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False doctrines are indeed contrary to the One who stands before us. They come out of broken mankind who cannot think straight as a result of sin.
Your question remains: what is your criteria for false doctrine?
Jude 1:4 is the major one.
An illogical question because it assumes that "if" God does want to save everyone ergo ipso facto God will save everyone but that is not necessarily true.
Note this passage from Jeremiah. God said “I have caused to cleave” That word is הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi. It is in the perfect or completed sense. God’s express will, clearly stated, for the whole house of Israel and Judah, to cling to God as a belt clings to a man’s waist. It was done, finished, completed, in God’s sight, and, according to some arguments, nothing man can do will cause God’s will to not be done. But they, Israel and Judah, would not hear and obey, their will, vs. God’s will, So God destroyed them, vs. 14.
…..This passage very much speaks to God’s sovereign will, and man’s free will and agency. God stated very clearly what His will was, in terms that cannot be misunderstood. But, because the Israelites and Judeans would not hear, and obey, God destroyed them, instead of them being unto God, “for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory, vs. 10.”
Jer 13:1 Thus saith the LORD unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water.Note, verse 14, God said He will NOT have pity, will NOT spare, and will NOT have mercy but destroy them.
2 So I got a girdle according to the word of the LORD, and put it on my loins.
3 And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying,
4 Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock.
5 So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the LORD commanded me.
6 And it came to pass after many days, that the LORD said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there.
7 Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
8 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave [הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi] unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
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14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
And does God want to save everyone, first and foremost?
The criterium for false doctrine =
1. Ungodly men (& women) written of prior unto condemnation.
2. These men & women have turned the grace of God into lasciviousness.
3. These men & women deny the Lord & ONLY Master.
"For there are certain men crept in privily, [even] they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
lasciviousness =
- Lascivious desires or conduct; lewdness; wantonness; lustfulness; looseness of behavior.
- Tendency to excite lust; lascivious or lewd character.
- The state or habitual condition of feeling an excessive or morbid sexual desire.
Oh der Alte, always with the harsh OT stuff. Yes that's true, and it needs to be understood in the sense that the sinful parts of the individual will be destroyed in order to bring forth salvation. Otherwise, how could Moses and the Lamb's song in Revelation 15 be sung? It's a song of salvation of the nations, which is delivered in Rev 21:24-26 and in fulfilment of God's mighty everlasting oath to have all knees and tongues worship His righteousness.
I for one can't see how it can work out that way if He fries most of the knees and tongues. How can it?
The God of Glory is perfection with a capital P.
Again: what I am asking you are what your parameters are for determining false doctrine?
They are?
I never said there was anything false about God. Why are you accusing me? However, there are things false about what man makes up as a false doctrine. Do you not understand the difference?
And does God want to save everyone, first and foremost?
Of course you can see how "it can work out" by twisting what scripture actually says. In Jer 13:9-14 which I quoted, where does God say "the sinful parts of the individual will be destroyed in order to bring forth salvation?" May I remind you this is what God said and what He meant in Jeremiah 13:14 "saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them."Oh der Alte, always with the harsh OT stuff. Yes that's true, and it needs to be understood in the sense that the sinful parts of the individual will be destroyed in order to bring forth salvation. Otherwise, how could Moses and the Lamb's song in Revelation 15 be sung? It's a song of salvation of the nations, which is delivered in Rev 21:24-26 and in fulfilment of God's mighty everlasting oath to have all knees and tongues worship His righteousness.
I for one can't see how it can work out that way if He fries most of the knees and tongues. How can it?
Reading your posts about how everyone in the end of time will be saved, even Satan and his demons.
Major: The fact is our God is the radical Source of the radical all. The word is in union with pas to the all of ta pavnte.
God is the Source, Guide & the Goal of ta pavnte.
Major: The fact is our God is the radical Source of the radical all. The word is in union with pas to the all of ta pavnte.
God is the Source, Guide & the Goal of ta pavnte.
We will again review the scope of the koine ta pavnte.
By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the…
Ex= The Source
Di= The Agent
Eiv= The Goal
The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.
ta pavnte/ ta panta, “in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.”
**It is not in the limited sense of “nearly all”, “pavnte” minus “ta”
The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.
The prefix “re” means back again, again, anew–and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;… down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
"I counsel you to buy of Me gold refined in the fire that you may become rich, and white robes to put on, so as to hide your shameful nakedness, and eye-salve to anoint your eyes with, so that you may be able to see."
This is the challenge to every member of the churches.
Ta pavnte = in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the universe. Of everything in heaven.
Why would you think that anyone would disagree with that????
In the Greek NT the Greek word "aion" is an adjective.C.S. Lewis is correct. Jesus will bring ALL who come to Him by faith.
The problem with what you believe is that it is all based on the manipulation amd meanings of WORDS.
In universalism, the word "eternal" means "without end" when it comes to salvation, but not when referring to damnation, even though the same word is used for both and in the same context (Matt. 25:46).
YOU divide history and the future into different "eons" or "ages" and assert that punishment is "age-lasting," not eternal.
The term "Son of God" is claimed by all groups as an accurate description of Jesus, yet to some, it means a created being, and to others, it means God in flesh.
Therefore, determining which belief is held by which universalist is often difficult and it requires digging which means your theology is based in DECEPTION.
My theology is based in the gospel of Jesus Christ without any manipulations, twistings or explination using words and phrases that no body cares about.
In the Greek NT the Greek word "aion" is an adjective.
UR-ites "translate" "aion" as "age lasting," or "age during" I happened to notice the other day that "age" is a a noun and "lasting/during" is a verb. So to make scripture fit the UR narrative they have to change a single adjective into a noun and a verb.
We will again review the scope of the koine ta pavnte.
By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the…
Ex= The Source
Di= The Agent
Eiv= The Goal
The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.
ta pavnte/ ta panta, “in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.”
**It is not in the limited sense of “nearly all”, “pavnte” minus “ta”
The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.
The prefix “re” means back again, again, anew–and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;… down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
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