The KJVO myth...

[Strong in Him]

What’s the love chapter in the Bible that you think has uninspired chapter and verse numbers?

When the Bible was written it did not have chapters and verse numbers - fact.
Paul did not write to the Corinthians and say "right, that's the end of chapter 12, I'll start chapter 13 next"; those reading Matthew's Gospel did not think, "gosh, he's written 28 chapters".
For hundreds of years people were unable to say "turn to Mark's Gospel, chapter 4 verse .....". Someone came up with the idea of dividing the books of the Bible into chapters, and either they, or others, also decided to put verses in. Whether you like this or not, it is a fact.

1 Corinthians THIRTEEN.

So?
Revelation 13 talks about the two beasts, John 13 talks about Peter's denial, Mark 13 talks about the destruction of Jerusalem and end of the world.
Because someone decided that Paul's words about love should be the start of chapter 13 of his letter, does not prove that that number represents love.
The cross shows God's love, 1 John 3:16. In fact, as the most famous verse in the Bible is John 3:16, why not say that the number 16 shows God's love?

Jesus and the twelve represent the pure love of the father.

No.
Jesus shows God's love; not the 12.
Read the Gospels and you'll see that the 12 doubted Jesus, were afraid, argued among themselves and were described as having "hard hearts". This is beside the fact that Peter denied Jesus and Judas betrayed him. You think all of that shows the pure love of the Father? Philip said that they didn't even know the Father, John 14:8.

Isaac was circumcised on 8th day,

As were all Jews - including the evil OT kings and Judas Iscariot.

the number 8 represents new beginnings.

If you say so; not sure that Scripture does.

There were 8 souls that came out of the ark to begin the earth again.

So?
Noah was a righteous man who followed God; he and his family were kept safe from the flood. If there had been 10, 12 or 21 in his family, that would still have been the case.

Ishmael was circumcised the same day as Isaac but Ishmael was THIRTEEN.

So?
First of all, it was Sarah's suggestion that Abraham should sleep with her maidservant, in the hope of building a family through her, Genesis 16:2. Instead of rebuking her and saying "the Lord has promised that he will give us children, let's just trust him," Abraham agreed. Whatever the maidservant felt about it (and being Egyptian, she might not even have known God), she was a slave and had to do what he master wanted. You are painting her as a wanton woman who threw herself at Abraham - not true.
Secondly, Isaac was the child God had promised; born to a couple who were way too old to have children, his birth was simply a miracle from God.
Thirdly, Ishmael's age when he was circumcised is not relevant to anything.

You know maybe I don’t have the exact meaning of 13 correct but it’s obvious that the number 13 is associated with certain biblical principles.

It's obvious to you, but you have selected only certain chapters and incidents to try to make your case.

I don’t have these things written down, I’m pulling them from memory. There are verses that I can’t remember where they are that have 13 items listed that describe either pure love or harlot love.

Again, so?

God is love - pure love, 1 John 4:8.
God showed his love on the cross, 1 John 3:16 and that Jesus came to die for sinners, Romans 5:8. God has lavished his love upon us, 1 John 3:1 and nothing can separate us from that love, Romans 8:38-39.
You'd have a very hard time convincing anyone of God's love by the presence of the number 13. In fact, a lot of people are superstitious and would say that 13 is unlucky.

 

[Strong in Him]

The number 7 represents completeness.

I know.

But it is also a number for God - and yet sometimes it is used in the Bible for evil things too.
My point is that mere numbers do not prove God's love, or otherwise.

 

[Davy]

The problem with modern Bible versions is the corrupt New Testament translation working by Wescott and Hort in the 1880s.

The documentary Bridge To Babylon documents what they did, including quoting their discovered letters to each other that exposed their concerted plan to attack the Textus Receptus (Greek New Testament manuscripts used for the New Testament King James translation, based on roughly over +2000 manuscripts, the majority of existing Greek NT texts).

https://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Babyl...+to+babylon&qid=1637832621&s=movies-tv&sr=1-2

 

[trophy33]

The problem with modern Bible versions is the corrupt New Testament translation working by Wescott and Hort in the 1880s.

The documentary Bridge To Babylon documents what they did, including quoting their discovered letters to each other that exposed their concerted plan to attack the Textus Receptus (Greek New Testament manuscripts used for the New Testament King James translation, based on roughly over +2000 manuscripts, the majority of existing Greek NT texts).

https://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Babyl...+to+babylon&qid=1637832621&s=movies-tv&sr=1-2

You have some serious factual errors in your post.

1. No modern Bible is based on Wescott Hort edition.
2. The Textus Receptus is not based on 2000+ manuscripts, but on a dozen, in the best scenario.
3. There are 6000+ discovered manuscripts, so 2000 are not majority, mathematically.

 

[Bob_1000]

I already did, but you ignored it:

For example, there are 33 verses with the word "devil" in NIV. There are 33 Vertebrae in the Spine.
There are 63 verses with the word "prophecy" in NIV. And there are 63 national parks in the USA.

BTW, the phrase Holy Ghost is found 91times in the original KJV you do not have.
And the number 91 represents, lets say, dignity.

Leah bare Joseph 33 children in Padanaram.

David reigned 33 years in Jerusalem.

Jesus died on the cross at 33. 33 was an enemy of Jesus.


It looks to me like 33 represents either Jewishness or unregenerate man.

 

[Strong in Him]

Leah bare Joseph 33 children in Padanaram.

My Bible says 7 - how did you come up with that number?
I don't think Jacob even had 33 children.

David reigned 33 years in Jerusalem.

But 40 years altogether - 7 were in Hebron.

Jesus died on the cross at 33.

Maybe.

33 was an enemy of Jesus.

Where does it say that then?
The devil was the enemy of Christ; I don't think the number 33 caused him sleepless nights.

 

[trophy33]

Leah bare Joseph 33 children in Padanaram.

David reigned 33 years in Jerusalem.

Jesus died on the cross at 33. 33 was an enemy of Jesus.


It looks to me like 33 represents either Jewishness or unregenerate man.

So you think its a proof that NIV is inspired?

 

[Bob_1000]

So you think its a proof that NIV is inspired?

The NIV tied the number 33 to the devil. Does 33 in the bible seem to point to the devil to you?

 

[Bob_1000]

When the Bible was written it did not have chapters and verse numbers - fact.
Paul did not write to the Corinthians and say "right, that's the end of chapter 12, I'll start chapter 13 next"; those reading Matthew's Gospel did not think, "gosh, he's written 28 chapters".
For hundreds of years people were unable to say "turn to Mark's Gospel, chapter 4 verse .....". Someone came up with the idea of dividing the books of the Bible into chapters, and either they, or others, also decided to put verses in. Whether you like this or not, it is a fact.

No point in us going there, you don't even think the words of any bible are inspired or inerrant.

So?
Revelation 13 talks about the two beasts, John 13 talks about Peter's denial, Mark 13 talks about the destruction of Jerusalem and end of the world.
Because someone decided that Paul's words about love should be the start of chapter 13 of his letter, does not prove that that number represents love.
The cross shows God's love, 1 John 3:16. In fact, as the most famous verse in the Bible is John 3:16, why not say that the number 16 shows God's love?

My Bible says 7 - how did you come up with that number?
I don't think Jacob even had 33 children.



But 40 years altogether - 7 were in Hebron.



Maybe.



Where does it say that then?
The devil was the enemy of Christ; I don't think the number 33 caused him sleepless nights.

No.
Jesus shows God's love; not the 12.
Read the Gospels and you'll see that the 12 doubted Jesus, were afraid, argued among themselves and were described as having "hard hearts". This is beside the fact that Peter denied Jesus and Judas betrayed him. You think all of that shows the pure love of the Father? Philip said that they didn't even know the Father, John 14:8.



As were all Jews - including the evil OT kings and Judas Iscariot.



If you say so; not sure that Scripture does.



So?
Noah was a righteous man who followed God; he and his family were kept safe from the flood. If there had been 10, 12 or 21 in his family, that would still have been the case.



So?
First of all, it was Sarah's suggestion that Abraham should sleep with her maidservant, in the hope of building a family through her, Genesis 16:2. Instead of rebuking her and saying "the Lord has promised that he will give us children, let's just trust him," Abraham agreed. Whatever the maidservant felt about it (and being Egyptian, she might not even have known God), she was a slave and had to do what he master wanted. You are painting her as a wanton woman who threw herself at Abraham - not true.
Secondly, Isaac was the child God had promised; born to a couple who were way too old to have children, his birth was simply a miracle from God.
Thirdly, Ishmael's age when he was circumcised is not relevant to anything.



It's obvious to you, but you have selected only certain chapters and incidents to try to make your case.



Again, so?

God is love - pure love, 1 John 4:8.
God showed his love on the cross, 1 John 3:16 and that Jesus came to die for sinners, Romans 5:8. God has lavished his love upon us, 1 John 3:1 and nothing can separate us from that love, Romans 8:38-39.
You'd have a very hard time convincing anyone of God's love by the presence of the number 13. In fact, a lot of people are superstitious and would say that 13 is unlucky.

I really don't want to waste our time going back and forth on things you don't understand but the 33 souls comes from here.

Gen_46:15 These be the sons of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob in Padanaram, with his daughter Dinah: all the souls of his sons and his daughters were thirty and three

 

[trophy33]

The NIV tied the number 33 to the devil. Does 33 in the bible seem to point to the devil to you?

I do not play the game, but if you do not like the word devil, you can search other words as long as you want and in time you will fine the one you like.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

...the KJVO myth ...

What is the KJVO myth?

 

[Bob_1000]

I do not play the game, but if you do not like the word devil, you can search other words as long as you want and in time you will fine the one you like.

Bible numbers aren't for everyone.

 

[trophy33]

Bible numbers aren't for everyone.

These are not "Bible numbers", but your numbers.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Anyone know what the KJVO myth is?

 

[Strong in Him]

I really don't want to waste our time going back and forth on things you don't understand but the 33 souls comes from here.

I understand that anyone can make numbers say anything that they want to - and that you are doing so to try to prove inspiration of the KJV.
What you don't understand is that it is inspired - along with many other translations of God' word.

Gen_46:15 These be the sons of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob in Padanaram, with his daughter Dinah: all the souls of his sons and his daughters were thirty and three

Even so; big deal.

 

[Bob_1000]

These are not "Bible numbers", but your numbers.

You seem like an intelligent logical person so I want to run something by you. If I asked you to count the number 10 what would your answer be? This is not a trick question and anybody with any experience with math should know how to count any number.

 

[Strong in Him]

Anyone know what the KJVO myth is?

As far as I can tell it is the belief that ONLY the KJV - i.e King James Version of the Bible - is the inspired word of God.
It has been said, (though maybe not in this thread) that those of us who do not use the KJV are using corrupt Bibles, do not have the whole truth, and, the implication is, that we are not saved.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

...the implication is, that we are not saved.

well thats just mean !!!

;-)

 

[Bob_1000]

As far as I can tell it is the belief that ONLY the KJV - i.e King James Version of the Bible - is the inspired word of God.
It has been said, (though maybe not in this thread) that those of us who do not use the KJV are using corrupt Bibles, do not have the whole truth, and, the implication is, that we are not saved.

Just for the record I don’t believe the Bible has anything to do with anyone’s salvation.

 

[Strong in Him]

You seem like an intelligent logical person so I want to run something by you. If I asked you to count the number 10 what would your answer be? This is not a trick question and anybody with any experience with math should know how to count any number.

What has that got to do with the inspiration of God's word through the Holy Spirit?

God has made his word, and his presence, clear - we do not have to play a detective game or solve a mathematical puzzle.
And it is still the case that chapter divisions were not in the original.