The Jellyfish in the brains of science deeply insult mankind.

[AV1611VET]

How any of this means we are "rebootable" or that the "soul" is real is not just a mystery, but a joke of one.

Since I believe the soul resides in the heart, and houses the mind, I get the question, "What if a person gets a heart transplant?"

I tell them that, in my opinion, the person's mind will reprogram his heart.

 

[Aman777]

Since I believe the soul resides in the heart, and houses the mind, I get the question, "What if a person gets a heart transplant?"

The soul in Hebrew is a being, a living being. The soul leaves the body at death because the breath of life leaves to return to it's Creator. The soul is also an invisible tape recorder (subconscious mind) which records every thought of the being it leaves.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Jesus: Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

 

[dad]

Claim without Support?? Except for all the supporting research, right dad? Your click-fu must be broken - Here, let me provide you the research clickables for you...:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022098111003510?via=ihub
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/33/8/1921/2578619​

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/33/8/1921/2578619


No support. Unless you think finding some proteins/genes/mucins/ in various creatures is support?

So if I find a metal rail on a track in a kid's park in St Petersburg Russia, and I find a steel rail on a track in Chicago, does that mean they go the same place/were built by the same people/and carry the same sort of trains?

If I see a twinkle in a star and my girlfriend's eyes, does that mean she is a star? If a rat has eyes, and you have eyes does that make you a rat? Etc

You seem to think merely placing creatures on some evo tree is research? No. The research would be showing that the jellyfish actually was related by birth to man/some supposed mystery ancestor of man and jellyfish etc.​

What do you mean "Fairy Tales. No support."?? You didn't even read the references, let alone address them... this Science thing really isn't your strength now, is it? Perhaps you should try reading further than just the "Abstract" of the research? Just saying...

Further down (I know, you haven't read anything, because that sciency "research paper" thing might have knowledge, or something equally scary in it...), you'd read this:

"The exclusion of non-commensal bacteria may have initiated the evolution of the alimentary canal and therefore the evolution of higher organisms. The water-land transition and terrestrial life also required adaptations to air breathing, resulting in the evolution of respiratory surfaces (originating from the alimentary canal) which faced the problem of providing sufficient gas exchange on the one hand and being exposed to microorganisms and particulate fouling on the other.

An airway epithelium lined with mucus evolved to serve as a particle and pathogen trap, preventing microbes from penetrating and infecting gas-exchanging regions in mammalian lungs. Mucus and trapped particles are cleared from the lungs by cilia- mediated mucus entrainment—essentially the same mechanism used for feeding by corals, filter feeding ascidians and bivalves and ciliary gliding by lower invertebrates.36 Histological studies on lungfish (Neoceratodus forsteri and Protopterus aethiopicus), the oldest living ancestors of tetrapod vertebrates, revealed the presence of ciliated cells within the intestine.37 Furthermore, in P. aethiopicus, ciliated cells and mucus secreting cells are present in the anterior parts of the lungs,37 suggesting that during vertebrate evolution, cilia-mediated mucus entrainment might have been lost in the mammalian gut surface mucosa, whereas it developed into a highly efficient particle clearance system in the airways."​

Finally, some quote that you actually think is research. Lets look at it then.

I bolded some quotes. So we take what may be created features of different kinds of animals, and find some sort of common things in various parts of the body. Conclusion: they all must be related and evolved just the right way. You kidding? I mean really???? How long will these vile little rags be called science or research when they are nothing but bad religion?

Ahh, MAGIC! Well, your Government didn't have that much confidence...

And God kept a lot of people safe despite whatever the government thought/said/did. If I recall, they said God was on their side in Germany and the US in WW2? There was a war to end all wars...? Ha. I guess there are people that believe all that rubbish.

so God didn't make them who they are? So your God isn't all-powerful?

Male and female created He them.

Nope! Not in the Least. Lobotomies were something we found out later that wasn't good for us after all. At the time, the results were thought to be better than the side effects. Now, we simply know better.

I don't believe that. I don't think many involved in the procedure cared, and were about as hell bent as some of the early abortionists to just keep doing what they do.

How's the Bible, updated to reflect Slavery is Wrong after all?

Not only slavery but all nations and all people are in sin. You think God likes things just because He does not condemn it in the bible? By the way slavery exists today and is growing. Does that mean you like it?

Leviticus 14:7 on, is blood magic. Don't tell me sprinkling blood of a dead dove onto a leper with the surviving dove before releasing it does anything of value, unless there's magic going on.

Could the dove and blood represent something? Could there be a lesson God had in it for man? Look at the Lamb sacrifices in Israel. You thought actual animal blood cleaned anything? No. It was all to show His plan of salvation, and that we needed Jesus to pay the price and save us.

Then Numbers 5:11-31 describe the procedure for the Ordeal of the Bitter Water, which causes a miscarriage.

In this case the issue is lying to God. If a woman came before God (the priest) and swore she did not commit adultery and was lying...well..there were consequences. What do I take away from this? Do not think you can lie to God. That lesson is repeated elsewhere in the bible also.

I'll take that as tacit admission you know that every relative in your family tree doesn't have to be identified before your relationship with siblings and cousins could be known using DNA.

Better still, take it as me saying that modern DNA is not related to ancient DNA in the way you thought. You cannot trace anything back further than when this nature started. That makes DNA irrelevant to the origin debate.

 

[dad]

Glorified dirt.

When God moves down to earth forever, I guess we would call the planet glorified dirt also?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

"...our inner jellyfish..."

First evolving in the cnidaria (anemones, corals and jellyfish) and ctenophores (comb jellies), these organisms are some of the most distant relatives of humans.

"Considering this, it's incredible that we still share similar genes," says Professor Burgess.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180709101219.htm

Speak for yourselves, o religious people of so called science. Stop insulting the rest of us.

Why is that an "insult"?

 

[dad]

He *Still* has my permission, so that isn't it...

To me, that says He's workin on you.

Well, your "garden" came after the Hindus did then - in fact, it came after pretty much every other religion from the Middle East - You do know all the Pharaohs were the earthly representatives of the polytheistic Gods everyone believed in at the time? The Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt were well established for several millenia before the abrahamic religions were even imagined, they never knew your God existed. Your religion came about around the rebirth of civilisation with Rome and Greece, post Ancient Egypt civilisations.

Yes, they had rejected God and turned to other gods...lots of them. I was surprised recently to find out that Greece, and Egypt and Babylon (and I think a few more) all came to exist within about 100 years or something of each other, and more importantly of the nature change time (which I place at the time of Babel)

So, no, nothing pre dates the One true God or His children.

He still did the right thing...

Yes and is still highly honored, for example his name is on the Eternal foundation of the walls of new Jerusalem. That wall is something like 6000 miles ling, 240 feet high, and composed of diamond, topaz, ruby, emerald...etc etc.

Nevertheless he also became an example of weak faith.

lol! How does your God fail at knowing what evidence is? Does he need to do Science 101? If your God is as knowledgeable and powerful as you want us to believe he is, then for you to suggest he would give no physical evidence and expect us to use "faith" of all things to discern his existence, is a fools errand. I think there's a joke being played on you, and anyone who seriously presents this as the evidence we should accept for his existence. You don't just assume the Bible is true and discard everything that doesn't agree with it unless you want to become a sycophant to an idea (think Bibolatry or Idolatry of the Literal Bible, a term I heard Tracie Harris coin - and it fits here).

I assume Tracie is wrong and God is right. The more I look at science, the more I know God to be right.

There's nothing one couldn't believe in by faith. Faith is the most unreliable way to come to the truth.

I am not told just to believe in anything. I am asked to try to believe in Jesus. The One true God and creator and only way to eternal life and the Father.

 

[dad]

That's because God the Trinity CREATED them. Beasts of the field, Birds and Humans were made temporarily by Jesus called Lord God in the OT. The beasts of the field, birds and SOME Humans were created by God the Trinity. Some Humans have decided to reject God's Truth and will be lost.

Whatever decision a man that was created makes comes after the fact of being created.

Humans made temporarily? Ridiculous.

It does little good to tell you anything since, like Trump, you THINK you know it all.

Well, maybe we should ask Clinton or Obama?

What is evident is that you don't know the difference between God the Trinity's Eternal kinds and the kinds made temporarily by Jesus.

Since the bible mentions no such foolish thing, we must chalk it up to your opinion/agenda.

 

[dad]

Why is that an "insult"?

Why would it be an insult to claim your mom was a goat? It is insulting, undignified, and simply not based on reality.

 

[cfyahoo08]

I am set in my ways regarding evidence, yes. There was little to be objective about regarding this NDE study. By its very nature - basically, asking people that had heart attacks what they experienced before resuscitation - the study was almost entirely subjective. Add to that the fact that despite the hype about its size and scope, the conclusions were basically 'more needs to be done'.
How any of this means we are "rebootable" or that the "soul" is real is not just a mystery, but a joke of one.

Show me something / someone that is ever been completely free of bias or pre-conceived outcomes. Are you so convinced your right that your committing a fallacy , sometimes its not what you say but how you say it, if you are not here for learning and enlightenment, what are you here for (on the forum) ?

 

[Kylie]

Again, we wait for substance.

Coming from the guy who has never provided any evidence in support of his claims...

 

[Aman777]

When God moves down to earth forever, I guess we would call the planet glorified dirt also?

You're confusing the present Earth with the New Earth of the 3rd Heaven, where New Jerusalem is located.

Rev 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The present Earth will already be burned.

2Pe 3:10 ¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Can you tell us what happens when elements melt?

 

[dad]

Coming from the guy who has never provided any evidence in support of his claims...

Thanks for the whine I guess. But it really would be good to work on getting some content.

 

[Aman777]

Whatever decision a man that was created makes comes after the fact of being created.

Un-Scriptural since there are billions of Humans alive today who remain without God by their own choice. When God the Trinity "creates" it's an eternal creation. Humankind MUST be born again.

Humans made temporarily? Ridiculous.

We are all temporary beings because we are all subject to Death. Those who are created by God the Trinity are alive forevermore. Lord God/Jesus made us all from the contaminated air, dust and water made apart from God in the beginning. ANYthing made from these elements is temporary, mortal and subject to death.

Aman:>>What is evident is that you don't know the difference between God the Trinity's Eternal kinds and the kinds made temporarily by Jesus.

Since the bible mentions no such foolish thing, we must chalk it up to your opinion/agenda.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after His kind, and cattle after Their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

With your understanding, please tell us the difference between His and Their kinds? Amen?

 

[dad]

Can you tell us what happens when elements melt?

Yes. I could. But since you seem to think you are in the same family tree as jellyfish, and the bible tells you this, I wouldn't worry about elements melting. I would worry about thinking things like Adam popped onto this planet from some under the lake bubble, and found himself in some planet of the ape like world...etc etc.

 

[dad]

Un-Scriptural since there are billions of Humans alive today who remain without God by their own choice. When God the Trinity "creates" it's an eternal creation. Humankind MUST be born again.

So that means God did not breathe life into Adam?

We are all temporary beings because we are all subject to Death. Those who are created by God the Trinity are alive forevermore. Lord God/Jesus made us all from the contaminated air, dust and water made apart from God in the beginning. ANYthing made from these elements is temporary, mortal and subject to death.

Seems to me the wicked also stand to be judged and have an eternal fate.

With your understanding, please tell us the difference between His and Their kinds? Amen?

You monkeying around with pronouns.

 

[Aman777]

Yes. I could. But since you seem to think you are in the same family tree as jellyfish, and the bible tells you this,

False since I have always posted that Humans (descendants of Adam) had our genetics contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (prehistoric people) when Noah's grandsons married the women who were already here when Adam's firmament arrived. Those prehistoric women had inherited the genetics of "every living creature that moveth" from WATER. Gen 1:21 Today, ALL Humans have inherited the genetics of prehistoric people and jellyfish, including yourself. Gen 6:4

I wouldn't worry about elements melting. I would worry about thinking things like Adam popped onto this planet from some under the lake bubble, and found himself in some planet of the ape like world...etc etc.

I have no problem since I support what I post with God's Holy Word. Can you?

 

[Aman777]

So that means God did not breathe life into Adam?

Exactly and Scripture shows that it was Jesus/Lord God who breathed temporary life into Adam. Genesis 2:7 God the Trinity later "created" Adam eternally AFTER Eve was made. Genesis 1:27

Seems to me the wicked also stand to be judged and have an eternal fate.

Amen, but to live in pain like a worm is not a good outcome.

You monkeying around with pronouns.

It's consistent throughout Scripture. Want more witnesses from the Bible?

 

[dad]

Today, ALL Humans have inherited the genetics of prehistoric people and jellyfish, including yourself. Gen 6:4

I wouldn't mind that story from an open atheist.

I have no problem since I support what I post with God's Holy Word. Can you?

In your case, it is a problem.

 

[dad]

Exactly and Scripture shows that it was Jesus/Lord God who breathed temporary life into Adam. Genesis 2:7 God the Trinity later "created" Adam eternally AFTER Eve was made. Genesis 1:27

Then they all ate cheerios that turned into little flying saucers?

It's consistent throughout Scripture. Want more witnesses from the Bible?

For some people I guess pink unicorns are consistent throughout the bible.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Why would it be an insult to claim your mom was a goat? It is insulting, undignified, and simply not based on reality.

Logically, it is just as insulting to claim our heritage is dirt.