The KJVO myth...

[Bob_1000]

NKJV-NASV-ESV & a few others in English, plus other translations in over 2400 languages & dialects.

Do you believe anything written in the bible exactly as it's written?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

St Athanasius was literally the bishop of Alexandria so what you're really saying is that the manuscript comes from a city that was under the authority of the man who most strongly opposed Arianism.

We were not there. But it is a reasonable hypothesis that the origin of Arianism is the same place that removes the one and only verse in my Bible that talks about the Trinity. See, this is the problem. This might be just one coincidence (in your opinion), but then you have to keep ignoring the coincidences that keep pointing to the King James Bible as being superior in doctrine, and instruction in righteousness. Then again, you probably do not even know what I am talking about. But even if you might be (by some chance), it’s because you don’t want “Divine Preservation of God’s Word” to be true (regardless of what Bible that would be). For the idea of a perfect Bible that we can understand does not sit well with many.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So what you’re saying is a little leaven doesn’t leaven the whole lump... I disagree, you can’t come to truth by mixing truth and error.

So how is it possible for KJB only Christians (like myself) to be able to criticize the Modern Translations? Do you not do the same? Do you not look for the mistakes in Modern Translations by comparison to the KJB? Do you not have to read Modern Translations in order to do that? If such is as you say…. All your KJB Only brethren have been leavened.

Also, Jesus ate with tax collectors and sinners. Was he not doing so to evangelize them? But you could say… a little leaven… leaven’s the whole lump. So I don’t think the analogy works always in every example. Anyways, this phrase in Scripture can be seen in 1 Corinthians 5:6. It is saying that the brethren were glorying (and how it was not good) when a Christian among them was sleeping around in the church. It’s not talking about comparing manuscripts or different translations. Paul was telling the Corinthian church to kick out this person out of the church or away from their fellowship. But Paul was not saying that they should hide in caves away from this sinful world whereby they could not evangelize them. For Paul says,

“Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.” (1 Corinthians 5:10).

 

[trophy33]

But it is a reasonable hypothesis that the origin of Arianism is the same place that removes the one and only verse in my Bible that talks about the Trinity.

Ok, so the first presupposition in your chain of presuppositions:

How do you know that they removed something? Who told you the verse was there in those times? Which ancient manuscript has this verse, from any part of the world? Why has not been this verse used in defence against arianism, if already existing?

 

[Oseas]

You've changed the subject entirely. If you believe KJVO, you believe a myth. Not one quark of Scripture supports KJVO; it's entirely man-made & therefore false. Only GOD can give TRUE doctrines of faith/worship.

But this is your main biblical version, printed exclusively and specifically for myth preachers like you, and everyone like you. The readers of topic can see that according your Ministry you have that Bible to preach myth only. True believers don't stumble over Biblical Versions. True believers don't get tangled up with Bible versions, they have the gift of the discernment of spirit.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Ok, so the first presupposition in your chain of presuppositions:

How do you know that they removed something? Who told you the verse was there in those times? Which ancient manuscript has this verse, from any part of the world?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 says, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

All Scripture is profitable for doctrine according to 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
The question is…. Do you believe that whole heartedly?
I can say with confidence that I do.
The doctrine I am talking about is the Trinity.
No verse or passage in Scripture besides 1 John 5:7 KJB teaches the Trinity.
Seeing most Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, can they say that their version of the Scriptures is profitable for teaching the Trinity? I don’t think so. For if a man was stranded on an island and all he had was a King James Bible, his chances about knowing of the Trinity would be better (if he knew nothing about it). But if he had a Modern Translation, he could be led to think the wrong thing about God. This is where 1 John 5:7 KJB comes in and how it belongs in our Bible. It was not added later in the Bible (as scholars like to wrongfully say).

In fact, we can trace in history 1 John 5:7 going far back into history. But there are many who just don’t want to have a pure Word of God today, and so they do backflip twists through hoops of fire as poodles bite their fingertips to avoid such a truth.

 

[trophy33]

In fact, we can trace in history 1 John 5:7 going far back into history.

Please, do.

Which old manuscript has the KJV reading in it? Why was it not used in discussions with arianism?

Where is your evidence it was removed, instead of added later?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

To all:

Some think we KJB advocates cannot address the King James Bible as the KJB.
But KJB is simply the abbreviation of King James Bible, and we do see this even with the documentary on the King James Bible.

Trailer:

 

[Bible Highlighter]

To all:

Some claim there are mistakes in the KJB.
I have addressed supposed contradictions in the KJB here:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...t-supposed-contradictions-in-the-kjv.8035969/

 

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I even explain those who have a problem with Easter being mentioned in the KJB here.

 

[Isilwen]

To all:

Some claim there are mistakes in the KJB.
I have addressed supposed contradictions in the KJB here:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...t-supposed-contradictions-in-the-kjv.8035969/

None of this means that the KJV is the final authority over all other Bibles.

God, after prayer, lead me to the NKJV years ago and the NRSV a few months ago as my NKJV is old and falling apart and I needed a new Bible. If the KJV was alas you say, God would have lead me to it, but didn't.

That one means that the KJV is not the final authority, but God is.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

None of this means that the KJV is the final authority over all other Bibles.

God, after prayer, lead me to the NKJV years ago and the NRSV a few months ago as my NKJV is old and falling apart and I needed a new Bible. If the KJV was alas you say, God would have lead me to it, but didn't.

That one means that the KJV is not the final authority, but God is.

I don’t think we can just go on feelings here or just pray and throw a dart hoping that is the right Bible for us. We need to look at the evidence and do a fruits test. Most just don’t care to do the study. Most are not open to seeing that there are changes for the worse and not for the better when comparing the KJB vs. Modern Translations.

Granted, I use Modern Translations, but they are simply not my final Word of authority. I also do not discount the small possibility that the KJB may not be the pure Word (by like a 1% chance), but if such is the case, it is the most purest Word I have found. But I do not have the authority to say there are errors in God’s Word. That’s what others do. They seek to attack God’s Word instead of living by it. So I trust God preserved His words and that they are pure words like He said in Psalms 12:6-7.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7).

 

[robycop3]

Do you believe anything written in the bible exactly as it's written?

Of course, long as it's accurate.

 

[Isilwen]

I don’t think we can just go on feelings here or just pray and throw a dart hoping that is the right Bible for us. We need to look at the evidence and do a fruits test. Most just don’t care to do the study. Most are not open to seeing that there are changes for the worse and not for the better when comparing the KJB vs. Modern Translations.

Granted, I use Modern Translations, but they are simply not my final Word of authority. I also do not discount the small possibility that the KJB may not be the pure Word (by like a 1% chance), but if such is the case, it is the most purest Word I have found. But I do not have the authority to say there are errors in God’s Word. That’s what others do. They seek to attack God’s Word instead of living by it. So I trust God preserved His words and that they are pure words like He said in Psalms 12:6-7.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7).

I didn't throw a dart or go by feelings. I prayed and was lead with confirmations.

What I am seeing from you though is that you're so steeped in your position that you do not believe that any other Bible is preserved. That is dangerous position to be in since you are essentially saying that God couldn't have lead me to a Bible other than the KJV. You are saying that God is wrong.

I have no issues with people reading the KJV if they choose to do so, even making that their only Bible. What I take issue with is those that say only the KJV is the final authority or that if you are reading g any other version other then KJV, you a sinning or whatever drivel they can come up with. For that only comes from the pits of hell to cause division and strife.

 

[Strong in Him]

We were not there. But it is a reasonable hypothesis that the origin of Arianism is the same place that removes the one and only verse in my Bible that talks about the Trinity. See, this is the problem.

No.
The problem is that you have said that only 1 John 5:7 teaches the Trinity, and that verse is only in the KJV - therefore, no other Bible teaches the Trinity. That is false. A number of verses in Scripture say there is only one God, that the Father is God, that the Word (Jesus) is God and that the Spirit is the Spirit of God. There are verses which say that the Son and the Spirit were there in the beginning and are therefore eternal. There are verses which speak of God using a plural form of a word, verses that say "let US create .... go down, or who will go for US.", Genesis 1:26, Genesis 11:7, Isaiah 6:8.
You don't seem to accept this - possibly because if you did it would further weaken your already tenuous claim that the KJV is perfect and the only source of truth.

The problem is also, that your starting point is the superiority, truth and even apparent divinity of the KJV - something you have even gone so far as to stake your life on. Because you are so firmly convinced that it is impossible for the KJV to be imperfect, if there are differences in any other versions - even the original Greek - they must obviously be false; nothing can possibly be allowed to challenge the might of the KJV.

One questions that I have never seen you address is, "what of manuscripts that were discovered after the KJV was made?" How can a translation that was made 400+ years ago be the most accurate when there have been new discoveries made since then, as well as changes in language? King James had no idea that more discoveries would be made after he died.

This might be just one coincidence (in your opinion), but then you have to keep ignoring the coincidences that keep pointing to the King James Bible as being superior in doctrine, and instruction in righteousness.

No.
The Bible is the written word of God; Jesus is THE Word.
The KJV is a man made translation, just like any other.
It wasn't the first Bible to be made or even the first to be translated into English.
Millions of people had, and heard, God's word, read it and became Christians before the KJV was even thought of.
Jesus did not use the KJV - neither did the Apostles and they managed to turn the world upside down without it.
People can become saved, born again, filled with the Spirit and serve God as his children, without reading the KJV, or indeed even having heard of it.

And whether you accept it or not, you have called the newer translations corrupt, yet have admitted using them from time to time; how can the corrupt be used to explain/comment on what is superior and perfect?

For the idea of a perfect Bible that we can understand does not sit well with many.

THE perfect Word of God is Jesus.
All Bibles are translations of translations - none are perfect and certainly none are divine. That honour belongs to God alone. The only one who is divine, or God, is in fact, God. There is ONE God, and he is Trinity - 3 in 1; Father Son and Holy Spirit. NOT Father, Son, Holy Spirit and KJV.

 

[robycop3]

But this is your main biblical version, printed exclusively and specifically for myth preachers like you, and everyone like you. The readers of topic can see that according your Ministry you have that Bible to preach myth only. True believers don't stumble over Biblical Versions. True believers don't get tangled up with Bible versions, they have the gift of the discernment of spirit.

I don't preach, but I teach that the only way to avoid ending up in hell after death is to come to JESUS CHRIST in repentance, belief , & submission. If that's a myth to you, you're gonna have a hot time some day. What I DON'T teach are man-made doctrines of faith/worship, as they're all false.

But again, if you believe the KJVO doctrine, you believe a myth. I've proven it, earlier in this thread.

 

[Oseas]

I don't preach, but I teach that the only way to avoid ending up in hell after death is to come to JESUS CHRIST in repentance, belief , & submission. If that's a myth to you, you're gonna have a hot time some day. What I DON'T teach are man-made doctrines of faith/worship, as they're all false.

But again, if you believe the KJVO doctrine, you believe a myth. I've proven it, earlier in this thread.

But KJVO is your main biblical version, printed exclusively and specifically for myth preachers like you, and everyone like you. The readers of topic can see that according your Ministry you have that Bible to preach myth only. True believers don't stumble over Biblical Versions. True believers don't get tangled up with Bible Versions. They have the gift of discernment of spirit.

 

[trophy33]

But KJVO is your main biblical version, printed exclusively and specifically for myth preachers like you, and everyone like you. The readers of topic can see that according your Ministry you have that Bible to preach myth only. True believers don't stumble over Biblical Versions. True believers don't get tangled up with Bible versions.

You must be more tolerant to other people and to their views. Do not judge who is a true believer or not.

Such intolerance should stay in the medieval era.

 

[robycop3]

I don’t think we can just go on feelings here or just pray and throw a dart hoping that is the right Bible for us. We need to look at the evidence and do a fruits test. Most just don’t care to do the study. Most are not open to seeing that there are changes for the worse and not for the better when comparing the KJB vs. Modern Translations.

What's a "KJB"? A new model Kia?
In a way, the KJV was like Hitler's Mein Kampf or Mao Zhedong's Little Red Book. While its content & purpose are vastly-different, of course, it was foisted upon English-users by an authoritarian govt. which prohibited any other English BVs to be printed or sold within its bailiwick. Thus, it became the only Bible version available to most English users.

Granted, I use Modern Translations, but they are simply not my final Word of authority.

Why not?

I also do not discount the small possibility that the KJB may not be the pure Word (by like a 1% chance), but if such is the case, it is the most purest Word I have found.

Then you've not looked very hard. The NKJV & other newer versions have eliminated a good number of the KJV's goofs. Those goofs are real & proven, so the claim by anyone that the KJV is perfect, is simply untrue.

But I do not have the authority to say there are errors in God’s Word. That’s what others do.

That's because they are able to read the ancient Scriptural manuscripts.

They seek to attack God’s Word instead of living by it. So I trust God preserved His words and that they are pure words like He said in Psalms 12:6-7.


“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7).

The "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie", derived straight from a 7TH DAY ADVENTIST'S book, is false, as is explained in previous posts in this thread. It's proven false by the AV makers themselves. (That thingie wasn't invented til later.) NOWHERE does Ps. 12 mention any Bible translation!

 

[Oseas]

You must be more tolerant to other people and to their views. Do not judge who is a true believer or not.

Such intolerance should stay in the medieval era.

Take the helmet of salvation, and the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God(the Bible): We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. Ephesians 6

God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth. 1John 1