the importance of Virginity?

[Larry Mondello]

Originally Posted by gattaca

i just don't understand why people believe that Virginity is so important?
it just doesn't make sense to me.
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We need to promise to save our bodies for our husbands. I am sorry that I didn't. I sinned, and I am sorry to my husband and God for it.

Understand this feeling of regret.
Lemmee ask you:
Was your husband "upset" that he wasn't your first?

I mean, I wasn't "bothered" (at the time) that I wasn't my wife's first.
TBH, have recently had more thoughts on that and have asked her more questions about her and her only partner, which was nearly 10 years before we met...

If someone can't "get past" their partner's past, that says a lot about their pride, unrealistic views and state of forgiveness.

 

[Larry Mondello]

Have been on both sides of this issue:
Like others, had some sex before I became of faith, and very little ( all of 2X through my entire 20s) while single, so know something about sexual responsibility.

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I don't have a lot of baggage, though some, like sex outside of marriage can bring. Don't imagine I'm unique in this kind of thing.
So let's try not to bring my personal life into this thread.

 

[Blessedj01]

What on earth does virginity have to do with innocence?

...because being single and not being a virgin implies you have been married and divorced spiritually.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

...because being single and not being a virgin implies you have been married and divorced spiritually.

?

 

[Livesbyfaithandwilldiebyf]

Wiccan Child, just curious, you are an atheist and you say yourself as a wiccan child. Wiccans to my knowledge believe in goddess, divine, tarot, mystery religions etc i.e. in supernatural entities. So how can you be a wiccan and atheist at same time.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Wiccan Child, just curious, you are an atheist and you say yourself as a wiccan child. Wiccans to my knowledge believe in goddess, divine, tarot, mystery religions etc i.e. in supernatural entities. So how can you be a wiccan and atheist at same time.

When I joined CF, I was Wiccan. Now, I am an atheist. My username and avatar a relic of that.

Not all Wiccans believe in tarot cards or mystery religions; Wicca is a re-constructionist religion that reveres nature to the point of worship, and which posits two deities as manifestations of nature, a God and Goddess.

You're right, though, that there's no real way to be an atheist Wiccan, just like how you can't really be an atheist Christian (the term actually refers to atheist who adopt or promote Christian ethics without believing in the Christian God).

 

[Verv]

Forgiving someone is necessary and wise. But...

We hold a certain place of high regard for those who have led disciplined lives and have not strayed, and when people have led such lives it is harder for them to respect those who have not led lives with as rigorous moral convictions.

What is wrong of valuing 'discipline' and 'restraint' -- especially in a society that is criticized by both left and right as being one too much associated with materialism and worldly pleasure?

I don't get it.

 

[Livesbyfaithandwilldiebyf]

When I joined CF, I was Wiccan. Now, I am an atheist. My username and avatar a relic of that.

Not all Wiccans believe in tarot cards or mystery religions; Wicca is a re-constructionist religion that reveres nature to the point of worship, and which posits two deities as manifestations of nature, a God and Goddess.

You're right, though, that there's no real way to be an atheist Wiccan, just like how you can't really be an atheist Christian (the term actually refers to atheist who adopt or promote Christian ethics without believing in the Christian God).

Thanks for that. I am like wiccan/christian mix myself although I mix many religious principles. But yeah the main things I believe in is Mother God and Father God but I mostly follow bible principles in my daily life as when I read bible, I have a personal feeling that's what my spiritual mother and father in heaven (goddess and god) would want me to follow if they were to give me any guidelines to me to live.

Its just that when I was a bit agnostic, I had personal experiences of both goddess and god and that's why I created a mixed version for myself.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Well, "virginity" to me really means innocence. Innocence is important and if it's not restored by God, we can't be holy.

What on earth does virginity have to do with innocence?

...because being single and not being a virgin implies you have been married and divorced spiritually.

And why would that mean that you are not "holy"?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Blessedj01]

And why would that mean that you are not "holy"?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Firstly, let me just say that your signature is inadequate as a marker for truth. Obedience for instance, has nothing to do with what is right. Obedience has to do with sincere response to instruction, it is independent of morality. Obedience does exist within the context of morality, but it doesn't require it.

Morality isn't doing what is right, it's doing what is considered right. There's no consistent human measure of "right," ask Hitler youth or the Taliban. Morality and obedience can be confused, sometimes it's considered moral to be obedient and visa versa. If you want "right," then follow the righteous God who never changes.

That banner's nothing more than a loaded statement.

Eudaimonist, it doesn't strictly mean that you are not holy to God. However, God hates divorce and to have been divorced or to sin is be to no longer be innocent. Only God can restore innocence through the blood of Jesus Christ.

Here, we're discussing innocence in terms of God's holiness, not man's criminal or moral law.

 

[Eudaimonist]

That banner's nothing more than a loaded statement.

The problem you have with the banner may be that you have a different understanding of the terms involved.

If you are interested, we may discuss this further. I can tell you how I interpret the meaning of the banner, and what its point is.

Eudaimonist, it doesn't strictly mean that you are not holy to God. However, God hates divorce and to have been divorced or to sin is be to no longer be innocent. Only God can restore innocence through the blood of Jesus Christ.

Here, we're discussing innocence in terms of God's holiness, not man's criminal or moral law.

So, holiness/innocence to you simply means "divine approval"?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Blessedj01]

The problem you have with the banner may be that you have a different understanding of the terms involved.

I just went over that, so I take it you have no interest in my arguments?

So, holiness/innocence to you simply means "divine approval"?

To me, holiness means separation from sin. Innocence means the same, with the added inference that one is not only separated from, but separate from the knowledge of sin.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I just went over that, so I take it you have no interest in my arguments?

You went over your understanding of the banner's message. I responded that the banner writer had probably meant something different.

What did you want to discuss regarding your understanding? I'm not certain why you'd want me to discuss an interpretation that doesn't correspond to what I think the banner means.

To me, holiness means separation from sin. Innocence means the same, with the added inference that one is not only separated from, but separate from the knowledge of sin.

What is sin? Does that mean "divine disapproval"? Or does it mean something else?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Larry Mondello]

To me, holiness means separation from sin. Innocence means the same, with the added inference that one is not only separated from, but separate from the knowledge of sin.

What is sin? Does that mean "divine disapproval"? Or does it mean something else?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Sin is separation from God, by doing wrong or "missing the mark."

In the context of this thread, it would involve sexual sin.

 

[Blessedj01]

You went over your understanding of the banner's message. I responded that the banner writer had probably meant something different.

I just addressed the strength of the message on the basis of the words themselves. Whatever the banner writer meant, I don't really care to be honest.

What did you want to discuss regarding your understanding? I'm not certain why you'd want me to discuss an interpretation that doesn't correspond to what I think the banner means.

Well, you haven't addressed any of my objections to it's oversimplication so I don't think you have much of an argument anyway.

What is sin? Does that mean "divine disapproval"? Or does it mean something else?

Sin = imperfection. To be imperfect is to go against the perfect plans of God, to be AGAINST God.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Whatever the banner writer meant, I don't really care to be honest.

If you don't care about that, we have nothing to discuss.

Sin = imperfection. To be imperfect is to go against the perfect plans of God, to be AGAINST God.

What makes God's plans "perfect"? What does perfection mean here?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Blessedj01]

If you don't care about that, we have nothing to discuss.

To be blunt, it's more that I'm not interested in hearing your rationalization versus my honest rebuttal.

What makes God's plans "perfect"? What does perfection mean here?

He's perfect. Perfect, means holy.

 

[Eudaimonist]

To be blunt, it's more that I'm not interested in hearing your rationalization versus my honest rebuttal.

You are very rude. If you think that I'm dishonest, we have no basis for discussion whatsoever.

Good bye.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Larry Mondello]

You are very rude. If you think that I'm dishonest, we have no basis for discussion whatsoever.

Good bye.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Guys,
Like some of the ladies did earlier in this thread, let's not turn this into a dogfight....

 

[Blessedj01]

You are very rude. If you think that I'm dishonest, we have no basis for discussion whatsoever.

Good bye.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I went through it rather plainly, but it's obvious there is an incomplete and rather biased nature to that signature image that is easily revealed by applying it to various ideologies that society either used to agree with, or no longer agrees with except in the case of local-morality.

If you don't like it, then don't use terrible analogies for inferred arguments against Christian morality.

You don't see me with a weak image in my signature espousing half-hearted concepts - and yet you probably disagree with every word I say. A soldier is more discerning.