The Law is eternal...

[k4c]

That is a huge portion of the world that is "blind". I am just giving a rundown of what the Sunday law means. If I am adding anything you disagree with let me know. The whole point of a new world order creating a Sunday law is to persecute the true church. The only way this gets done is if the anti-christ comes to power and takes over the NWO. We are talking about giving over supreme power to the pope and then having him mark everyones hands in order for them to be able to buy or sell.

this is an elaborate fairytale. so far from truth. for you to claim a person that does not see it is "blind" is incredible. Even back when I believed it, I never would have said everyone has to see it coming plain as day or they are blind. I knew it was impossible to prove and a bit wacky even then.

1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Kira Light]

1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

point being?

It's funny when you try to picture the EGW sunday law world. 99% of Christians go on doing what they are doing and nothing interrupts them, they just unwittingly acquire the mark of the beast and all their faith and trust in God is out the window. Meanwhile the SDA's are chased into the mountains unable to purchase any goods or services. They are the only true church. The remnant. They keep the 4th commandment and this is what is most important in the end. Above all other things. EGW saw that halo around the 4th commandment and now those who do not water ski on saturday are the 144,000. It is hilarious. Nearly everyone I know is SDA and I can't find a single one of them that still defends this. k4c, if you are around for another 40 years or so I bet you'll be one of the last that still holds to this.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

this is an elaborate fairytale. so far from truth.

Or worse. Perhaps an elaborate horror movie.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

My prayer for myself is as follows:

Let me not assume that my chronology of years says anthing about my maturity. Rather, let me assume that I am the one in need of maturity.
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BFA

BFA,

Those who have not been brought through the fire and the flood are uncertain concerning the maturity. They continue to speak of it as a future, unattainable end, when it is today when the Word comes to them.

Faith is vain when it does not come to maturity. It becomes sour like vinegar or it goes into a sugar lock due to lack of bacteria to finish. Salvation is like matured wine that has reached 12% alcohol and foreign bacteria can no longer make it sour.

Faith is the end of the law for righteousness but faith is not the end. Faith is a means of God to bring us to the end, the discipline of God the Father. Those who despise the chastening of the Lord remain bastards and they are still in their sins. It is the chastening that converts and saves us. Faith gives us the assurance of the purpose of our Father as we experience the daily pain of conversion wherein the grace of God saves us from our sins of the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, the two sins that led John to bow down to the angel.

Faith is the means whereby the elementary grace of God saves us from the lusts of our flesh in our appetites and passions, but if we do not go on to be converted in our minds then we will fall back into some comfortable form of serving our fleshly existence, while still naming the name of Christ. Peter was not converted in his mind even though faith had come to him, when he said that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God. This is elementary faith. It is necessary, but we must need be converted in our mind. It is a painful internal experience. Then we're enabled to strengthen our brethren.

Let not those who have not been brought through this inward work of grace be quick to ridicule the value of experience. Those who have been brought through this inward work of grace, like Paul, they will testify to this grace along with their testimony concerning the righteousness that is imputed to them in the new Jerusalem above in the blood of Jesus.

Our Father in heaven, hallowed (imputed) is your name (in Jesus Christ).
May your kingdom (of grace) come, that your will may be done (through the mighty workings of your grace in us) in earth (in the church on earth) as (in the image) it is in heaven (in Jesus Christ).

Justification is by faith alone. This makes us novices.

Salvation is by the discipline of the arm of the Lord fulfilling the chastening of the Father in his grace. This prepares us for ministry.

Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, KJV

Joe

 

[VictorC]

The Law on stone is temperal but the Law of love is eternal. Either way they both manifest themselves the same way.

The "law of love" is a unique label that comes from the writings of Ellen White, and isn't found in Scripture.

The yoke that binds to service is the law of God. The great law of love revealed in Eden, proclaimed upon Sinai, and in the new covenant written in the heart, is that which binds the human worker to the will of God. {DA 329.3}

In this the false prophet claims that the Sinai covenant existed in Eden, contradicting the testimony Moses gave concerning it - the Sinai covenant didn't exist prior to his own generation (Deuteronomy 5:2-3).

Moreover, the false prophet claims that the ministry of death (2 Corinthians 3:7) was moved from one location to another, and that's somehow supposed to make it "new".

It does not.
Hebrews 8:13 states otherwise: In that He says, “A new covenant, ” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The law Ellen claims has a origin and a disposition noncompliant with Scripture isn't "eternal". Making such a claim marks you as someone other than a Christian, for you have never received God's promise to Abraham nor God's new covenant that replaced the former covenant that was made obsolete when God made a new one. As Hebrews 10:9 states in part, "He takes away the first that He may establish the second", and the "He" was Jesus Christ.

 

[VictorC]

I don't know where I first heard of a Sunday law but who cares where it originated or who it originated with, it's true.

As far as EGW goes, I have eyes that see and a mind that understands and with my understanding not everything she said was proven accurate. But I don't follow her, I follow truth. Now if she said something that was true I would hold on to it just like God tells us to. It's a good thing my faith and salvation is not dependant on her if it was I would be reading her writtings.

I have 30 years of law enforcement and I recently retired as senior police detective adult major crimes division. When I get information I test it and if it's found to be true I keep it and use it I don't care if the informatin came from a rock. It's just that simple.

I don't know how you enforced a law when you cannot comprehend a basic concept of jurisdiction. In order to enforce a law, said law must exist.
The same is true for a change of a law, upon which Ellen's Sunday law is predicated. You wrongly charged the Roman Catholic Church with a crime it has not committed in the future tense, which is a change of the sabbath.

In order to change a law, the law has to exist during the time a change is made to it.
The RCC claims a change of the sabbath hundreds of years after God ended it in order to give His redeemed entrance into the permanent rest the sabbath merely represented.

The defendent cannot change a law that didn't exist when they claimed to change it. It's a bogus claim your experience in law enforcement should have seen through instantly: One cannot change a sabbath after the law that ordained the sabbath ended.

These gentlemen offered worthy comments of your thesis:

this is an elaborate fairytale. so far from truth.

Or worse. Perhaps an elaborate horror movie.

I would go one further than they did.
Ellen pulled the veil over your eyes.

2 Corinthians 3
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.

 

[k4c]

If you guys could get over your fear of EGW you would be able to see that one, these things were prophecied hundreds of years before EGW and two, they all came true and are activily being manifested in the world today with or without EGW.

What I see here is God sending strong delusion so that you guys would believe the lie.

Delusion, according to Webster's Dictionary is when a person believes something in spite of overwhelming evidence proving what they believe is false.

It's time to shake the dust off my feet.

Remember, spiritual blindness is just as real as phyiscal blindness.

Have a nice day...

 

[Kira Light]

If you guys could get over your fear of EGW you would be able to see that one, these things were prophecied hundreds of years before EGW and two, they all came true and are activily being manifested in the world today with or without EGW.

What I see here is God sending strong delusion so that you guys would believe the lie.

Delusion, according to Webster's Dictionary is when a person believes something in spite of overwhelming evidence proving what they believe is false.

It's time to shake the dust off my feet.

Remember, spiritual blindness is just as real as phyiscal blindness.

Have a nice day...

lol posts like this make me wonder if you are for real. I think you are, but I am pretty gullible sometimes.

 

[Cribstyl]

K4c, you keep making statements that does not coinside with the scripture that you post.
From my expirience with you, you will run from your own threads.


What text do you have that says the law is eternal? (Ps 111 does not say what you use it to say.)

 

[Byfaithalone1]

It's time to shake the dust off my feet.

Remember, spiritual blindness is just as real as phyiscal blindness.

Perhaps a discussion of specks and planks might be apropos here.

BFA

 

[visionary]

K4c, you keep making statements that does not coinside with the scripture that you post.
From my expirience with you, you will run from your own threads.


What text do you have that says the law is eternal? (Ps 111 does not say what you use it to say.)

Psalm 119:160
All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Justification is by faith alone. This makes us novices.

This is my favorite line from your post. True learning begins when I recognize myself as being a novice. I've known people who've had many birthdays who have never had this realization. I have much to learn.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I would go one further than they did.
Ellen pulled the veil over your eyes.

Indeed she did. Though their motives were good, there were a few people who helped in this effort as well. Now that I am no longer under the veil, I sense that there is much that I still don't know and that I am finally ready to learn.

2 Corinthians 3
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.

Question: What is this veil that is taken away? 2 Corinthians 3 defines it for us.

BFA

 

[VictorC]

If you guys could get over your fear of EGW you would be able to see that one, these things were prophecied hundreds of years before EGW and two, they all came true and are activily being manifested in the world today with or without EGW.

What I see here is God sending strong delusion so that you guys would believe the lie.

Delusion, according to Webster's Dictionary is when a person believes something in spite of overwhelming evidence proving what they believe is false.

It's time to shake the dust off my feet.

Remember, spiritual blindness is just as real as phyiscal blindness.

Have a nice day...

k4c, the forensic evidence is what we use to determine Ellen White a false prophet.
That's why evangelical Christians don't fear her writings once they spend the time to read what she claimed was inspired - the 1858 draft that became the Great Controversy is a prime exibit that shows Ellen White wasn't inspired.

That's why I usually counter Adventism's reference to her writings as the "Pen of Inspiration" with my observation of her as Adventism's "Pen of Liability".

 

[Joe67]

This is my favorite line from your post. True learning begins when I recognize myself as being a novice. I've known people who've had many birthdays who have never had this realization. I have much to learn.

BFA

BFA,

Jewish based followers of Jesus look to miracles as evidence to confirm that they are in the favor of God in following his Son, Jesus.

Greek based followers of Jesus look to intellectual reasonings as the evidence to confirm that they are in the favor of God in following his Son, Jesus.

Jesus' and Paul's testimony is a blend of the two. "Faith that works by love and purifies the soul." "That you may be perfect as your Father in heaven."

John's testimony is also of this blend. "He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father(chastening of sons to perfect) and the Son(free gift of justification unto life)."

The faith of Abraham has both Isaac (the miracle son) and Jacob (the chosen son who was disciplined).

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Jesus' and Paul's testimony is a blend of the two. "Faith that works by love and purifies the soul." "That you may be perfect as your Father in heaven."

It is Ellen G. White (not Jesus or Paul) who wrote that "faith that works by love and purifies the soul." In fact, this phrase is a direct quote from her book entitled Faith and Works.

In that book, the phrase you quoted is followed by this statement:

"The Lord requires at this time just what He required of Adam in Eden--perfect obedience to the law of God. We must have righteousness without a flaw, without a blemish."
​

She makes similar statements in other places, such as;

"Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition of eternal life—the same condition that was required of Adam before his Fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden—harmony with God’s law, which is holy, just, and good." (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 391)

“Everyone who by faith obeys God's commandments, will reach the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression. (Maranatha, p. 224)

“That which God required of Adam before his fall was perfect obedience to His law. God requires now what He required of Adam, perfect obedience, righteousness without a flaw, without shortcoming in His sight. God help us to render to Him all His law requires.” (Letter 55, Dec. 8, 1886)

“The Lord requires no less of man now than he required of Adam,-- perfect obedience to his law, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as that made in paradise—harmony with his law, which is holy, and just, and good. The gospel does not weaken the claims of the law; it exalts the law and makes it honorable. Under the New Testament no less is required than was required under the Old Testament. Let no one take up with the delusion, so pleasant to the human heart, that God will accept of sincerity, no matter what may be the faith or how imperfect the life. God requires of his children perfect obedience.” (1 Selected Messages, p. 374)
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I'm sorry, but I do not view this as a balanced, Biblical perspective.

BFA

 

[Cribstyl]

Psalm 119:160
All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.

It sure depends on what transliteration you subscribe too.


Thy word h1697דבר dabar
[is] true h571אמת 'emeth
[from] the beginning: h7218ראש ro'sh
and every one of thy righteous h6664צדק tsedeq
judgments h4941משפט mishpat
[endureth] for ever. h5769עולם `owlam

NKJV - Psa 119:160 -The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.


It appear to me that it's talking about all the judgment and instruction in the bible being eternal rather than the specifics commandments given to Children of Israel.

God promised a new covenant unlike the one given at Sinai.

 

[Joe67]

It is Ellen G. White (not Jesus or Paul) who wrote that "faith that works by love and purifies the soul." In fact, this phrase is a direct quote from her book entitled Faith and Works.

In that book, the phrase you quoted is followed by this statement:

"The Lord requires at this time just what He required of Adam in Eden--perfect obedience to the law of God. We must have righteousness without a flaw, without a blemish."
​

She makes similar statements in other places, such as;

"Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition of eternal life—the same condition that was required of Adam before his Fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden—harmony with God’s law, which is holy, just, and good." (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 391)

“Everyone who by faith obeys God's commandments, will reach the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression. (Maranatha, p. 224)

“That which God required of Adam before his fall was perfect obedience to His law. God requires now what He required of Adam, perfect obedience, righteousness without a flaw, without shortcoming in His sight. God help us to render to Him all His law requires.” (Letter 55, Dec. 8, 1886)

“The Lord requires no less of man now than he required of Adam,-- perfect obedience to his law, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as that made in paradise—harmony with his law, which is holy, and just, and good. The gospel does not weaken the claims of the law; it exalts the law and makes it honorable. Under the New Testament no less is required than was required under the Old Testament. Let no one take up with the delusion, so pleasant to the human heart, that God will accept of sincerity, no matter what may be the faith or how imperfect the life. God requires of his children perfect obedience.” (1 Selected Messages, p. 374)
​

I'm sorry, but I do not view this as a balanced, Biblical perspective.

BFA

BFA,

You are correct about that phrase which ends in purifying the soul.

Here is the foundation of the thought.
1 Cor 7:19
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. KJV
Gal 5:6
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.KJV
Gal 6:15
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. KJV

The Lord Jesus was included through his witness that the pure in heart would see God.

Two more witnesses through Paul's testimony.
2 Cor 7:1
1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. KJV

Rom 12:2
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. KJV

I believe that the above NT commands are understood in the light of man's natural inability and of the mercy of God's free forgiveness and the free grace of God in and from Jesus Christ to fulfill all his Word to us.

Thus with EGW testimonies concerning the law of God, including the moral law as expressed at Sinai.

The same is true with the apostles John and Peter wherein their witness is grounded in the righteousness of God in Jesus, there are witnesses expressed in terms of our doing and loving and obeying. It is all witnessed as being fulfilled by grace through faith.

30 years past I was having a difficult time with the NT emphasis on works and love and obedience. My soul was ultra sensitive to anything that smelled of human works.

May God give us all to grow in wisdom and grace and in favor with God and man. May the Lord deliver us from those who glory in appearance and from the deceitful workers and those who desire to make a fair shew in the flesh.

May the Lord give us grace, when he calls us, to shave our head for our brothers who are zealous of the law, that they may be blessed. It does appear that EGW was zealous for the law and saw the glory on Moses face as the full glory of God. I still cannot count her as an enemy and curse her. King David felt the same and the sure mercies of God were promised to him. The Shekinah glory, the backside of the Lord, was all that was revealed to King David, and I believe few would be willing to speak with contempt on David though his desire to build the temple opened a door of good and iniquity that is still flooding the world with peace and strife. The Lord does not count our iniquity against us. He does give us repentance.

Some serve faithfully while still in the bondage of the temple service. They still feel bound to go to a building once in a 7 day weekly cycle. Moses is alive and well in ways that would be shocking to many professed evangelicals who are zealous for faith. Most evangelicals have replaced tribulations with more pleasant activities. Like John Mark they will learn to endure hardness as good soldiers of Christ when they are removed from the protection of their professing relatives who still serve the flesh.

Joe

 

[visionary]

It sure depends on what transliteration you subscribe too.


Thy word h1697דבר dabar
[is] true h571אמת 'emeth
[from] the beginning: h7218ראש ro'sh
and every one of thy righteous h6664צדק tsedeq
judgments h4941משפט mishpat
[endureth] for ever. h5769עולם `owlam

NKJV - Psa 119:160 -The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.


It appear to me that it's talking about all the judgment and instruction in the bible being eternal rather than the specifics commandments given to Children of Israel.

God promised a new covenant unlike the one given at Sinai.

I agree...

 

[Kira Light]

It sure depends on what transliteration you subscribe too.


Thy word h1697דבר dabar
[is] true h571אמת 'emeth
[from] the beginning: h7218ראש ro'sh
and every one of thy righteous h6664צדק tsedeq
judgments h4941משפט mishpat
[endureth] for ever. h5769עולם `owlam

NKJV - Psa 119:160 -The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.


It appear to me that it's talking about all the judgment and instruction in the bible being eternal rather than the specifics commandments given to Children of Israel.

God promised a new covenant unlike the one given at Sinai.

I wonder how much of the salvation by works stuff is a result of bad translations.