of atonement and there will be a group that stops sinning. If we do not believe that there will be 144,000 that would rather die than stop sinning than we are saying that Satan's power to continue in sin is greater than God's power to cease from sin.

Jake

This all sounds good but it's not accurate. Jesus did not die the eternal death or else He would not be seated at the right hand of the Father. Death is the wage of sin, the second death comes as a result of refusing Christ.

Death is the wage of sin of which we will all suffer at the end of our life but that life can end sooner because of the punishment for sin under the old covenant.


Numbers 15:31-36 Because he has despised the word of the Lord, and has broken His commandment, that person shall be completely cut off; his guilt shall be upon him.’” Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
 
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You state correctly, the wages of sin is death, not sleep. Christ did not go to sleep on the cross.

Stoning is not the 2nd death, it's sleep.

Here is the cross (death).

"And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death ... and thou HANG HIM ON A TREE, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] ACCURSED of God .... Deut. 21:22, 23

You see, the Jews knew the law, Christ was accused of blasphemy, which the penalty is stoning, but they wanted Him on a tree, to be accursed of God. That being the 2nd death.

That is the death Christ died, this is what separates us from Babylon, the idea of the natural immortality of the soul.

Not only is babylon (confused) by the Sabbath and many other doctrines, they are confused by the truth of the cross, the very gospel itself! To them, Christ was just going to die, the 1st death, and go get His reward. They only see the physical aspect, hence their blood curdling movies about the cross.

My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me? He could not see through the portals of the tomb.

We are SDA's, we do not believe that Christ just went to sleep on the cross, but died our second death, if He did not, then He did not take our punishment, which is death, not sleep.

Oh, but that God, Christ, took our sinful flesh, yet without sin and rose again by the Father through the power of the Holy Spirit!

When Adam sinned, he should have died the eternal death, but thank God, who was was slain from the foundation of the world!
 
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Furthermore, no one was ever saved under the old covenant. There never was and never will be salvation under the old covenant.

The old covenant are the promises of the people to save themselves and keep their broken promises. The new covenant are the promises of God to write His law in our hearts.

Abraham was saved by the new covenant, Moses was saved by the new covenant.

The covenants are not a matter of dispensations (time), but a matter of experience (Galatians 4:21-31).

The SOP was shown in vision that Waggoner was correct in his interpretation of the two covenants, if we as SDA's would go back and revisit and study our history we would understand the everlasting covenant (the gospel/righteousness by faith).

I would recommend reading The Glad Tidings and The Everlasting Covenant by E. J. Waggoner, who Ellen White said had the truth on the covenant question. But the leadership resisted and since has been hardly spoken.

As she said that Waggoner and Jones had a message for his people that would lighten up this world with the glory of God, the latter rain, the loud cry.

I came out of Sunday keeping churches in my early 20's and pleaded with the Lord to show me truth, He connected me to the "most precious message" which occurred in 1888 and years after through the messengers writing.

I have always found it odd, especially those that grew up in the church a strange resistance to that message because certain populist leadership can sway so much of the church, the same as ancient Israel, history is simply repeating itself.

Let us take a stand for truth dear brother and recognize we know nothing, Me especially! I can only go to the cross and realize what amazing love God has for us. He was willing to die and eternal death so I could have an eternal existence.

Babylon cannot come close to that awe inspiring message with their belief in the immortality of the soul, and how that lie comes straight from the Garden, "thou shalt not surely die." That lie is tied to babylon's understanding of the cross.

Jake
 
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Stephen died the same death Jesus died. Both gave up the spirit and fell asleep.

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.


When the spirit is given up the body dies but the soul sleeps.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


There is a difference between eternal life and immortality. Eternal life is something received in the soul whereas immortality is received in the body.

We are spirit, soul and body. The body and soul coexist together to make up a person, one cannot exist without the other. The spirit is the life from God that gives life and animation to the person as a whole.

When Jesus gave up His spirit His body died and His soul slept but because He was sinless He received immortality at His awakening and was then seated at the right hand of the Father on High. If Jesus did sin in His lifetime He would not receive immortality and would face the second death of which there is no awakening.


Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.
 
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Ok brother, so Christ fell asleep for your sins, who took the wages of sin for you which is death? Who died the second death for you, which is the curse? For Christ to take the penalty He actually has to pay the penalty.

Stephen did say something else, (Acts 7:51).

The first death is the wage for sin, the second death is the result of rejecting Christ. Even though the first death is identified with sleep, it's still death.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

When Adam and Eve sinned they were removed from access to the tree of life lest they eat from it and live forever.

Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”.
 
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