The Inspiration of Scripture

Dave-W said:

You are unwilling to do that?

Why?

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I just always wonder if it’s best to give human beings that level of trust. But others seem to trust the process 100% and they are 100% certain in the decisions these people made. I’d like to know what made people somfirtsble I’m trusting them.

Tree of Life said:

I first learned it from my theology professor in seminary, but it is a reflection of Calvin, Berkhof, Hodge, and Frame's definitions of inspiration.

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Ah....so no written references then...thanks.

Tree of Life said:

We have them in the collections of critical texts known as BHS and Nestle-Aland. You can find faithful translations of these texts in the NASB, ESV, and NIV at your local bookstore.

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These are not the manuscripts written by the original authors.

redleghunter said:

The ones not arguing against the infallibility of Scriptures.

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Do you mean the Conservative Lutherans? the Pentecostals? Catholics?

Dave-W said:

That is an entirely wrong headed way of looking at scripture.

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When it comes to scripture and the importance off it I don’t think it’s wise to not confront the hard questions.

Dave-W said:

IMO that is a distortion of what the NT actually teaches.

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That is true, Paul presents celibacy as a noble vocation (as does Jesus), in contrast to Proverb's that seems to think marriage is an unqualified good, regardless of calling.

FireDragon76 said:

Point taken but it still sounds like the prosperity gospel, honestly. Get married and you're promised happiness? I know for some people, that's just not true.

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Do NOT ever take the bible understanding according to a Greek linear viewpoint. It (both testaments) are written from an Hebraic mindset which has an entirely different logic framework.

If you try to apply the pagan Aristotelian logic, you will eventually run off the tracks.

Ken Rank said:

You really have no idea how to get along with people, do you? I never said the gospel was or wasn't anything. I was talking about one verse you don't seem to understand, 2 Tim 3:16. But... I won't bother writing you again and thanks again for providing and non-divisive platform where brothers can come together in unity and share their thoughts without fear that we would divide and cause strife.

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I think the point @mark kennedy established is that the apostles were proclaiming the 'word of God' or 'word of the Lord' and as such like the OT prophets, they were establishing Scriptures.

Paul is very clear in Colossians that he was preaching 'the word of God.'

Colossians 1: NASB
24Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions. 25Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, 26that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, 27to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ. 29For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.

Seems to be a theme:

Act 4:31

And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.


Act 6:2

So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables.


Act 6:7

The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Act 8:14

Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,


Act 11:1

Now the apostles and the brethren who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God.


Act 13:5

When they reached Salamis, they began to proclaim the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews; and they also had John as their helper.


Act 13:7

who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.


Act 13:46

Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.


Act 17:13

But when the Jews of Thessalonica found out that the word of God had been proclaimed by Paul in Berea also, they came there as well, agitating and stirring up the crowds.


Act 18:11

And he settled there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.


Rom 9:6

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;


1Co 14:36

Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?


2Co 2:17

For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God.


2Co 4:2

but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.


Eph 6:17

And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.


Phl 1:14

and that most of the brethren, trusting in the Lord because of my imprisonment, have far more courage to speak the word of God without fear.


Col 1:25

Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,


1Th 2:13

For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.


1Ti 4:5

for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.


2Ti 2:9

for which I suffer hardship even to imprisonment as a criminal; but the word of God is not imprisoned.


Tit 2:5

to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.


Heb 4:12

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.


Heb 6:5

and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,




Heb 11:3

By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.


Heb 13:7

Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith.


1Pe 1:23

for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


2Pe 3:5

For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,


1Jo 2:14

I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.


Rev 1:2

who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.


Rev 1:9

I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

Tree of Life said:

How do you know which definition is "made up" and which one is standard in theology? I assume you lifted your definition from Google or Webster's dictionary. These are not great authorities on definitions of theological terms. The definition I've put forth is not at all unique to me, but is a very standard, orthodox, and historic definition of the doctrine of inspiration.

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This is exactly why I have a hard time figuring out for certain anything.

FireDragon76 said:

That is true, Paul presents celibacy as a noble vocation (as does Jesus), in contrast to Proverb's that seems to think marriage is an unqualified good, regardless of calling.

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A noble calling and gifting, but as most charismatic gifts (how Paul describes it) like healing or prophecy, it is rare.

I dont think an All-Knowing, Perfect, and Good God would permit His Word to be twisted; albeit some have done it, but those things are obvious to those led by the Spirit.

More:


Word of the LORD

Word of God

Thus saith the LORD

Tree of Life said:

I first learned it from my theology professor in seminary, but it is a reflection of Calvin, Berkhof, Hodge, and Frame's definitions of inspiration.

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Why does anybody get to just make up stuff? Regardless of their status.

FireDragon76 said:

That is true, Paul presents celibacy as a noble vocation (as does Jesus), in contrast to Proverb's that seems to think marriage is an unqualified good, regardless of calling.

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Yup. Paul seems to think that you should get married only if you're so horny you can't stand it any more (my paraphrase). 1 Corinthians 7:9

Loversofjesus_2018 said:

I just always wonder if it’s best to give human beings that level of trust.

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Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

A proper historical understanding of our Lord's word usage here says that HE gave humans that level of trust.

Not only would they be given authority to write the NT; the choices and decisions they made be backed up by heaven itself.

Dave-W said:

Do NOT ever take the bible understanding according to a Greek linear viewpoint. It (both testaments) are written from an Hebraic mindset which has an entirely different logic framework.

If you try to apply the pagan Aristotelian logic, you will eventually run off the tracks.

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It's not pagan, it's Jesus-centered. Jesus says the true blessings come from following him. He says nothing about settling down into bronze/iron age domesticity. Indeed, he seems to disdain the notion that traditional family obligations of his culture have some kind of ultimacy (Luke 9:60).

A Realist said:

Yup. Paul seems to think that you should get married only if you're so horny you can't stand it any more (my paraphrase). 1 Corinthians 7:9

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Written in the feminine.

Never once does Paul say to get more self control in that area. Those who have the gift of celibacy do not have that problem.