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Kira Light

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Show me the other prominent preachers that believe a Sunday law is coming. There may be some. I don't know, but I doubt this idea has roots anywhere else. I heard this Sunday law stuff since I was a kid in Sabbath school and it scared me. It is slightly annoying that adults were putting this garbage in my head at such a young age. There is just zero evidence (i know you will point me back to your site) for this belief if EGW was not a true prophet, and she made a few too many false prophecies to retain that title.
 
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The prominent preachers believed the antichrist is the position of the pope and I gave the list and quotes already but you just brushed them off as Catholic haters.
 
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I wonder, can you remember where you first heard about this Sunday law stuff, k4c? I can't believe you came up with it on your own from your own studies. You say you only read Steps to Christ, and I don't think its in there but I'm not sure.

I graduated from Moody Bible Institute about 12 years ago and I'v been studying the Scriptures for about 15 years now but I've only been an SDA for about 2 or 3 years now. I started testing what I believed about 3 years prior to becoming an SDA of which I had never even heard of them before that. After seeing the truth about the state of the dead and then the Sabbath in my studies I started looking for a church fellowship that believed the same but no one was receiving the state of the dead or the Sabbath and then one day I started watching Amazing Facts. Many of the things being taught on Amazing Facts I was already seeing in the Scriptures. I had to get up early to watch it because it came on Sunday morning at 6am. I watched it faithfully for about a year before I learned Dough was a SDA. This is what led me to the SDA. I know the SDA have a lot of baggage but they have more truth than any other denomination. I believe how some SDA view EGW is more a liability than an asset. I once tried to read the Great Controversy but I found too many things I couldn't prove from Scripture so I never finished it. To me, if people want to exalt EGW to the position as some SDA hold her to that's their write but to me, if I don't see it in Scripture than I just keep it as information only.

As far as the Sunday Law goes, if you read through this http://exposingantichrist.com/Pursecution.html you will see where I stand on this. There is overwhelming evidence to show a Sunday enforcement.
 
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I've skimmed your site, and I was taught there was a coming Sunday law my entire life. I know the arguments for it pretty well I think. I was asking you where you got the idea that a Sunday law is coming. I don't see how you could get it from anyone but EGW (or someone who follows EGW).

You say you don't exalt EGW, and that's fine, I am just trying to point out that you do promote the vast majority of her teachings. The sunday law is just one example.
 
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The prominent preachers believed the antichrist is the position of the pope and I gave the list and quotes already but you just brushed them off as Catholic haters.

I agree the belief that the Pope is the anti-christ is old as time, but the specific beliefs about Revelations and the NWO or USA being one beast that forces people to worship the other (the pope), and the Sunday law and all that is very specific to EGW, and you curiously seem to try to distance yourself from her while simultaneously promoting nearly everything she taught.
 
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I don't know where the Sunday Law originated but with a simple search you will find it all over the internet.

Now as far as EGW goes, I'm not sure if she was the soul originator of seeing a Sunday Law but I can tell you Sunday observanced came long before her.

Now this is hw God tells me to handle one who prophecys.

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 Do not scoff at those who prophesy, but test everything that is said to be sure it is true, and if it is, then accept it.

I test what I hear and if it's true I keep it no matter who says it and I can tell you from sure proof and evidence that the Sunday has come so I accept it now matter who it originated with.

The Blue Law - A legal means to enforce Sunday worship by secular authority.
...blue laws legislation regulating public and private conduct, especially laws relating to Sabbath observance.

The blue law restricts activities and sales of goods on Sunday, to accommodate the Christian sabbath. The first blue law in the American colonies was enacted in Virginia in 1617. It required church attendance and authorized the militia to force colonists to attend church services.

There is an old saying that one cannot legislate morality, but the concept behind a blue law comes as close as possible. In the modern sense of the term, a blue law is any ordinance that attempts to control the sale of commerce or limit business hours on Sunday, also known as the Lord's Day or the Christian Sabbath. Many parts of New England and the South still observe a number of blue law restrictions, especially the prohibition of alcohol sales and the limited hours permitted for retail sales on Sundays.

Although much of this legislation has been softened if not repealed, there are still many areas and communities in the United States, especially those where religious fundamentalism is strong, that retain blue laws. The Supreme Court has upheld Sunday closing laws ruling that such laws do not interfere with the free exercise of religion and do not constitute the establishment of a state religion.

Many states forbade the sale of cigarettes, and laws prohibited secular amusements as well as all unnecessary work on Sunday; provision was made for strict local censorship of books, plays, films and other means of instruction and entertainment.

False Sabbath Regulations

The first laws regulating public activities on Sundays were passed in colonial Virginia in the 1620s. Similar laws intended to keep the Sabbath holy were soon adopted elsewhere in America. Typically, all forms of trade or commerce were outlawed. No public entertainment or meetings were permitted, except of course for church services, which often included two-hour services in the morning and the afternoon. Travel on Sunday was banned, except for emergencies. Violators were subject to fines imposed by civil authorities.

A blue law is one restricting activities or sales of goods on Sunday, to accommodate the Christian sabbath. The first blue law in the American colonies was enacted in Virginia in 1617. It required church attendance and authorized the militia to force colonists to attend church services.

Penalties for violating the Blue Law

Whippings, fines, burnt tongues, severed ears: such were the Puritans' penalties for breaches of the Sabbath. Under the "blue laws" of the 1700s, the punishments could be invoked for simple misdeeds ranging from shuffleboard to skipping church.

Other early blue laws prohibited work, travel, recreation, and activities such as cooking, shaving, cutting hair, wearing either lace or precious metals, sweeping, making beds, kissing, and engaging in sexual intercourse. The Puritans believed that a child was born on the same day of the week on which it was conceived. Therefore, the parents of children born on a Sunday were punished for violating the blue law nine months earlier.

Some history on the Sunday Law

The first Sunday law in America was the Virginia Sunday law of 1610, which read: "Every man and woman shall repair [go habitually] in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath day, and in the afternoon to divine service, and catechizing [teaching the principles of Christian dogma and ethics], upon pain for the first fault to lose their provision and the allowance for the whole week following; for the second, to lose the said allowance and also be whipt; and for the third to suffer death." G. Edward Reid, Sunday's Coming, 77.

In 1671 the Plymouth Colony passed a Sunday law in which death was the fate for dissenters. In 1646 the Massachusetts Bay Colony passed a law compelling the people to attend church on Sunday, and invoked the death penalty for those who denied the inspiration of the Bible. In 1723 Maryland enacted laws imposing fines upon those who violated the Sunday laws. In 1739 Delaware put Sunday violators in the stocks for four hours. See American State Papers, 17-77.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]These Sunday laws not only threatened to punish dissenters severely, but also they made it financially difficult for those who, for religious reasons, closed their shops on the seventh-day Sabbath, in addition to the enforced closing on Sunday. In fact, many Jewish store owners felt it necessary to open their shops on Saturday in order to be able to compete in the marketplace. In 1791 Mrs. Rebecca Samuel wrote to her parents in London, England, stating that "on the Sabbath all the Jewish shops [except hers] are open, and they do business on that day as they do throughout the week." Louis Ginsburg, Religious Freedom and the Jew in Colonial Virginia, 7. [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Is President Obama opening the door again for the Sunday law?


“So perhaps we should consider enacting a Sunday Law. Not to restrict people from working, but to give liberty to those who can’t choose. And imagine the tax dollars that would be saved? -Barack Obama


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I know all about blue laws. I am asking specifically about you and where you got the idea of a coming Sunday law.

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1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 Do not scoff at those who prophesy, but test everything that is said to be sure it is true, and if it is, then accept it.

was everything EGW said true?
 
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K4C, it is a bit humorous that you are worried about people's suggestion that one day be set aside - and simultaneously worried that people are not listening to you when you suggest they put one day aside.

Those fears stem from the same place.

What is it that motivates an adult to attempt to dictate to other adults what they should do?
 
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The witness for a principle is not dictation.

Let not those who are mature support the foolishness of youth.

Remember the story of Asaheel as he pursued after Abner. Asaheel was swift in his youth but he was no match for the skill of Abner with his spear.

But sadly Abner was foolish enough to trust the apparent friendship of Joab, Asaheel's older brother, and as Joab put out his hand in apparent friendship he put his knife under Abner's fifth rib.

Joab's dual motive, revenge for his brother's death and jealousy lest he loose his position of power to Abner, moved his thoughts and actions. Joab was next in power to David before the people.

These principles are at work in our present world, even though many deny. The deniers, scoffers always wash their hands in a formal act of cleanness, but their speech unfolds that which is behind the mask. They speak subtly like a dragon, a fiery flying serpent. They suggest. They have options.

Peter was wrong but open. The betrayer kissed.

Joe
 
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What is it that motivates an adult to attempt to dictate to other adults what they should do?
The desire to see if they can get someone else to live the life they have been unable to live. We would much rather gamble with someone else's money than with our own.
 
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Do you believe lying, stealing, murder and so on is a sin?

Only if such things run contrary to the mind of God. If it is true that God told one or more of His followers to conduct holy warfare, then the issue of "murder" may not be as black-and-white as we suppose. This is precisely why the ministry of the Spirit is more glorious than the ministry of letters engraved on stones.

BFA
 
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Let not those who are mature support the foolishness of youth.

My prayer for myself is as follows:
Let me not assume that my chronology of years says anthing about my maturity. Rather, let me assume that I am the one in need of maturity.
BFA
 
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I know all about blue laws. I am asking specifically about you and where you got the idea of a coming Sunday law.

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was everything EGW said true?

I don't know where I first heard of a Sunday law but who cares where it originated or who it originated with, it's true.

As far as EGW goes, I have eyes that see and a mind that understands and with my understanding not everything she said was proven accurate. But I don't follow her, I follow truth. Now if she said something that was true I would hold on to it just like God tells us to. It's a good thing my faith and salvation is not dependant on her if it was I would be reading her writtings.

I have 30 years of law enforcement and I recently retired as senior police detective adult major crimes division. When I get information I test it and if it's found to be true I keep it and use it I don't care if the informatin came from a rock. It's just that simple.
 
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I definitely care if a source of my beliefs was a false prophet. You are way out there in asserting the Sunday Law prophecy is true. Part of that prophecy was that the SDA church is in fact the remnant, the 144,000 in Revelation, and anyone worshiping on Sunday carries the mark of the beast.

You believe it is fact that your Saturday worship is going to lead to you no longer being able to buy or sell goods because you have not accepted this mark. You are probably even stocked up to flee to the mountains.

This is all because a false prophet put forward these ideas 150 years ago, and even she believed they would have already happened by now. I think EGW herself would be blown away that people are still believing this 150 years later.
 
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You sure are adding a lot to what I said.

The Sunday Law is true, if you don't see it you're blind.

Now as far as all the other accusations, if you read my web site you will see that I said I'm not sure how it's all going to work out in the end.
 
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You sure are adding a lot to what I said.

The Sunday Law is true, if you don't see it you're blind.

Now as far as all the other accusations, if you read my web site you will see that I said I'm not sure how it's all going to work out in the end.

That is a huge portion of the world that is "blind". I am just giving a rundown of what the Sunday law means. If I am adding anything you disagree with let me know. The whole point of a new world order creating a Sunday law is to persecute the true church. The only way this gets done is if the anti-christ comes to power and takes over the NWO. We are talking about giving over supreme power to the pope and then having him mark everyones hands in order for them to be able to buy or sell.

this is an elaborate fairytale. so far from truth. for you to claim a person that does not see it is "blind" is incredible. Even back when I believed it, I never would have said everyone has to see it coming plain as day or they are blind. I knew it was impossible to prove and a bit wacky even then.
 
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