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Wrong. This is not "the word of the Lord," it is from the writings of Ellen White, and she is not the Author of any Scripture. Again, if you would read and quote in context, you would first note that she says how such of her writings "bear the Word of the Lord;" but they are not Bible. Bearing the word of the Lord, and being the Word of the Lord are two different things. You "bear it" all the time, but without the correct context; thus, like the devil's example in mat 4, concocting a false gospel by only selecting snippets that APPEAR to give your views credence. Falsehood is falsehood, and your theories here are some of the best.Again you say it is not the Bible but
the servant of the Lord says it is.
"How long will you hate and despise the
messengers of God's righteousness?
The Lord has given them HIS MESSAGE.
They bear THE WORD OF THE LORD:
There is salvation for you but only through
the merits of Jesus Christ. The grace of
the Holy Spirit has been offered to you
again and again." Testimonies to Ministers,
p.96-97.
Once again; out of context by miles for this subject.Be careful how you treat this message. Take
off the shoes from off your feet for you are
on holy ground. (T.M.89-90)
sky
The problem here is that you are suggesting I have said that the testimonies do not present truth; and that I have "lost confidence" in them, when this is the farthest thing from the truth of the matter. I would challenge you to show exactly where and how I have said this even once. Apparently, you have no other way of response now than to accuse like this, out of context, anyone who questions you.I trust that you understand that I reply to your posts
for the sake of those who might be following this thread.
Anyone who is guided by the Holy Spirit will be able to
distinguish between the work of God and that of man.
"If you lose confidence in the Testimonies you will drift
away from Bible truth." Testimonies, Vol.5. 674.
"The testimonies themselves will be the key that will
explain the messages given, as Scripture is explained
by Scripture. Many will read with eagerness the
messages reproving wrong that they may learn what
they may do to be saved. Light will dawn upon the
understanding, and the Spirit will make an impression
on minds, as Bible truth is clearly and simply presented
in the messages that since 1846 God has been sending
His people. These messages are to find their place in
hearts, and transformations will take place." 1 S.M.
42.
So if any man comes with any suggestion that the
Testimonies of the Spirit of Christ do not present
Bible truth, do not receive him for,
If you truly believed, and desired to follow this counsel of Ellen White yourself, then you would do atleast three things:"The testimonies themselves will be the key that will
explain the messages given, as Scripture is explained
by Scripture. Many will read with eagerness the
messages reproving wrong that they may learn what
they may do to be saved. Light will dawn upon the
understanding, and the Spirit will make an impression
on minds, as Bible truth is clearly and simply presented
in the messages that since 1846 God has been sending
His people. These messages are to find their place in
hearts, and transformations will take place." 1 S.M.
So let us be very careful here how we treat this most precious
message. Let us take off the shoes from off our feet for we
are on holy ground and we are definitely under obligation to
believe.
sky
Beware
Washington, D.C., August 7, 1904
My Dear Brother:
I am given a message to bear to you and the rest of our physicians who are connected with the Medical Missionary Association. Separate from the influence exerted by the book Living Temple; [A 568-PAGE BOOK ISSUED IN 1903 BY DR. J. H. KELLOGG IN WHICH PANTHEISTIC PHILOSOPHIES WERE PROMULGATED.--COMPILERS.] for it contains specious sentiments. There are in it sentiments that are entirely true, but these are mingled with error. Scriptures are taken out of their connection, and are used to uphold erroneous theories. {1SM 199.1}
The thought of the errors contained in this book has given me great distress, and the experience that I have passed through in connection with the matter has nearly cost me my life. {1SM 199.2}
It will be said that Living Temple has been revised. But the Lord has shown me that the writer has not changed, and that there can be no unity between him and the ministers of the gospel while he continues to cherish his present sentiments. I am bidden to lift my voice in warning to our people, saying, "Be not deceived; God is not mocked" (Galatians 6:7). {1SM 199.3}
You have had access to Testimonies for the Church, volumes 7 and 8. In these Testimonies the danger signal is raised. But the light so clear and plain to minds that have not been influenced by deceptive theories, has not been discerned by some. While the misleading theories of this book are entertained by our physicians, there cannot be union between them and the ministers who are bearing the gospel message. There should be no union until there is a change. {1SM 199.4}
When medical missionaries make their practice and example harmonize with the name they bear, when they feel their need of uniting firmly with the ministers of the gospel, then there can be harmonious action. But we must firmly refuse to be drawn away from the platform of eternal truth, which since 1844 has stood the test. {1SM 199.5}
Alpha Presented in "Living Temple"
I am instructed to speak plainly. "Meet it," is the word spoken to me. "Meet it firmly, and without delay." But it is not to be met by our taking our working forces from the field to investigate doctrines and points of difference. We have no such investigation to make. In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. {1SM 200.1}
Our physicians, upon whom important responsibilities rest, should have clear spiritual discernment. They are to stand constantly on guard. Dangers that we do not now discern will soon break upon us, and I greatly desire that they shall not be deceived. I have an intense longing to see them standing free in the Lord. I pray that they may have courage to stand firm for the truth as it is in Jesus, holding fast the beginning of their confidence unto the end.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 2, pp. 49, 50. {1SM 200.2}
There are in it sentiments that are entirely true, but these are mingled with error. Scriptures are taken out of their connection, and are used to uphold erroneous theories. {1SM 199.1}
This topic is about Kellogg and the alleged interview, for which you have steadfastly refused to provide any references that we can check for ourselves. The posts above where I gave complete references shows Mrs White to be in total opposition to Kellogg and you have yet to prove her wrong."The prejudices and the opinions that
prevailed at Minneapolis are not dead by
any means; the seeds sown there in some
hearts are ready to spring into life and bear
a like harvest. The tops have been cut
down, but the roots have never been
eradicated, and they still bear their unholy
fruit to poison the judgment, pervert the
perceptions, and blind the understanding
of those with whom you connect, in regard
to the message and the messengers. When,
by thorough confession, you destroy the
root of bitterness, you will see light in God's
light. Without this thorough work you will never
clear your souls." Testimonies to Ministers,
p.467.
This is a very interesting accusation, given the fact that this thread is titled BY YOU as "The Interview With Dr Kellogg."If the reader will take the time to read the whole thread
he will see that your questions have already been addressed.
You know this. Now because you can't refute that the
message of the merits and righteousness of Christ is from
Heaven, you bring the issue of Dr. Kellogg up to distract
us from that subject.
sky
lol, OK Whatever you say Sir. I can't change the title of the thread, or the fact that everytime I show from our official sources how Ellen White condemns Kellogg's views, that you change to a new area of "study" and avoid answering to the evidence presented, and providing the references for the alleged interview. If you did provide references for the interview portion of this thread; hopefully you can just post where it is, incase I actually did miss it.What I meant is, What does Dr. Kellogg's
Interview have to do with the issue of the
subject of the merits and righteousness of
Christ?
This thread, if you have read it, is not
merely about Dr. Kellogg's interview.
It also includes the whole of A.T. Jones'
Appeal and the whole of Some History,
Some Experience, And Some Facts, and,
on page 22, #217, begins a study on the
true religion, the only religion of the Bible
which is what we have been discussing
ever since.
So why bring up Dr. kellogg's Interview
at this juncture when nothing has been
said about it for almost 6 pages? This
subject has been thoroughly covered
anyway including all that could be quoted
from Mrs. White on the subject.
sky
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