The Jellyfish in the brains of science deeply insult mankind.

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Science of man is too small to handles it. To top it off they have rejected the truth of God from the outset, so they miss the truth in all they see. Their inventions are lying vanities when it comes to their anti creation fables.

Science admits its limitations by acknowledging that it can't test the supernatural, it can only deal with reality. In this respect, it is literally the best way by which we come to the truth of a thing. That your God doesn't manifest in any way isn't the fault of Science.

Science does though and you have been blindly and loudly cheer leading for it's whoppers.

Poppycock! What does Science declare about the beginning of the Universe? Provide citations or admit your error.

? Nonsensical rambling. Nothing about our phones or tv has anything to do with deep space.

It's the same physics being applied everywhere. If it were different there than here, then why does all the physics work for problems out there in exactly the same way it does here?

Yes I can explain it easily. Science is totally out to lunch and must remain in the absolute dark and can never possible find the truth despite their frenzied learning. The world and stars were created.

Yet despite another of your unfounded assertions, we know quite a lot about the universe all around us, and they don't look created at all. Is your God lying to us about the facts his creation demonstrates? or is your God a trickster God?

They are about explaining away creation, and inventing godless whoppers for pay. Hired denizens of darkness.

Science is about deception and instilling doubt in creation. They religiously strive to make their cunning devised fables believable by trying to incorporate partial knowledge and truths in with the woven web of directly Satan inspired demon talk.

Why? What value is false information in Science? If creation is true, then this would be obvious unless your God is hiding that fact. Science isn't some dark art - You can make your own observations just like I can, and see the evidence for yourself, you aren't beholdened to Scientists for the facts and observations about the universe at large... In fact, if you make your observations and can demonstrate a created universe, you'd win the Nobel Prize!

....I wonder why 'creation scientists' haven't been able to provide any evidence of your fantasy version of creation?

None at all of which have the remotest connection to origin fables.

yet all of the evidence shows us to be formed in all the same ways as every other life form on this planet, right down to fitting perfectly within a branching tree of life with all the required derived characteristics exactly as if we evolved along with every other living creature. Because of that, all the medical testing and vaccine/drug development works a right treat!

Do you feel that mankind all through history was engaged in some conspiracy in saying spirits lived?

It's not a secret that humans are superstitious. We've historically claimed Gods were the cause of all manners of naturally occurring phenomena since recorded history has been available. Look at the myriads of Gods that existed before yours was around. Sun God Ra, Zeus and Thor, etc. blamed for the Sun traversing the sky, seasons, thunder and lightning, plagues, etc.

Then there's the obvious fact that all the superstitious people believing in some god(s) or other, all believe a different version of deity, even those of supposedly the same religion - you all believe in a wildly different version of a God (or Gods) while labelling even those of the same religion as Heretics for not believing in your particular flavour of superstition...

There are no billions of light years that is all in your head and part of a religion of darkness.

See? You have to deny what reality tells us! lol!

Us either.

...and There we have it verified - How old is the universe again?? lol!

The evidences cannot lead. What leads origin fable manufacturing is the religious criteria by which they weld facts, and filter all things.

so, you don't understand it, therefore your preferred delusion is right? What facts are being filtered, point me to that evidence!

Which has zero to do with godless origin sciences.

...in your imagination only....

Denying spirits which have been a matter of almost universal historical knowledge and record, and doing so with not a shred of evidence is lunacy. Science creams out at God 'we will remake the universe in our image, and leave you out of all our knowledge, and deny all miracles without evidence, and religiously model a universe void of any spiritual elements at all.

If 'spirits' and associated nonsense is a thing, then you'll easily be able to demonstrate it. I'll be interested to see it, but honestly, you've never been able to argue for such things existing let alone proffer any tangible evidence for it...

Good luck with that! lol!

 

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Science admits its limitations by acknowledging that it can't test the supernatural, it can only deal with reality. In this respect, it is literally the best way by which we come to the truth of a thing. That your God doesn't manifest in any way isn't the fault of Science.

That leaves it in the tenuous position of not knowing anything about the spirit realm or being able to deal with it at all. It leaves it in the position of embracing a hopelessly inadequate and partial set of criteria from which to construct models of the unknown. Basically they are relegated to being a religion because of their denial.

Poppycock! What does Science declare about the beginning of the Universe? Provide citations or admit your error.

It declares that a little singularity for some unknown reason expanded into the universe. It declares stars are the result. It declares man is an animal and shares ancestors with cockroaches and worms. It declares the universe will grow dark one day and the sun will act a certain way in billions of years etc etc. It declares great ages based on extrapolating present nature processes and laws. Etc etc. Need more?

It's the same physics being applied everywhere. If it were different there than here, then why does all the physics work for problems out there in exactly the same way it does here?

Riddle me this then, how would we in the fishbowl here where time exists a certain way, and laws etc...know anything about how it would/could/should work elsewhere?

Yet despite another of your unfounded assertions, we know quite a lot about the universe all around us, and they don't look created at all. Is your God lying to us about the facts his creation demonstrates? or is your God a trickster God?

Those who get tricked do so not from what He revealed to man actually. Guess who that leaves?

Why? What value is false information in Science? If creation is true, then this would be obvious unless your God is hiding that fact. Science isn't some dark art - You can make your own observations just like I can, and see the evidence for yourself, you aren't beholdened to Scientists for the facts and observations about the universe at large... In fact, if you make your observations and can demonstrate a created universe, you'd win the Nobel Prize!

Observations as seen from within the religion and belief set of science must look a certain way, since they are only working with a few pistons firing!

....I wonder why 'creation scientists' haven't been able to provide any evidence of your fantasy version of creation?

With what...fishbowl science!? Ha.

yet all of the evidence shows us to be formed in all the same ways as every other life form on this planet, right down to fitting perfectly within a branching tree of life with all the required derived characteristics exactly as if we evolved along with every other living creature. Because of that, all the medical testing and vaccine/drug development works a right treat!

False. We know of some evolving, but not how much went on. They religiously declare it all came from evolving, which is tantamount to worshiping the creature more than the creator. There was plenty of evolving from the created kinds and adapting as needed. Evolving was a created trait. Your religion seeks to bow down and give evolving the glory for creation itself. Nothing could be more ignorant.

It's not a secret that humans are superstitious. We've historically claimed Gods were the cause of all manners of naturally occurring phenomena since recorded history has been available. Look at the myriads of Gods that existed before yours was around. Sun God Ra, Zeus and Thor, etc. blamed for the Sun traversing the sky, seasons, thunder and lightning, plagues, etc.

I am not in denial that real spirits with various names existed. There are lots of spirits and always have been on earth. It is a conspiracy theory to suggest that all the spirits were made up and lies. You do realize you are a conspiracy theorist? In denial? Not only that but with NO reason, or proof.

See? You have to deny what reality tells us! lol!

Not sure why you feel free to even use the word reality. For science, reality is just whatever fits their silly little pug nosed religion.

...and There we have it verified - How old is the universe again?? lol!

God's universe or man's?

so, you don't understand it, therefore your preferred delusion is right? What facts are being filtered, point me to that evidence!

That is a question big enough for a whole thread.

If 'spirits' and associated nonsense is a thing, then you'll easily be able to demonstrate it. I'll be interested to see it, but honestly, you've never been able to argue for such things existing let alone proffer any tangible evidence for it...

Science has relegated itself to the physical only. It is forever blind to anything spiritual by an act of the will.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

That leaves it in the tenuous position of not knowing anything about the spirit realm or being able to deal with it at all. It leaves it in the position of embracing a hopelessly inadequate and partial set of criteria from which to construct models of the unknown. Basically they are relegated to being a religion because of their denial.

Why would we care about some unsubstantiated realm if it has no effect here? Science only deals with REALITY! and the effects in it, regardless whether such a spirit realm exists or not. Theology, religions and astrology are more appropriate forum for such unverifiable suppositions, not Science.

It declares that a little singularity for some unknown reason expanded into the universe. It declares stars are the result. It declares man is an animal and shares ancestors with cockroaches and worms. It declares the universe will grow dark one day and the sun will act a certain way in billions of years etc etc. It declares great ages based on extrapolating present nature processes and laws. Etc etc. Need more?

Replace "declares" with "demonstrates" and this is accurate. Science has nothing to say about the cause of that singularity though, so still has nothing to say about it, science literally has no idea what caused it - your God could very well be the cause of it for all we know, are you saying your God couldn't have created this Universe in the way Science has found evidence for, if he wanted to? After all, Science is examining the alleged "Creation" directly, unfiltered by fallible men's interpretation written down thousands of years ago.

Riddle me this then, how would we in the fishbowl here where time exists a certain way, and laws etc...know anything about how it would/could/should work elsewhere?

By comparing what we see and examine out there with what we see and examine right here, it matches! That this basic concept escapes you is completely confounding. Again, I point you to the doppler effect and of course the hypothetical scenario where you stop time for an LP on a turntable & notice how no sound is forthcoming, just like no light would be forthcoming if time wasn't a reality in the far universe, let alone identical to how we would expect to see it, almost as if our frame of time is pervasive everywhere we look.

Those who get tricked do so not from what He revealed to man actually. Guess who that leaves?

You. All the science and knowledge derived from it can be retested from scratch yourself. You are not obliged to take someone else's word for it. You can go out and perform all the science experiments on your own independently of anyone else, redoing them from a clean slate if you wanted to because all genuine scientific research includes all the data and observations gathered along with the methodology of the research or experiment for others to examine and test themselves (not just scientists). Your interpretation of your religion though, that's not open for retesting. There's no way for anyone to independently verify the assertions in the Bible, nor is there a way to verify any supposed "facts" that the bible promotes. You literally have to set aside all your critical faculties and adopt this unverified position without any way to test it for fact.

Observations as seen from within the religion and belief set of science must look a certain way, since they are only working with a few pistons firing!

Since Science only works within reality, I challenge you to point out the evidence or observations that Science is missing. Let me prophetically state that All your conjecture about the "spirit realm" will pan out to thin air. That said though, evidence will make me re-evaluate my position - Good Luck!

With what...fishbowl science!? Ha.

Nope, they insist on using 'Not' Science. Then they wonder why nobody in Science takes them seriously... lol!

False. We know of some evolving, but not how much went on. They religiously declare it all came from evolving, which is tantamount to worshiping the creature more than the creator. There was plenty of evolving from the created kinds and adapting as needed. Evolving was a created trait. Your religion seeks to bow down and give evolving the glory for creation itself. Nothing could be more ignorant.

LOOOOL! Assessing all the evidence, creating a working theory and model from it, then demonstrating novel predictions from that model that come true, is "ignorant" but ignoring all of the evidence and claiming an unevidenced and unsupportable fantasy position to be true in lieu, is "not ignorant"?? Oh, my!!

I am not in denial that real spirits with various names existed. There are lots of spirits and always have been on earth. It is a conspiracy theory to suggest that all the spirits were made up and lies. You do realize you are a conspiracy theorist? In denial? Not only that but with NO reason, or proof.

......HAAAAAAhahaha! "NO reason, or proof" is WHY I don't accept the assertions of spirits, ghosts, demons and Gods! roflolololol! Where's your EVIDENCE!

Not sure why you feel free to even use the word reality. For science, reality is just whatever fits their silly little pug nosed religion.

lol! Science is the endeavour to Explain Reality! That's why we embark on these efforts in the first place. If your wild ideas about spirit realms having any impact here in this universe were true, then we could test for, and study it. These things have been put to the test before, but they've always come up empty. Why is that??

So, in short, it's still true that you deny what reality reveals to us while simultaneously asserting unsubstantiated parallel realms with ghosts and goblins - your posts are seriously spouting the ravings of a looney tune! This'd be Funny if it wasn't so scary... that I'm on the other side of the world from you is a Godsend (pun intended!)!

God's universe or man's?

Reality. There's only one universe here for us to examine.

That is a question big enough for a whole thread.

I'm not going anywhere, just in case you haven't worked that out already, so let's start.

Science has relegated itself to the physical only. It is forever blind to anything spiritual by an act of the will.

and for good reason too. If it has no effect on us here in this universe, then it might as well not exist, because the effects are exactly the same as something that doesn't exist. If it has an effect on this universe in any way, then we can test for, and study it.