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The IRS is hiring special agents prepared to use 'deadly force' if needed and is paying up to $95,000

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That election officials told lies about Georgia is undeniable by logic, because the various tales of the delay changes and were contradictory. There still is no verified explanation that I have seen justifying the delay. Much of what happened we simply do not know.

What delays? The delay that turned out not to have occurred. And you do realize there have been multiple investigations into the election, overseen by Republicans, of what happened in Georgia and none of them have shown any type of major fraud. I'd also suggest that we do know, largely because the things you ask for below, like Voter ID and video cameras, were used in Georgia last election.

There are prominent Democrats who are election deniers with far less evidence, and where there are improprieties people, Democrat, Republic, or other are going to seriously question the results.
With "far less evidence" -- it is hard to have less evidence than what, at this point, is zero evidence of any major fraud in 2020, particularly after the numerous investigations. I'm sorry, Whataboutism doesn't help your argument.

If I were a Republican or a Democrat for any election I would do as much as I could to make the process as transparent and fair as possible.
Great, you should work with your state and national legislators to get laws passed to make it more transparent. Unfortunately, I see little effort to do that from most Republicans -- instead the efforts appear to be making it harder for people to vote, and easier for the legislatures to overturn results of elections they don't like, rather than transparency.

That means things like voter ID and video cameras for the whole chain of custody. As to the rest of the election, the executive branch was weaponized by the Biden campaign instigated by an effort to see Joe was elected. I call that election interference. Not all Democrats are supporting dishonest statements by Joe and his administration. Democrats in border states with Mexico have strongly spoken out.

The Executive Branch was controlled by Pres. Trump. Biden, nor his campaign, had anything to do with the executive branch in the 2020 election. And your assertion of claims being made by "border states" have zero to do with the 2020 election.
 
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In the United States the IRS was previously caught going after conservative groups. Now the commissioner of the IRS is putting out propaganda to support the IRS while he should be focusing on the huge backlog of returns. The IRS currently has over 2 MILLION ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION!!!!!
How many Americans in the past year have fired at IRS agents???
I've been a member here long enough to remember the last time the right was shrieking about how the government was buying up all the ammo so they could murderize us
Yeah... Joe and the libs are building themselves a little army they can sic on people. These agents are not going after their favorite target, the millionaires and billionaires. They are coming after you. It is exceeding easy to target people for tax issues. A nice pretext for coming to get their political rivals.
2,800 criminal investigator is an "army"? You're also confusing fan fiction about what President Biden could possibly do with what Donald already actually did.
 
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I've been a member here long enough to remember the last time the right was shrieking about how the government was buying up all the ammo so they could murderize us
Slick of you to avoid the question. The fact is the IRS currently has 5 million (corrected) rounds of ammo. And I asked "How many Americans in the past year have fired at IRS agents???" How many? This is taxpayer money that Joe wants to use to recruit agents who can kill if they have to. That's a fact too. I say that two million rounds is enough to handle any people who shoot at IRS agents. At a minimum it is wasteful spending, Joe had now for almost three months refused to sit down and talk with the Speaker about it.
 
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Yes - the weaponized IRS of the Obama years is still in the memory of lots of people. But hey the head of the IRS said she would not use the extra agents the lawless way she did before....soooooo we can just believe that.
Ah yes. We all remember when various Tea Party groups tried to game the system and claim they were "educational charities" when they actually were just PACs. Lois Lerner was right.
 
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Slick of you to avoid the question. The fact is the IRS currently has more than 2 million rounds of ammo.
How about you provide a citation and demonstrate it to be a fact before we delve into inane, histrionic hypotheticals?
 
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Slick of you to avoid the question. The fact is the IRS currently has more than 2 million rounds of ammo. And I asked "How many Americans in the past year have fired at IRS agents???" How many? This is taxpayer money that Joe wants to use to recruit agents who can kill if they have to. That's a fact too. I say that two million rounds is enough to handle any people who shoot at IRS agents. At a minimum it is wasteful spending, Joe had now for almost three months refused to sit down and talk with the Speaker about it.
Wasn’t this a topic here some months back? I recall all the screaming about why do they need so many rounds. Then it was pointed out that those authorized to carry at the IRS would also be required to continuously train at the range using quite a bit of that stockpile over time.

It must be time to recycle old news and reignite previously debunked fears.
 
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Wasn’t this a topic here some months back? I recall all the screaming about why do they need so many rounds. Then it was pointed out that those authorized to carry at the IRS would also be required to continuously train at the range using quite a bit of that stockpile over time.

It must be time to recycle old news and reignite previously debunked fears.
The thread to which I linked about DHS and the 1.6 billion rounds was from 2014. It's the same old thing. "Be scared of this and vote me into power so I can stop them from coming after you!"
 
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They will conduct arrests, search warrants, and "other dangerous assignments." But most importantly, they must be legally allowed to carry a gun.
...unless you're part of a tax evading organization that resorts to violence, what do you have to worry about?
 
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You people are experts at avoiding answering questions and deflecting. Like paying off the student loans of wealthy Democrat staffers, getting more shoot-to-kill IRS agents is totally unnecessary. If they use a MILLION in target practice, WE HAVE ENOUGH. Legislation has been proposed that does not support this kind of wasteful spending. Joe has virtually destroyed everything he has touched and put the poor people of this nation in dire straits. Talk about a president not in touch with reality, why not use the money to help the immigrants who have been sex trafficked or the homeless?
 
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I've been a member here long enough to remember the last time the right was shrieking about how the government was buying up all the ammo so they could murderize us

2,800 criminal investigator is an "army"? You're also confusing fan fiction about what President Biden could possibly do with what Donald already actually did.
Not to mention
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You people are experts at avoiding answering questions and deflecting. Like paying off the student loans of wealthy Democrat staffers, getting more shoot-to-kill IRS agents is totally unnecessary. If they use a MILLION in target practice, WE HAVE ENOUGH. Legislation has been proposed that does not support this kind of wasteful spending. Joe has virtually destroyed everything he has touched and put the poor people of this nation in dire straits. Talk about a president not in touch with reality, why not use the money to help the immigrants who have been sex trafficked or the homeless?

How about you provide a citation and demonstrate it to be a fact before we delve into inane, histrionic hypotheticals?
I'm still hoping for that citation.
 
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I'm still hoping for that citation.
No problem, I'd like more exact numbers myself:
Citing audits and a report from OpenTheBooks on arms spending by over 100 federal agencies, many with their own police forces, Americans for Tax Reform said that even before spending a dime of the new money, the IRS already has an arsenal of 4,600 firearms and 5 million rounds of ammunition.

 
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Citing audits and a report from OpenTheBooks on arms spending by over 100 federal agencies, many with their own police forces, Americans for Tax Reform said that even before spending a dime of the new money, the IRS already has an arsenal of 4,600 firearms and 5 million rounds of ammunition.
Those numbers aren't so scary when you break them down.

Here's some information from a 2018 Government Accountability Office report. At that time the IRS had 2,148 Criminal Investigation Agents, 4,461 Firearms and 5,047,300 rounds of ammunition. This breaks down as follows:

  • 2.08 Firearms per agent

  • 3,286 handguns
  • 3,151,500 rounds
  • 959 rounds per handgun

  • 621 shotguns
  • 367,750 rounds
  • 592 rounds per shotgun

  • 539 rifles
  • 1,472,050 rounds
  • 2,731 rounds per rifle

  • 15 fully automatic firearms
  • 56,000 rounds
  • 3,733 rounds per fully automatic firearm


When you factor in the training requirements, practice and qualification requirements; it makes sense as to why the IRS, with 2,100+ Criminal Investigation Agents, requires the amount ammunition that it does.
  • Before special agents are authorized to carry or use any IRS-owned weapon, they must successfully complete firearms training provided during the CITP and SABT at the FLETC.
  • Qualify bi-annually in non-consecutive quarters with assigned IRS-CI issued handgun
  • Qualify bi-annually in non-consecutive quarters long guns
  • Participate annually in shotgun familiarization, including review of the shotgun's function, operation, safe handling, and/or live-fire exercises
  • Participate annually in rifle familiarization, including review of the long gun's function, operation, safe handling, and/or live-fire exercises
  • Cadre members, as soon as practical, must attend the IRS M&P 15 Firearms Instructor Training that is facilitated by certified IRS-CI Sub-Machine Gun (SMG) instructors
  • Cadre members will receive two additional training days (16 hours annually) to maintain skills and necessary proficiency
  • Special agents generally will be limited to two attempts to qualify on any given day. This does not preclude a practice course beforehand. If special agents fail to qualify, they may fire a maximum of two additional qualification courses that day
  • Special agents are encouraged to use range facilities outside regular duty hours to maintain or improve their firearms proficiency. Within reason, the IRS will make ammunition available for this purpose.
  • Because it promotes increased skill with firearms, participation in pistol shooting competitions is viewed as an extension of CI’s policy regarding approved firearms practice. Expenses incurred as a result of participation by special agents in such competitions may be paid or reimbursed by CI if such participation is in the interest of the IRS.

 
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What delays? The delay that turned out not to have occurred. And you do realize there have been multiple investigations into the election, overseen by Republicans, of what happened in Georgia and none of them have shown any type of major fraud. I'd also suggest that we do know, largely because the things you ask for below, like Voter ID and video cameras, were used in Georgia last election.
Let's not rewrite history. The delay did occur, the Republican observers in Georgia asked and were told they could go home. The numerous stories about water leaks causing the delays turned out to be lies. It also was a lie that there was always a Republican observer present, we know that was a lie from a video recording of the count. The workers lawyered up and that's where we stand today. We also know now that election laws were broken, remember the court ruling in Wisconsin? Voter ID is a minimal requirements, if one can say that Republicans make it harder to vote by requiring ID then one could say Democrats make it harder for the poor to collect federal benefits by requiring ID. Republicans have made progress in many states, in 2022 Nebraska became the 36th state to require some kind of voter ID at the polls. In that case it was a citizen initiative that passed. Chain of custody of ballots is extremely important.
 
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Take your own advice.
The delay indeed happened. The Republican observers left after being told the counting would start again the next morning. EVERY American should be demanding the truth.
 
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Let's not rewrite history. The delay did occur, the Republican observers in Georgia asked and were told they could go home.

There was no real delay. The workers at the center, some of whom did come in early due to the water issue, thought they could go home for the night, and so they started packing up -- putting ballots into large "suitcases" and putting those under tables. They then received a call from the state elections board asking what they were doing, that they could not go home and needed to continue counting. They pulled those "suitcases" back out from under the tables.

The video stream clearly shows them both packing the ballots up, putting them under the table, and pulling them out again; you'd have to ask Rudy, et. al., why they deceptively edited the videos to remove them putting the cases under the table and only showed them taking the cases back out -- the video clearly shows both in a short period of time. Of course, that was the whole point of the "election interference" claims that you believe -- to manipulate facts to make people believe the election was stolen. As the tapes provided in the Fox News lawsuit clearly show, both Rudy and Powell admit they never had any evidence, zero, that their was any actual election fraud.

As for what happened at the arena, that was investigated multiple times -- different investigations by the Georgia elections board, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, and the US Department of Justice. I suppose if you care enough, you want more than the various articles written, you could submit a Freedom of Information Act request (and whatever the similar Georgia law is) to get details from their investigations.

The numerous stories about water leaks causing the delays turned out to be lies. It also was a lie that there was always a Republican observer present, we know that was a lie from a video recording of the count.

Actually, we don't know that; you are assuming that because you can't see any observers in the one edited clip supplied by Giuliani, where he intentionally edited the video to make it look like pulling the cases out was a "conspiracy," since the unedited video shows them being put there just minutes before. Since Giuliani had deceptively edited the tape, it is likely he also edited to show a couple of minutes when observers were merely out of the room. It is very possible the observers just hadn't gotten back into the room after being informed counting was resuming, and were back in the room when actual counting resumed.

The workers lawyered up and that's where we stand today.

And got death threats, etc.; not really surprising given the claims being made and the vitriol being thrown their way that they got lawyers to protect themselves.
We also know now that election laws were broken, remember the court ruling in Wisconsin? Voter ID is a minimal requirements, if one can say that Republicans make it harder to vote by requiring ID then one could say Democrats make it harder for the poor to collect federal benefits by requiring ID.

I was speaking specifically about Voter ID being required in Georgia -- state laws vary (and Republicans are the ones who don't want Federal Election laws, claiming it is unConstititonal). But tell me, what were all the laws passed after the 2020 election for, since I think almost all of the states that passed new laws already required Voter ID?

And rather than saying that you can't give out water to those who have to wait in hours long lines unless you are a poll worker (who all should be working trying to shorten the line as quickly as possible, rather than passing out water), why not make laws to shorten the line? The obvious answer is that they want to shorten the line by getting people to not vote, by making it harder.

I thought it was highly ironic how Kari Lake claimed that one of the ways the election was "stolen" is because some of her voters had to wait an hour in line to vote, because of the issues. Odd, then, that Republicans have no issue with "stealing" the vote by having long lines in Democratic areas of cities that take hours, just not a single hour, of waiting. By Kari's logic, the 2016 election may well have been stolen by Republicans -- who often keep the voting lines long in Democratic precincts (both Georgia and Texas are great examples of it).

Republicans have made progress in many states, in 2022 Nebraska became the 36th state to require some kind of voter ID at the polls. In that case it was a citizen initiative that passed. Chain of custody of ballots is extremely important.

Great, interesting then that Nebraska is a state where no one was claiming fraud. I have no issue with voter ID -- so long as IDs are inexpensive and easy to get. The issue with Voter ID laws is that some states have combined them with closing offices to get the IDs in Democratic areas, forcing them to travel to an office, and shortening the hours in the remaining offices.
 
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There was no real delay. The workers at the center, some of whom did come in early due to the water issue, thought they could go home for the night, and so they started packing up -- putting ballots into large "suitcases" and putting those under tables. They then received a call from the state elections board asking what they were doing, that they could not go home and needed to continue counting. They pulled those "suitcases" back out from under the tables.
False. There was a delay. It's too bad they didn't come up with that story in the first place or even in the first weeks, once they told the tales about a water main, leaky toilet,etc. and then falsely claimed there were always Republicans there, people would be foolish to accept new explanations at face value.. It reminds me of dealing with one of the federal agencies, each time you catch them in a lie they just invent a new story. Let me ask, what punishment did the people who lied receive?
 
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In the United States the IRS was previously caught going after conservative groups.
And they were caught going after left leaning groups next.


Now the commissioner of the IRS is putting out propaganda to support the IRS while he should be focusing on the huge backlog of returns.
OH MY GOODNESS! CAll the president of the Universe because something shocking and truly unexpected is happenning!



The IRS currently has over 2 MILLION ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION!!!!!
How many Americans in the past year have fired at IRS agents???
So, your OP was proven false.

I CHALLENGE you to consider: Why would Republicans lie about this? What is it Republicans do NOT want the IRS to be able to do? The reading I've seen suggests that they need these extra officers to fight backlogs: Why would this be problematic?
In order to go after the LARGER tax dodges (go after one rich guy or 10,000 working class folk to get the same amount of money) they need more people and resources.
 
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