The Law is eternal...

[k4c]

The Law on stone commands us not to murder, lie, steal and so on but so does love.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Either the Law on stone will be your master as it forces outward obedience through fear of punishment of which you will be judged a sinner because the self centeredness of the sin nature will never inwardly submit to the Law or godly love will be your master through free will of which you will not be judged with sin because godly love and self centeredness cannot co-exist.

1 John 4:17-18 In this is love perfected with us, that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.

The Law on stone is temperal but the Law of love is eternal. Either way they both manifest themselves the same way.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

One is a burden and one is not.

 

[Restin]

The Law on stone commands us not to murder, lie, steal and so on but so does love.

When you add LOVE to the work that needs to be done by the STONE...you are adding to the word of God! God says in Ezek 36:... I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh. KJV

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The commands that have 'not' in them are 'SUMMED UP' in 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' No need of 'NOT' in the law of LOVE!

Beyond that...Love is the 'fulfillment of the law'. To 'fulfill' is to complete the purpose for which the 'stones' were given to Moses! Not only does 'LOVE' fulfill the law as given in the stones to Moses, but replaces it with a BETTER COVENANT, based on BETTER PROMISES!

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry,
by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant,
which was established upon better promises. KJV

The Law on stone is temperal but the Law of love is eternal.
Either way they both manifest themselves the same way.

The Law on stone is temporal...just like NIGHT
The Law of love is eternal...just like DAY

May God give us to know the difference between NIGHT and DAY!

 

[k4c]

When you add LOVE to the work that needs to be done by the STONE...you are adding to the word of God! God says in Ezek 36:... I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh. KJV

The commands that have 'not' in them are 'SUMMED UP' in 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' No need of 'NOT' in the law of LOVE!

Beyond that...Love is the 'fulfillment of the law'. To 'fulfill' is to complete the purpose for which the 'stones' were given to Moses! Not only does 'LOVE' fulfill the law as given in the stones to Moses, but replaces it with a BETTER COVENANT, based on BETTER PROMISES!

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry,
by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant,
which was established upon better promises. KJV

The Law on stone is temporal...just like NIGHT
The Law of love is eternal...just like DAY

May God give us to know the difference between NIGHT and DAY!

I think you're trying to say the same thing I said.

God's Law is eternal.

Psalms 111:7-8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

The Law is the will of God and there is no way around it. The will of God will either be a burden to you and bring fear of punishment or it won't be a burden to you because you love God. The latter is better and has better promises but they both involve the will of God. And yes, remembering to keep the Sabbath holy is the will of God too.

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. "Many will say to Me in that day, `Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

 

[Joe67]

The stones tell you that if you do not transgress, that is not covet/desire your neighbors possessions, which is the honoring of your parents, then your life will be long on the land, which the Lord your God gives you.

The stones also tell you that God will not hold you guiltless if you take his name in vain.

The stones also tell you that God will pass on the iniquity of idolatry of the fathers unto their children unto the third and fourth generation, for idolatry hates the Lord our God.

The stones also tell you that you must work six days before the Lord will give you to partake of his rest on the seventh day. You must require every one under your authority to not work on the seventh day. The stones do not state a consequence for either failure or fulfillment of this command.

Deut 5:21-22
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. KJV

Deut 5:25
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die. KJV

Deut 5:29
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! KJV

The Lord added nothing beyond the writing on the stone wherein he wrote what he spoken from the fire.

When we seek the Lord from just the stones, the Lord begins to take away our additions. Those who despise the lively testimony written on the stones, will be destroyed by two or three witnesses. But how much greater will be our punishment if we turn away from the voice of the Lord speaking through the blood of Jesus from the new Jerusalem which is above. Hebrews 12:24.

Joe

 

[k4c]

The stones tell you that if you do not transgress, that is not covet/desire your neighbors possessions, which is the honoring of your parents, then your life will be long on the land, which the Lord your God gives you.

The stones also tell you that God will not hold you guiltless if you take his name in vain.

The stones also tell you that God will pass on the iniquity of idolatry of the fathers unto their children unto the third and fourth generation, for idolatry hates the Lord our God.

The stones also tell you that you must work six days before the Lord will give you to partake of his rest on the seventh day. You must require every one under your authority to not work on the seventh day. The stones do not state a consequence for either failure or fulfillment of this command.

Deut 5:21-22
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. KJV

Deut 5:25
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die. KJV

Deut 5:29
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! KJV

The Lord added nothing beyond the writing on the stone wherein he wrote what he spoken from the fire.

When we seek the Lord from just the stones, the Lord begins to take away our additions. Those who despise the lively testimony written on the stones, will be destroyed by two or three witnesses. But how much greater will be our punishment if we turn away from the voice of the Lord speaking through the blood of Jesus from the new Jerusalem which is above. Hebrews 12:24.

Joe

I don't follow where you're going with your replies.

 

[k4c]

The Ten Commandments are a snapshot of what godly love looks like. There was never a time nor will there ever be a time when godly love is not the standard of life and godliness. You can spiritualize it all you want but if you're not manifesting godly love towards God and man you don't have God or know God and you are lost.

exposingantichrist.com

 

[Kira Light]

The Ten Commandments are a snapshot of what godly love looks like. There was never a time nor will there ever be a time when godly love is not the standard of life and godliness. You can spiritualize it all you want but if you're not manifesting godly love towards God and man you don't have God or know God and you are lost.

exposingantichrist.com

I like how you slowly ramp up the rhetoric. This is pretty close to saying what you actually mean. A little on the nose maybe.

So 10 commandments = godly love
godly love = eternal
Manifesting godly love = keeping the 10 commandments
not keeping 10 commandments = don't have god/don't know god/lost

added bonus points for pimping your website!

The message from SDA's is always the same, but they have come up with a million ways to say it. Currently, it is "You aren't saved by keeping the 10 commandments, but if you are truly saved YOU WILL KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS!!" Follow up with a reminder how you will be lost eternally if you don't and there ya have it. All thanks to the little girl who hit EGW in the head with a rock.

 

[Cribstyl]

The Ten Commandments are a snapshot of what godly love looks like. There was never a time nor will there ever be a time when godly love is not the standard of life and godliness. You can spiritualize it all you want but if you're not manifesting godly love towards God and man you don't have God or know God and you are lost.

exposingantichrist.com

That seems to be another gospel from what is written in the scriptures.

If God cant steal, covet, commit adultery or worship other Gods, why would someone attribute human charachteristics to God?

God came to those who steal, lie and cheat. God's love in not of human origin.

God's love in not dependant on the action that men should take based on the ten commandments.

 

[k4c]

I like how you slowly ramp up the rhetoric. This is pretty close to saying what you actually mean. A little on the nose maybe.

So 10 commandments = godly love
godly love = eternal
Manifesting godly love = keeping the 10 commandments
not keeping 10 commandments = don't have god/don't know god/lost

added bonus points for pimping your website!

The message from SDA's is always the same, but they have come up with a million ways to say it. Currently, it is "You aren't saved by keeping the 10 commandments, but if you are truly saved YOU WILL KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS!!" Follow up with a reminder how you will be lost eternally if you don't and there ya have it. All thanks to the little girl who hit EGW in the head with a rock.

Once again we have a misguided reply. None of what I said has anything to do with EGW. You need to understand the difference between obeying God in order to be saved and obeying God because you are saved, there is a big difference. One is a manifestation of the flesh and is a burden and one is a manifestion of the power of God working in a changed life. Both will look the same but will have different motives and different power sources.

As far as EGW goes, I don't use her in anything I post but if it's what she taught then she is right on the money.

Now as far as my web site goes, your comment tells me that either you didn't read through it or you're spiritually blind. I'm hoping for your sake you didn't read through it.

 

[k4c]

That seems to be another gospel from what is written in the scriptures.

If God cant steal, covet, commit adultery or worship other Gods, why would someone attribute human charachteristics to God?

God came to those who steal, lie and cheat. God's love in not of human origin.

God's love in not dependant on the action that men should take based on the ten commandments.

None of what you said, in your human philosophy, can be supported with the Bible.

Colossians 2:8 Be careful! Don't let anyone capture you with philosophy or misleading theories that can fool you. These come from human tradition and worldly standards, not from Christ!

 

[Kira Light]

Once again we have a misguided reply. None of what I said has anything to do with EGW. You need to understand the difference between obeying God in order to be saved and obeying God because you are saved, there is a big difference. One is a manifestation of the flesh and is a burden and one is a manifestion of the power of God working in a changed life. Both will look the same but will have different motives and different power sources.

As far as EGW goes, I don't use her in anything I post but if it's what she taught then she is right on the money.

Now as far as my web site goes, your comment tells me that either you didn't read through it or you're spiritually blind. I'm hoping for your sake you didn't read through it.

Looks like I got it totally right! You can keep running and screaming away from EGW, but you are in her church and you follow her rules.

You can tell me all day long that you have "different motives and different power sources" for why you keep the 10 commandments, but it just sounds like a joke. Listen to yourself for a second with your power sources and what have you.

I did check out your site before and it was a gigantic wall of text. You are still in full attack mode against the fledgling Catholic church and the pope! You truly are a man after EGW's heart. I would guess you even believe the pope is 1 beast in revelations and the US is the other and there is gonna be a Sunday law soon and all that great SDA stuff!

Keep beating that old drum man. We've been like halfway through the book of Revelations for 150 years now. Where the heck is Armageddon?!

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The Ten Commandments are a snapshot of what godly love looks like. There was never a time nor will there ever be a time when godly love is not the standard of life and godliness. You can spiritualize it all you want but if you're not manifesting godly love towards God and man you don't have God or know God and you are lost.

exposingantichrist.com

Is it your position that godly love will cease to exist without the ten commandments?

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

The Ten Commandments are a snapshot of what godly love looks like. There was never a time nor will there ever be a time when godly love is not the standard of life and godliness. You can spiritualize it all you want but if you're not manifesting godly love towards God and man you don't have God or know God and you are lost.

exposingantichrist.com

Meaningless phrases that have no definition is what I call "godtalk." Your statement contains several of those phrases. Your premise is tenuous in that God loved long before there was a "ten commandments." The Creator is eternal, the 10 commandments are not.... Likewise, anything that the Creator has made cannot be lost because he is everywhere....

 

[StormyOne]

That seems to be another gospel from what is written in the scriptures.

If God cant steal, covet, commit adultery or worship other Gods, why would someone attribute human charachteristics to God?

God came to those who steal, lie and cheat. God's love in not of human origin.

God's love in not dependant on the action that men should take based on the ten commandments.

Crib, good to see you man.... I agree with your comments.... take care...

 

[k4c]

Looks like I got it totally right! You can keep running and screaming away from EGW, but you are in her church and you follow her rules.

You can tell me all day long that you have "different motives and different power sources" for why you keep the 10 commandments, but it just sounds like a joke. Listen to yourself for a second with your power sources and what have you.

I did check out your site before and it was a gigantic wall of text. You are still in full attack mode against the fledgling Catholic church and the pope! You truly are a man after EGW's heart. I would guess you even believe the pope is 1 beast in revelations and the US is the other and there is gonna be a Sunday law soon and all that great SDA stuff!

Keep beating that old drum man. We've been like halfway through the book of Revelations for 150 years now. Where the heck is Armageddon?!

And what about all these people, are they followers of EGW? They all believed the Bible as it related to the papcy and the Vatican.

John Calvin (1509-1564) founder of the Presbyterian Church.

John Wesley (1703-1791) founder of the Methodist Church.

SIR ISAAC NEWTON (1643-1727) physicist, mathematician.

John Knox (1505-1572) Scottish Reformer.

Philipp Melanchthon (1497-1560) Associate of Martin Luther.

William Tyndale (1484-1536) 1st translator of Bible.

John Wyclif (1324-1384) Completed the 1st English translation of the Bible.

Charles SPURGEON (1834-92) Respected preacher.

John BUNYAN (1628-1688) Respected preacher.

Charles FINNEY (1792-1875) Respected preacher.

D.L. Moody (1837-1899) founder of Moody Bible institute, Baptist.

Martin Luther (1483-1546) founder of the Lutheran Church.

Listen to what Martin Luther said regarding the Pope.​

"Oh Christ, my Lord, look down upon us and bring upon us the day of judgment, and destroy the brood of Satan at Rome. There sits the Man, of whom the Apostle Paul wrote that he would oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God — the Man of Sin, the son of perdition . . . What is the Temple of God? Is it stones and wood? Did not Paul say, The Temple of God is holy, which Temple ye are? To sit — what is it but to reign, to teach and to judge. Who from the beginning of the church has dared to call himself master of the whole church but the Pope alone. None of the saints, none of the heretics ever uttered so horrible a word of pride." (Luther's Works, Vol. 2. p. 281).

I'm beginning to believe you are suffering from spiritual blindness inwhich you need to ask God to open your eyes or maybe it's God sending strong delusion.

Pay attention to the words, lawlessness and unrighteousness.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The Law of God defines what is right. If you're born of God you will practice righteousness, not do away with it.

1 John 3:9-10 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

 

[Joe67]

1 John 3:9-10 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

k4c,

I hope you believe that you cannot sin because Jesus' seed remains in you.

I hope you see the union of the worship of the Lord our God and loving our brother.

Thereby your Sabbaths will be filled preaching good tidings unto the meek and binding up the broken-hearted and proclaiming liberty to the captives and opening of the prison to those that are bound; as you fear God and give glory to him and worship him who made heaven and earth and the sea and the fountains of waters.

May the Lord give us grace for grace out of the fullness of Jesus' grace.

Your brother in the Lord Jesus,
Joe

 

[k4c]

Crib, good to see you man.... I agree with your comments.... take care...

Matthew 15:14 They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.''

 

[k4c]

k4c,

I hope you believe that you cannot sin because Jesus' seed remains in you.

Your brother in the Lord Jesus,
Joe

If you've been reading my threads you would have no need to hope because you would know for sure.

 

[StormyOne]

Matthew 15:14 They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.''

LOL... you got jokes.... let's not go there okay....

 

[Cribstyl]

Matthew 15:14 They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.''

None of what you said, in your human philosophy, can be supported with the Bible.

Colossians 2:8 Be careful! Don't let anyone capture you with philosophy or misleading theories that can fool you. These come from human tradition and worldly standards, not from Christ!

Sheeze, you've gotten pretty self righteous since we last interacted.
What makes you think that saying God does not steal is a character attribute of God?