The KJVO myth...

[Strong in Him]

The gospel is the gospel that was preached to Abraham - “In thee shall all the nations be blessed”.

Jesus, the cross and the Holy Spirit were not preached to Abraham.
What is the Christian Gospel? If a non believer said "tell me about Jesus", what would you say?

 

[Davy]

But his physical body was raised. He told the disciples that "a ghost does not have flesh and bones, like I have" Luke 24:39. He ate a piece of fish in their presence, Luke 24:42 and he invited Thomas to touch his hands and side, John 20:27. We are not told that Thomas actually did so, but he could have - and he would have seen for himself that Jesus had a real, physical body.

As long as you keep wanting to point ONLY to that Luke 24 Scripture, I will keep pointing to Paul in the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture. Let me know when you're ready to reconcile the Luke 24 and 1 Corinthians 15 Scriptures...

1 Cor 15:44-50
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

 

[David Kent]

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I see. But the rapture WILL occur before the trib, as Rev. 3:10 says 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Now, some will say that applies to just the Philadelphia church, but, as the great trib hasn't yet happened, & the church at Philadelphia, now Alasahir, is now Catholic. It refers to Christians in general, as all will be raptured when it occurs.

That is according to the Jesuit futurist teaching. The 7 letters are symbolic iof 7 periods of church history. The book of Revelation is the whole history of the Crstian church written in advance. Within, qwritten from the view from inside the church and without seen from the viewpoint of the world outside.

 

[Bob_1000]

I know.

The Kingdom of heaven is wherever Jesus is honoured and recognised as king. If people don't recognise the king, they won't see the kingdom.
But he said that no one can be born again except by the Holy Spirit.

Where’s the verse or verses where Jesus said no one can be born again except by the Holy Spirit?

 

[Bob_1000]

Jesus, the cross and the Holy Spirit were not preached to Abraham.
What is the Christian Gospel? If a non believer said "tell me about Jesus", what would you say?

Gal 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

 

[Bob_1000]

As long as you keep wanting to point ONLY to that Luke 24 Scripture, I will keep pointing to Paul in the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture. Let me know when you're ready to reconcile the Luke 24 and 1 Corinthians 15 Scriptures...

1 Cor 15:44-50
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

So Davy you believe that the soul was what got raised at the resurrection?

 

[Strong in Him]

Where’s the verse or verses where Jesus said no one can be born again except by the Holy Spirit?

John 3:5-6.
Jesus said that no one could see the kingdom of God unless they were born of water and the spirit. Flesh gives life to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to the spirit.

So our spirits can be reborn only by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Strong in Him]

As long as you keep wanting to point ONLY to that Luke 24 Scripture, I will keep pointing to Paul in the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture. Let me know when you're ready to reconcile the Luke 24 and 1 Corinthians 15 Scriptures...

How do YOU "reconcile" them.
When Jesus was raised from the dead he broke bread on the way to Emmaus, invited Thomas to touch him, said that a ghost does not have flesh and blood, and ate fish - both in the upper room and on the beach, John 21, where there was a fire and fish cooking.

Maybe it was his spirit which did all those things, that he lied when he said that he had flesh and blood, and that if Thomas had touched him he would have felt nothing. Maybe it was his spirit that had nail wounds, or a great hole in its side?

 

[Strong in Him]

Gal 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Why is it so difficult for you to state the Christian Gospel?
Here are a few clues: was Jesus God and man? Why did he die and what does his death mean? What happened to his body afterwards? Did he stay on earth indefinitely? Who is the Holy Spirit?

Or just read the Nicene creed.

 

[Bob_1000]

John 3:5-6.
Jesus said that no one could see the kingdom of God unless they were born of water and the spirit. Flesh gives life to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to the spirit.

So our spirits can be reborn only by the Holy Spirit.

I can see that logic there but that view is not taking into account the verse about being born again by the incorruptible word of God. The Spirit has to be there to guide you through the incorruptible word which results in the new man or the Christ in us. In other words you can’t achieve the new man without the Spirit working in the incorruptible word.

 

[Bob_1000]

Jesus, the cross and the Holy Spirit were not preached to Abraham.
What is the Christian Gospel? If a non believer said "tell me about Jesus", what would you say?

I tell people that the whole purpose of life is to escape the power of the evil man inside of you that you hate. The man that pushes you to do the things that you don’t want to do and hinders you from doing the things you want to do. I tell them all that God expects from any of us is to admit to what we are and that we have no power to fix it and allow God to fix it.

 

[Bob_1000]

Why is it so difficult for you to state the Christian Gospel?
Here are a few clues: was Jesus God and man? Why did he die and what does his death mean? What happened to his body afterwards? Did he stay on earth indefinitely? Who is the Holy Spirit?

Or just read the Nicene creed.

Yep that really works well. They have no idea what you’re talking about and consider you a religious nut case that thinks he’s better than every other sinner on the planet. That reasoning is EXACTLY what made me stay an atheist most of my young adult life.

 

[Strong in Him]

I can see that logic there but that view is not taking into account the verse about being born again by the incorruptible word of God. The Spirit has to be there to guide you through the incorruptible word which results in the new man or the Christ in us. In other words you can’t achieve the new man without the Spirit working in the incorruptible word.

I thought you said that someone could become a Christian without even reading the Bible and that it had nothing to do with salvation?

 

[Strong in Him]

Yep that really works well. They have no idea what you’re talking about and consider you a religious nut case that thinks he’s better than every other sinner on the planet. That reasoning is EXACTLY what made me stay an atheist most of my young adult life.

I don't understand that response.
I asked you why it is so difficult for you to tell me what the Gospel is.

 

[Strong in Him]

I tell people that the whole purpose of life is to escape the power of the evil man inside of you that you hate. The man that pushes you to do the things that you don’t want to do and hinders you from doing the things you want to do. I tell them all that God expects from any of us is to admit to what we are and that we have no power to fix it and allow God to fix it.

Which is a start, but I suspect, in the words of your previous answer, most people would have no clue what you were talking about.
A lot of people do not believe they have an inner evil man inside of them; they believe they are decent folk who have never been in trouble with the law and who, probably, do enough good deeds to get them into heaven.

Also, such an answer does not even mention Jesus.

 

[trophy33]

I didn’t invent anything lol. God uses numbers in the Bible period. Apparently some people have written books on it.

Yes, there are some numbers in all biblical translations - like 7 days, 40 days, 40 years etc. They are in all translations because they are in original languages. These numbers are mesopotamian symbolic numbers to tell a story.

But you invented your own symbolism, based on chapter numbers or on the number of some word occurances in the KJV translation. And this is something totally different and without any real meaning.

 

[trophy33]

I guess you missed the plural 's' on the end of Majority Texts. Very observant.

And yes, there are OVER 2,000 manuscripts making up the Text.

See the Bridge To Babylon documentary which gives documented evidence of the 'different' Greek texts that Wescott and Hort used for their New Testament translation.


BRETHREN IN CHRIST...

Here's a good read about the Wescott and Hort controversy. Since they have been proven to have produced a 'corrupt' Greek version of the New Testament text, their followers of modern Bible versions try to separate themselves from Wescott and Hort, when all along those modern New Testament versions are based... on Wescott and Hort's corrupt Greek text.

Are the Modern Versions Based on Westcott-Hort?

I recommend studying it more broadly and from more solid sources.

 

[Davy]

So Davy you believe that the soul was what got raised at the resurrection?

I see you've never read Ecclesiastes 12:5-7. Explain that in relation to what Lord Jesus said in Matthew 10:28 (KJV).

 

[Davy]

I recommend studying it more broadly and from more solid sources.

Can't get any more solid source than Wescott and Hort's own letters they wrote to each other announcing their plan to take down the Textus Receptus. The existence of those letters is documented history.

And the Bridge To Babylon documentary is... a scholarship documented source. Therefore, go fish.

 

[Davy]

How do YOU "reconcile" them.
When Jesus was raised from the dead he broke bread on the way to Emmaus, invited Thomas to touch him, said that a ghost does not have flesh and blood, and ate fish - both in the upper room and on the beach, John 21, where there was a fire and fish cooking.

Maybe it was his spirit which did all those things, that he lied when he said that he had flesh and blood, and that if Thomas had touched him he would have felt nothing. Maybe it was his spirit that had nail wounds, or a great hole in its side?

That's what I asked you, was to reconcile what Apostle Paul revealed in 1 Corinthians 15 with what Jesus said to Philip in Luke 24. And remember, God's Word never... contradicts itself. So if you read both Scriptures and choose one over the other, that still... shows an improper interpretation, and that you're missing understanding somewhere.

And not only the 1 Corinthians 15 Scripture by Apostle Paul do you have to reconcile, but also several other Scriptures, even by Lord Jesus Himself, like what He said to the malefactor crucified with Him that believed being that day in Paradise with Him per Luke 23:43. And notice that should have been read and understood prior... to getting to the Luke 24:37-40 Scripture.

2 Corinthians 5 by Apostle Paul is yet another Scripture you must reconcile with Luke 24. Same with Luke 16 about Lazarus and the rich man that died and their bodies buried, and they find themselves in paradise, Lazarus on the side with Abraham, and the rich man in hell on the other side of the great gulf. But let's not stop there; there's also the 1 Peter 3 & 4 Scripture about Jesus preaching to the "spirits in prison" at His resurrection.

Thus we cannot just read what Lord Jesus said to Philip about His body in Luke 24 and then wrap up the whole doctrine of the resurrection type body. We have to get a complete whole Bible understanding about it to get the full picture.