The Jellyfish in the brains of science deeply insult mankind.

[dad]

I don't think they're our ancestors, but we quite likely share a common ancestor, so I'll go with the science and evidence that suggests this is the case.

Well, if you share parents with jellyfish, you basically are in the jellyfish family. No evidence suggests we are. Only your beliefs painted onto the evidences suggest that to you.

What you want to be the case doesn't become any more true just because you don't like the alternate - you ask me as if my opinion about us being related to all other life on this planet would change the outcome of what is true. it doesn't. True things are True. we get more benefit from knowing true things rather than believing flights of fancy that make us feel important...

Men who have not (yet) turned to God and His word do not have the capacity to know what is true. So they can get no benefit from knowing the truth.

I tell you what, Find actual tangible evidence that supports us not being related to all other living things, and we can discuss it then.

The DNA links are easily smashed to smithereens when we realize that a different nature in the past might not even have had what we know as modern DNA. Therefore no possibility exists to use it to trace our way back to Noah's day. The same thing holds true for radioactive processes/dating. The fossil record is of no value in the origin debate because if there was a different nature where most life could not leave fossil remains, the record we do have is hopelessly inadequate and not representative of all the life on earth in the past.

Got anything else?

 

[dad]

I never said that you claimed DNA didn't exist.

What I said was you lack the understanding by which you can compare the DNA from two different organisms to determine what relationship they have to each other. Big difference.

You lack that ability for life in the past, and life in the present is not relevant.

Yeah, you do. You deny science the second you say, "I don't want to accept that this particular scientific knowledge is true because it contradicts the thing I wish to be true."

I brush so called science aside because it has no rock to stand on, no foundation, no proof, no evidence...not because I don't like it. I accept actual science of the present day and knowledge also, not because I like it, but because it does have evidence and support and is based on knowledge. Those concerned with truth who are also acquainted with it have a filter. They do not just imbibe anything that is set before them as true. We happen to know that there are evil forces that seek to deceive and mislead men.

If you have a problem with science, you show the flaw in that science.

One big flaw is that they base everything about the past on the nature of the present with no clue what the actual nature in the past was like.

They need more than a hatred for God and His word to get their fables by us.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Well, if you share parents with jellyfish, you basically are in the jellyfish family. No evidence suggests we are. Only your beliefs painted onto the evidences suggest that to you.

Dude! You literally linked to some of the evidence in your OP! We aren't jellyfish just because we share a common ancestor in exactly the same way you aren't your cousins because you share grandparents... You need to learn some subject matter before making such silly posts on the open internet...

Men who have not (yet) turned to God and His word do not have the capacity to know what is true. So they can get no benefit from knowing the truth.

then there are people like you who literally don't know the truth when it's presented to you on a silver platter with a bow on it.... If only there was a method we could employ which would most likely get to the truth of something without presuppositions interfering with it...

The DNA links are easily smashed to smithereens when we realize that a different nature in the past might not even have had what we know as modern DNA. Therefore no possibility exists to use it to trace our way back to Noah's day. The same thing holds true for radioactive processes/dating. The fossil record is of no value in the origin debate because if there was a different nature where most life could not leave fossil remains, the record we do have is hopelessly inadequate and not representative of all the life on earth in the past.

Aaaahh! This fabled 'different state past'! Yeah, perhaps it might be smashed to smithereens if such a state were present (but still far from guaranteed) given life likely wouldn't exist at all - Lucky for us, there's no evidence of such a state, let alone that we don't exist because this fabled 'different state past' did...

Got anything else?

Heaps. You got anything at all?

 

[dad]

Both, we've been getting pretty good at measuring a wide array of brain function - we've even been able to reconstruct images that we are picturing in our minds using MRI:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3326357/​

We've known about endorphin levels for a long time, they aren't really groundbreaking - The various studies we have on emotions and how they relate to synaptic activity in the brain is pretty comprehensive these days though:

https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/19/4445684/brain--scan-fmri-identify-emotion
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2013/june/june19_identifyingemotions.html
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/sds/docs/loewenstein/EmotionNeuralAct.pdf
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.658.8354&rep=rep1&type=pdf​

Question: If a spirit affected certain areas of the brain how would you know if it was affected...or if the brain did it all?

 

[dad]

Dude! You literally linked to some of the evidence in your OP! We aren't jellyfish just because we share a common ancestor in exactly the same way you aren't your cousins because you share grandparents... You need to learn some subject matter before making such silly posts on the open internet...

The thing is jellyfish are just sea creatures. Your belief system elevates them to actual relatives by some unknown supposed ancestors of man. We do not share a common ancestor.

then there are people like you who literally don't know the truth when it's presented to you on a silver platter with a bow on it.... If only there was a method we could employ which would most likely get to the truth of something without presuppositions interfering with it...

The lie of evolution could be squirted with chanel # 5 and dressed in a tux and plated with gold....it is still a lie. Evolution IS presuppositions. Presuppositions designed by the forces of hell to keep people away from the truth of creation.

Aaaahh! This fabled 'different state past'! Yeah, perhaps it might be smashed to smithereens if such a state were present (but still far from guaranteed) given life likely wouldn't exist at all - Lucky for us, there's no evidence of such a state, let alone that we don't exist because this fabled 'different state past' did...

Heaps. You got anything at all?

There is no basis to your claim that without the current nature life could not exist. Life never existed because nature of any kind made it likely, but because God is life and He created life on earth.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Question: If a spirit affected certain areas of the brain how would you know if it was affected...or if the brain did it all?

Show that a spirit is real first. Then after you get over that hurdle, show that a spirit could affect anything, let alone certain areas of the brain.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The thing is jellyfish are just sea creatures. Your belief system elevates them to actual relatives by some unknown supposed ancestors of man. We do not share a common ancestor.

Well, the thing is humans are just land creatures. Your belief system elevates us to some untouchable ethereal infused life form despite all of the evidence showing us to be made of the exact same materials and that the structure of that material shows us that we're related to all other forms of life here. You've done nothing to doubt any of the reams upon reams of research showing this.

The lie of evolution could be squirted with chanel # 5 and dressed in a tux and plated with gold....it is still a lie. Evolution IS presuppositions. Presuppositions designed by the forces of hell to keep people away from the truth of creation.

there's far more evidence in support of it, than could be squirted with all the chanel # 5 on the planet let alone that it constitutes the biggest lie ever conceived and not yet found out by scientists who are trained in the scientific method working on it all day, every day. Why can't you debunk even basic elements of Evolution rather than posting this aimless pathetic rhetoric you pump out in lieu?

There is no basis to your claim that without the current nature life could not exist. Life never existed because nature of any kind made it likely, but because God is life and He created life on earth.

On the other hand, there is no basis to any of your claims.

 

[tas8831]

"...our inner jellyfish..."

First evolving in the cnidaria (anemones, corals and jellyfish) and ctenophores (comb jellies), these organisms are some of the most distant relatives of humans.

"Considering this, it's incredible that we still share similar genes," says Professor Burgess.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180709101219.htm

Speak for yourselves, o religious people of so called science. Stop insulting the rest of us.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Ah, so much more dignified...

 

[tas8831]

I did. There is nothing to it. Just strange beliefs foisted onto fossils and other things.

You did research this? Please tell us what you read.

 

[tas8831]

Our bodies are from this world but there's a big difference between us and any other creature from this planet, we have a soul.Science will always find similar things between us and the other creatures, it's normal, we are from this world, but they will never found a different creature that has a soul.

Question begging is so awesome.

Can you please provide some valid evidence for this "soul" you speak of?

 

[tas8831]

Do you love your family ?

Non sequitur?

Concession accepted.

 

[cfyahoo08]

Show that a spirit is real first. Then after you get over that hurdle, show that a spirit could affect anything, let alone certain areas of the brain.

How does scientific theory work in your eyes ?

 

[cfyahoo08]

Non sequitur?

Concession accepted.

lol, what are you talking about ? that was not even addressed to you if I recall correctly. Cherry picking what you want to try and be relevant won't make you look cleaver

 

[tas8831]

Love, this is the answer, the only answer, the answer to all the evil, the answer to all problems.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15: 13

"Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'" Matthew 23:37

"The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."" Mark 12:31

Another answer is to just murder those that don't fall in line - to include their children and fetuses:

Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Such love...

Can you answer to me why a person can give his/her life to save someone's else life? It should not happen, well, according to evolution, primary instincts, you know, my body "forces" me to think about at my own good first, still, it happens.

There is an exhaustive literature on altruism if you were ever actually interested.

 

[tas8831]

Science has no clue we even have a soul!!!!

The thing is.... Question Begging is not a legitimate form of inquiry or argument.

You write about a 'soul' as if this thing has been established.

I'm guessing that your sole bit of 'evidence' for a soul is Scripture and/or religious writings?

 

[cfyahoo08]

The thing is.... Question Begging is not a legitimate form of inquiry or argument.

You write about a 'soul' as if this thing has been established.

I'm guessing that your sole bit of 'evidence' for a soul is Scripture and/or religious writings?

We are rebootable

 

[AV1611VET]

Show that a spirit is real first. Then after you get over that hurdle, show that a spirit could affect anything, let alone certain areas of the brain.

I like what my pastor once pointed out.

Matthew 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

After healing the sick, raising the dead, and walking on water, those empiricists still wanted more proof.

Do you really think they were going to believe Him if He came down from the cross?

Empiricists today are no different.

 

[tas8831]

lol, what are you talking about ? that was not even addressed to you if I recall correctly.

So what? This is a public forum.

Cherry picking what you want to try and be relevant won't make you look cleaver

Why would I want to look like this:

Answering a question about evidence for a 'soul' with a question about love is sad.
It is not evidence, not argument, it is a cop out.

A concession, as admission that you've got nothing.

 

[tas8831]

The soul is that part of you that is capable of love. Without it we would just be going thru robotic / instinctual motions of life.

Evidence please.

 

[AirPo]

I like what my pastor once pointed out.

Matthew 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

After healing the sick, raising the dead, and walking on water, those empiricists still wanted more proof.

Do you really think they were going to believe Him if He came down from the cross?

Empiricists today are no different.

So Matthew was an empiricist? Or it's your pastor?