The KJVO myth...

[Bob_1000]

Yes, in Father.

I think that’s considered heresy on this forum. If it’s not it should be. You’re clueless man.

 

[trophy33]

I think that’s considered heresy on this forum. If it’s not it should be. You’re clueless man.

What an argument.

 

[Bob_1000]

What an argument.

There is no argument on that subject. Jesus DID NOT have an origin.

 

[trophy33]

There is no argument on that subject. Jesus DID NOT have an origin.

Your opinion.

 

[Isilwen]

And you can believe as you wish, I really don’t care what Bible you read. It is my duty as a Christian to warn others about things they may not be aware of... you are aware now.

I am aware of your opinion and nothing more.

 

[Oseas]

I see. But the rapture WILL occur before the trib, as Rev. 3:10 says 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Now, some will say that applies to just the Philadelphia church, but, as the great trib hasn't yet happened, & the church at Philadelphia, now Alasahir, is now Catholic. It refers to Christians in general, as all will be raptured when it occurs.

What was it that JESUS asked the Father in His prayer?

I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them OUT OF THE WORLD, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. The pray of the Lord JESUS to the Father will fulfill LITERALLY.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy Word is truth. (NOT MYTH)

The days will be shortened, understand?

Except these days should be shortened, there should NO FLESH be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.

 

[robycop3]

What was it that JESUS asked the Father in His prayer?

I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them OUT OF THE WORLD, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. The pray of the Lord JESUS to the Father will fulfill LITERALLY.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy Word is truth. (NOT MYTH)

KJVO is myth, not truth.

The days will be shortened, understand?

Except these days should be shortened, there should NO FLESH be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.

Yes, and the elect will be the trib saints, those who will come to Jesus after the rapture.

 

[Strong in Him]

There is no argument on that subject. Jesus DID NOT have an origin.

As a human, Jesus did have an origin. He was born as a human; the Word became flesh, John 1:14.
Prior to his birth he did not have a human name; the angel told Joseph what to call him, Matthew 1:21. Prior to his birth, he was only the eternal Word; the Son.

As God the eternal Word he was certainly without origin. But there was a time that he was not a human being, and then he became one - born, like the rest of us.

 

[Oseas]

KJVO is myth, not truth.
The days will be shortened, understand?

Yes, and the elect will be the trib saints, those who will come to Jesus after the rapture.

Well, the readers can see that according your Ministry you use the Bible to preach myth only.

Luke 18:v.8 KJV - Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Matthew 16:v. 23 KJV - ...thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (In other words, your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God’s perspective!)

JESUS said: Matthew 15:v.18-20JV
18 Those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES: 20 These are the things which defile a man: ...

JESUS said: Matthew 12:v.31-32-KJV 31 ... blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 - ... anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. ( The Word is GOD. JESUS is the true GOD )

1Corinthians 3:v.11-13KJV
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for this Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE ; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is. - GOD is a consuming FIRE -

JESUS in His prayer said: John 17:v.9-10-KJV
9 ... I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. (Only these are the elected.)
10 ... and I am glorified in them. (only in the elected JESUS is glorified)
11 ... Holy Father, keep through thine own name THOSE whom thou hast given me, that they may be One, as we are. (Only the elected will be One, as the God Father and JESUS are One)
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (Only the elected will be kept)
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. (Only the elected will have His joy in themselves)
14 I have given them thy Word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. (Only the elected will be hated because they are not of the world, even as JESUS is not of the world.)
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. (only the the elected will be saved from the evil)
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. (only the elected are not of this world just as JESUS is not)
17 Sanctify them through thy Truth: thy Word is Truth. (Only the elected are sanctified through the Truth, GOD's Word is Truth)

Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful (the cowards), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Reading newer translations along with the KJV is like adding a little leaven to your beliefs.


Gal 5:9 (KJV) A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Not all, brother.

The enemy wants to attack God's Word (the KJB). I look at Modern Translations as panning through dirt to get to the gold in the KJB. Modern Translations are only helpful in the fact that they can update the 1600's English in my King James Bible. But if they say something different, the KJB is my final Word of authority.

I primarily read the King James Bible as my every day Bible, and when I don’t understand a passage or verse, I look at the Webster’s Dictionary, and Modern Translations to help find the meaning behind what the KJB is saying. I try to honor what the KJB says because it is my FINAL WORD of authority. I don’t trust the Modern Translations by a long shot. Think of like this brother: Don’t even our fellow KJB Only brethren read Modern Translations just so that they can expose them by way of comparison to the KJB? What I am doing is not all that different because I am seeking to honor what the KJB says. I am aware of many of the problems in Modern Translations and I reject them as being authoritative.

Side Note:

Anyways, you may like the Defined King James Bible. The creator of the Defined King James Bible is a KJV Only advocate who added defined difficult words at the bottom of the page (but he left the text of the KJB unaltered). In his Defined KJB, he speaks against Modern Translations by way of creating a comparison charts.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Not sure if you are aware of this fact or not, but those who hold to the Critical Text (i.e. where all Modern Translations are based on) say that their manuscript evidence originates from Alexandria, Egypt. Why is that a problem? Well, if you were to Google the origin of Arianism, Alexandria, Egypt comes up as the place of origin. Now, you may yet again write it off as coincidence, but 1 John 5:7 (Which is the one and only verse that point blank teaches the Trinity) is removed from Modern Translations (Based on the Critical Text). The Critical Text comes from the birth place of Arianism or those who deny the Trinity.

St Athanasius was literally the bishop of Alexandria so what you're really saying is that the manuscript comes from a city that was under the authority of the man who most strongly opposed Arianism.

 

[Bob_1000]

As a human, Jesus did have an origin. He was born as a human; the Word became flesh, John 1:14.
Prior to his birth he did not have a human name; the angel told Joseph what to call him, Matthew 1:21. Prior to his birth, he was only the eternal Word; the Son.

As God the eternal Word he was certainly without origin. But there was a time that he was not a human being, and then he became one - born, like the rest of us.

I agree Jesus earthly body originated at his birth but Micah 5:2 in the false bibles is saying he had multiple origins in ANCIENT TIMES, before Micah was written, and it’s not referring to Jesus earthly body it’s referring to Jesus as a little “g” god.


Micah 5:2
New International Version

2 “But you, BethlehemEphrathah,
though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

 

[Bob_1000]

Not all, brother.

The enemy wants to attack God's Word (the KJB). I look at Modern Translations as panning through dirt to get to the gold in the KJB. Modern Translations are only helpful in the fact that they can update the 1600's English in my King James Bible. But if they say something different, the KJB is my final Word of authority.

I primarily read the King James Bible as my every day Bible, and when I don’t understand a passage or verse, I look at the Webster’s Dictionary, and Modern Translations to help find the meaning behind what the KJB is saying. I try to honor what the KJB says because it is my FINAL WORD of authority. I don’t trust the Modern Translations by a long shot. Think of like this brother: Don’t even our fellow KJB Only brethren read Modern Translations just so that they can expose them by way of comparison to the KJB? What I am doing is not all that different because I am seeking to honor what the KJB says. I am aware of many of the problems in Modern Translations and I reject them as being authoritative.

Side Note:

Anyways, you may like the Defined King James Bible. The creator of the Defined King James Bible is a KJV Only advocate who added defined difficult words at the bottom of the page (but he left the text of the KJB unaltered). In his Defined KJB, he speaks against Modern Translations by way of creating a comparison charts.

So what you’re saying is a little leaven doesn’t leaven the whole lump... I disagree, you can’t come to truth by mixing truth and error.

 

[Strong in Him]

I agree Jesus earthly body originated at his birth but Micah 5:2 in the false bibles is saying he had multiple origins in ANCIENT TIMES, before Micah was written, and it’s not referring to Jesus earthly body it’s referring to Jesus as a little “g” god.


Micah 5:2
New International Version

2 “But you, BethlehemEphrathah,
though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

Oh, ok.
I was just trying to say that Jesus, as a human, was born, and therefore had an origin.

Jesus is also the Son, the second person of the Trinity and eternal Word and was not created - as JWs, and possibly others, claim.

 

[Bob_1000]

Oh, ok.
I was just trying to say that Jesus, as a human, was born, and therefore had an origin.

Jesus is also the Son, the second person of the Trinity and eternal Word and was not created - as JWs, and possibly others, claim.

I agree completely. The newer translations are replacing the real Jesus of the bible with the "ascended master" Jesus that they believe in.

 

[robycop3]

Well, the readers can see that according your Ministry you use the Bible to preach myth only.

Luke 18:v.8 KJV - Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Matthew 16:v. 23 KJV - ...thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (In other words, your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God’s perspective!)

JESUS said: Matthew 15:v.18-20JV
18 Those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES: 20 These are the things which defile a man: ...

JESUS said: Matthew 12:v.31-32-KJV 31 ... blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 - ... anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. ( The Word is GOD. JESUS is the true GOD )

1Corinthians 3:v.11-13KJV
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for this Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE ; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is. - GOD is a consuming FIRE -

JESUS in His prayer said: John 17:v.9-10-KJV
9 ... I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. (Only these are the elected.)
10 ... and I am glorified in them. (only in the elected JESUS is glorified)
11 ... Holy Father, keep through thine own name THOSE whom thou hast given me, that they may be One, as we are. (Only the elected will be One, as the God Father and JESUS are One)
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (Only the elected will be kept)
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. (Only the elected will have His joy in themselves)
14 I have given them thy Word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. (Only the elected will be hated because they are not of the world, even as JESUS is not of the world.)
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. (only the the elected will be saved from the evil)
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. (only the elected are not of this world just as JESUS is not)
17 Sanctify them through thy Truth: thy Word is Truth. (Only the elected are sanctified through the Truth, GOD's Word is Truth)

Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful (the cowards), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You've changed the subject entirely. If you believe KJVO, you believe a myth. Not one quark of Scripture supports KJVO; it's entirely man-made & therefore false. Only GOD can give TRUE doctrines of faith/worship.

 

[Bob_1000]

You've changed the subject entirely. If you believe KJVO, you believe a myth. Not one quark of Scripture supports KJVO; it's entirely man-made & therefore false. Only GOD can give TRUE doctrines of faith/worship.

In your opinion, what is the word of truth in today's time?

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[robycop3]

Not all, brother.

The enemy wants to attack God's Word (the KJB). I look at Modern Translations as panning through dirt to get to the gold in the KJB. Modern Translations are only helpful in the fact that they can update the 1600's English in my King James Bible. But if they say something different, the KJB is my final Word of authority.

The KJV (NOT "KJB") is but one English translation of God's word. GOD IS NOT LIMITED to it or any other one translation. KJVOs try to LIMIT GOD in His presentation of His word.

I primarily read the King James Bible as my every day Bible, and when I don’t understand a passage or verse, I look at the Webster’s Dictionary, and Modern Translations to help find the meaning behind what the KJB is saying. I try to honor what the KJB says because it is my FINAL WORD of authority. I don’t trust the Modern Translations by a long shot. Think of like this brother: Don’t even our fellow KJB Only brethren read Modern Translations just so that they can expose them by way of comparison to the KJB? What I am doing is not all that different because I am seeking to honor what the KJB says. I am aware of many of the problems in Modern Translations and I reject them as being authoritative.

So you ignore the many goofs & booboos in the KJV(NOT "KJB") such as "Easter " in Acts 12:4 & the words "and shalt be" in Rev. 16:5, which are not found in any known ancient manuscript of Revelation. And that's but a very short list of KJV errors.

Side Note:

Anyways, you may like the Defined King James Bible. The creator of the Defined King James Bible is a KJV Only advocate who added defined difficult words at the bottom of the page (but he left the text of the KJB unaltered). In his Defined KJB, he speaks against Modern Translations by way of creating a comparison charts.

Why not simply read God's word in a modern-language translation? The KJV was once a modern translation, but no longer is, same as the Model T is no longer a modern car.

Remember, 'tis GOD who causes/allows the changes in all languages, & who causes His word to be translated & re-translated as the languages change. By advocating we use only an archaic 400 year-old version, you're working AGAINST GOD, who has given us His word in OUR language.

SHAME ON YOU!

 

[robycop3]

In your opinion, what is the word of truth in today's time?

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

NKJV-NASV-ESV & a few others in English, plus other translations in over 2400 languages & dialects.

 

[trophy33]

I agree completely. The newer translations are replacing the real Jesus of the bible with the "ascended master" Jesus that they believe in.

What exactly are you complaining about... that there is the word "origins" in the original languages? Or that the translators of today translated it to modern English?