The KJVO myth...

[Strong in Him]

Just for the record I don’t believe the Bible has anything to do with anyone’s salvation.

I hope you mean that not using the KJV affects someone's salvation.
I'm very pleased to hear that, but at least one KJVO-ist on these forums has implied that.

 

[Bob_1000]

What has that got to do with the inspiration of God's word through the Holy Spirit?

God has made his word, and his presence, clear - we do not have to play a detective game or solve a mathematical puzzle.
And it is still the case that chapter divisions were not in the original.

You’re giving me your opinion. Just because you can’t see chapter and verse inspiration doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

The Bible tells us specifically to count the number of the beast.

 

[Bob_1000]

I hope you mean that not using the KJV affects someone's salvation.
I'm very pleased to hear that, but at least one KJVO-ist on these forums has implied that.

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Plus I was an atheist up until age 32 and I didn’t read any bible to get saved.

 

[robycop3]

What is the KJVO myth?

The KJVO myth is the doctrine that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation, a doctrine not found in the KJV itself, and is patently-false.

 

[Strong in Him]

You’re giving me your opinion. Just because you can’t see chapter and verse inspiration doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

And it doesn't mean that it does - or God would tell us about it.

The Bible tells us specifically to count the number of the beast.

No it doesn't.
It says "let him calculate the number of the beast" and then tells us exactly what it is. It is man's number - 666. I've already said that the number 6 represents man.
What has any of that got to do with the number 13 meaning this because of that verse, or the number 33 meaning this because of that verse?

 

[Strong in Him]

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Plus I was an atheist up until age 32 and I didn’t read any bible to get saved.

Yes - and most people read and learn about Jesus, THE Word of life, from the Bible. But it doesn't have to be from the KJV.
As I said to BibleHighlighter, many people have been saved without ever reading the KJV.

 

[Bob_1000]

And it doesn't mean that it does - or God would tell us about it.



No it doesn't.
It says "let him calculate the number of the beast" and then tells us exactly what it is. It is man's number - 666. I've already said that the number 6 represents man.
What has any of that got to do with the number 13 meaning this because of that verse, or the number 33 meaning this because of that verse?

The uninspired versions may say calculate the number of the beast but the KJV says to COUNT the number of the beast and if you don’t count the number you will never understand what the mark of the beast is.

 

[Bob_1000]

Yes - and most people read and learn about Jesus, THE Word of life, from the Bible. But it doesn't have to be from the KJV.
As I said to BibleHighlighter, many people have been saved without ever reading the KJV.

That’s where you’re wrong. The new man in us is born from the incorruptible words of God.

 

[trophy33]

You seem like an intelligent logical person so I want to run something by you. If I asked you to count the number 10 what would your answer be? This is not a trick question and anybody with any experience with math should know how to count any number.

My answer would be 1.

 

[Strong in Him]

The uninspired versions may say calculate the number of the beast but the KJV says to COUNT the number of the beast and if you don’t count the number you will never understand what the mark of the beast is.

That is wrong on two counts.
First, other Bibles are not uninspired. My Bible has the same Gospel and speaks of the same God, Saviour and Holy Spirit as yours does. Both of us are saved and children of God; me with my NIV and you with your KJV.
Secondly, how are you going to count the number of the beast when you already know it is 666? What does that mean - sitting and counting up to 666 each day?

Like I said, some numbers do represent things in Scripture, and Revelation says that the mark of the beast is man's number. Man's number in Scripture is 6 - like I said, one less than God; not quite perfect. So it is saying that the beats will be completely human - no spirit or soul. Or if he does have one it will be utterly corrupt.

This still has nothing to do with the numerals 13, 33, 22 or anything else.

 

[Strong in Him]

That’s where you’re wrong. The new man in us is born from the incorruptible words of God.

Yes - by reading about Jesus, the Gospel and God's words in the bible.

If you ARE saying that only KJV readers are saved, not only might you be kicked off this forum, but you're going to get quite a shock in heaven.

 

[Bob_1000]

My answer would be 1.

That’s right but not complete. The only way to count a number is to count the factors of that number. So 10 would be:

1 tens + 0 ones
Or
0 tens + 10 ones

Now apply that to 666. The Bible says to count the number 666 which would be:

0 hundreds + 0 tens + 666 ones
Or
0 hundreds + 66 tens + 6 ones
Or
6 hundreds + 6 tens + 6 ones

The only one of those factors that are of biblical significance is 66 (books of the Bible) + 6 (the number for man)

There are a couple of ways that can be interpreted. It could be as simple as man adding to the word of God which I believe is correct. Or It could also be seen as the 66 represents the Word of God so it could be interpreted as man combing with divinity sort of like what happened in Genesis 6.

 

[Bob_1000]

Yes - by reading about Jesus, the Gospel and God's words in the bible.

If you ARE saying that only KJV readers are saved, not only might you be kicked off this forum, but you're going to get quite a shock in heaven.

I said that the Bible has nothing to do with salvation. A person can be saved without ever reading a bible. What you may be thinking is salvation and being born again the same thing which is not biblical. We’re saved by grace because we ask to be. We’re born again by the incorruptible seed which is the word of God. The second birth is the birth of Christ in our psyche.

 

[trophy33]

That’s right but not complete. The only way to count a number is to count the factors of that number. So 10 would be:

1 tens + 0 ones
Or
0 tens + 10 ones

Now apply that to 666. The Bible says to count the number 666 which would be:

0 hundreds + 0 tens + 666 ones
Or
0 hundreds + 66 tens + 6 ones
Or
6 hundreds + 6 tens + 6 ones

The only one of those factors that are of biblical significance is 66 (books of the Bible) + 6 (the number for man)

There are a couple of ways that can be interpreted. It could be as simple as man adding to the word of God which I believe is correct. Or It could also be seen as the 66 represents the Word of God so it could be interpreted as man combing with divinity sort of like what happened in Genesis 6.

Counting the number of someone's name was taking the letters of the name and counting their mathematical value.

Also, Bible does not say "count the number 666" as you incorrectly say. It says "count the number of the beast, because its a man. And his number is 600, 60 and 6"

Nero was 666.

Also, in the oldest manuscripts its 616, not 666. Probably made to look more symmetric later.

 

[Bob_1000]

That is wrong on two counts.
First, other Bibles are not uninspired. My Bible has the same Gospel and speaks of the same God, Saviour and Holy Spirit as yours does. Both of us are saved and children of God; me with my NIV and you with your KJV.
Secondly, how are you going to count the number of the beast when you already know it is 666? What does that mean - sitting and counting up to 666 each day?

Like I said, some numbers do represent things in Scripture, and Revelation says that the mark of the beast is man's number. Man's number in Scripture is 6 - like I said, one less than God; not quite perfect. So it is saying that the beats will be completely human - no spirit or soul. Or if he does have one it will be utterly corrupt.

This still has nothing to do with the numerals 13, 33, 22 or anything else.

If all bibles were inspired then the beliefs of NASB believer would line up with the beliefs of the KJV believer that BELIEVES every word exactly as written.

That’s not what happens though. People who don’t believe in the inspired inerrant word of God bounce around from one version to another or go to Greek and Hebrew dictionaries and pick and choose what they want to be true and that builds a belief system in them.

A person who believes in an inerrant inspired word of God can’t do that. We are bound by those words and can’t go outside of them for truth.

You can say whatever you want about that method but that method leads to a completely different belief system than those who pick and chose their own version of the truth.

 

[trophy33]

A person who believes in an inerrant inspired word of God can’t do that. We are bound by those words and can’t go outside of them for truth.

The person working with just one translation can invent as many errors and fantasies as somebody who changes translations.

Because interpretation of words is where our individuality steps in.

 

[Davy]

You have some serious factual errors in your post.

1. No modern Bible is based on Wescott Hort edition.
2. The Textus Receptus is not based on 2000+ manuscripts, but on a dozen, in the best scenario.
3. There are 6000+ discovered manuscripts, so 2000 are not majority, mathematically.

That's so funny, a flat denial of the documentation. Hitler believed that if you told a lie enough, people would believe it.

The Textus Receptus, the Greek texts the KJV Bible used for the New Testament, is also called the Majority Texts. The reason is because the Textus Receptus (or Received Texts), make up the MAJORITY of known Greek texts of the New Testament Books.

 

[trophy33]

That's so funny, a flat denial of the documentation. Hitler believed that if you told a lie enough, people would believe it.

The Textus Receptus, the Greek texts the KJV Bible used for the New Testament, is also called the Majority Texts. The reason is because the Textus Receptus (or Received Texts), make up the MAJORITY of known Greek texts of the New Testament Books.

There is not even one manuscript that has the Textus Receptus text. Because its a compilation from several manuscripts.

These several manuscripts were of the "majority text" family, but were not 2,000 and were not a good ones. If you desire a good majority text edition, then it would be Robinson-Pierpoint, not Textus Receptus.

 

[Bob_1000]

The person working with just one translation can invent as many errors and fantasies as somebody who changes translations.

Because interpretation of words is where our individuality steps in.

That’s like saying if I use one road map to get somewhere then I’m in danger of inventing errors and fantasies in the road map. You guys logic is unbelievable. It’s like you’re intelligent until it comes to the Bible and then all logic and reason goes out the window.

 

[Strong in Him]

I said that the Bible has nothing to do with salvation. A person can be saved without ever reading a bible. What you may be thinking is salvation and being born again the same thing which is not biblical. We’re saved by grace because we ask to be. We’re born again by the incorruptible seed which is the word of God. The second birth is the birth of Christ in our psyche.

A person can be saved without reading the Bible, but it's very likely they will have heard someone preaching/teaching the Gospel which is found in the Bible.
If it wasn't for the Bible we wouldn't know anything about God or Jesus - and you'd have nothing to use for your maths and word games.