The idol equality

[Creech]

I'm saying we need to distribute educational resources to areas which are in need, because we already have societal consensus that "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Meaning that the adult governed get to vote. So we have to educate everyone, yes, even the ones who aren't white and smart and middle to upper class already.

I agree with you that special educational resources must be distributed to areas that are most in need. I still do not see why the extremely ignorant should have the right to vote.

 

[Joykins]

I do not advocate for a Jim Crow society whatsoever. I only pointed that out in the South, inequality produced a more productive and successful civilization. It goes without saying there was also many flaws flaws and inhumane abuses.

"more productive and successful" than what? And don't say Detroit--a postindustrial city where all the jobs are gone compared to an entire region is not a valid comparison.

 

[Avniel]

I'm saying we need to distribute educational resources to areas which are in need, because we already have societal consensus that "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Meaning that the adult governed get to vote. So we have to educate everyone, yes, even the ones who aren't white and smart and middle to upper class already.

You have to understand several things regarding the economic structure in America to understand why that would collapse a system. America is built on classism capitalistic societies will always suffer from classism. If you remove capitalism those less able the state would invest more money in their education not to benefit the individual but to add to the society. Is this one of the reason our education system in general sucks....of course, but that's the society we love in. To do other wise and be successful would change the structure of said society.

 

[Creech]

"more productive and successful" than what? And don't say Detroit--a postindustrial city where all the jobs are gone compared to an entire region is not a valid comparison.

A city such as Memphis, Birmingham, etc.

 

[Joykins]

I agree with you that special educational resources must be distributed to areas that are most in need. I still do not see why the extremely ignorant should have the right to vote.

They don't.

We wait until they have acquired some experience and education.

 

[Avniel]

I agree with you that special educational resources must be distributed to areas that are most in need. I still do not see why the extremely ignorant should have the right to vote.

What is the definition of ignorant? How would these people be classified.

 

[cow451]

I do not advocate for a Jim Crow society whatsoever. I only pointed that out in the South, inequality produced a more productive and successful civilization. It goes without saying there was also many flaws flaws and inhumane abuses.

Actually it did not. That's the Gone With the Wind myth of the "Old South". Slavery and serfdom is not part of a "productive and successful civilization".

TVA was the development that "modernized" much of the South.

If your idea of progress is wealth in the hands of a few, then you probably do have a different worldview than I.

 

[Joykins]

A city such as Memphis, Birmingham, etc.

The whole south is more successful than a city within it?

That's just confusing.

You'd have to compare the south to another region's in terms of prosperity adjusting for all other factors than economic inequality and oppression of minorities.

Good luck with that, because what the South actually did for generations was repress the intellectual and creative potential of a significant portion of its population--deliberately cultivating an underclass to be kept ignorant and uneducated--at the cost of much of its own economic redevelopment.

 

[Savior2006]

What have I said that is racist?

Between your love of segregation, hatred of Lincoln for bringing the Southern states back, love of "tradition" and "inequality," and desire to keep people on welfare from voting, not much.

 

[morningstar2651]

A city such as Memphis, Birmingham, etc.

Tennessee and Alabama?

You realize those are Southern...right?

 

[morningstar2651]

What is the definition of ignorant? How would these people be classified.

People who disagree with Creech?

Perhaps we should require a $10,000 course for a voting license to ensure that the poor don't have a voice in our government...

...I mean, in order to ensure that only the educated vote.

 

[Savior2006]

People who disagree with Creech?

Perhaps we should require a $10,000 course for a voting license to ensure that the poor don't have a voice in our government...

...I mean, in order to ensure that only the educated vote.

Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.

 

[KarateCowboy]

The OP brings up an interesting subject. The triumph of equality over liberty is at the very heart of Communism; it should be rejected completely.

 

[morningstar2651]

The OP brings up an interesting subject. The triumph of equality over liberty is at the very heart of Communism; it should be rejected completely.

Why should equality be rejected completely?

 

[abdAlSalam]

The OP brings up an interesting subject. The triumph of equality over liberty is at the very heart of Communism; it should be rejected completely.

How are equality and liberty opposed to each other?

 

[Creech]

Actually it did not. That's the Gone With the Wind myth of the "Old South". Slavery and serfdom is not part of a "productive and successful civilization".

TVA was the development that "modernized" much of the South.

If your idea of progress is wealth in the hands of a few, then you probably do have a different worldview than I.

I definitely understand that much of the South was underdeveloped and poverty stricken due to forced equality.

 

[Creech]

What is the definition of ignorant? How would these people be classified.

I think a certain level of understanding about government/politics would do. I am not saying we should make even a high school diploma a requirement. I also think it would be a good idea to have taxpaying/property owning requirements and also take away the right to vote from those on welfare among other things.

 

[abdAlSalam]

I definitely understand that much of the South was underdeveloped and poverty stricken due to forced equality.

The fact is the average white person is probably better off in this day and age than he was under the South pre-civil war. The whole fact that they were edged out of a significant portion of the labor market due to free slave labor probably has a lot to do with that.

How those fools got conned into fighting and dying for the white land owning class is beyond me.

 

[abdAlSalam]

I think a certain level of understanding about government/politics would do. I am not saying we should make even a high school diploma a requirement. I also think it would be a good idea to have taxpaying/property owning requirements and also take away the right to vote from those on welfare among other things.

How is property ownership an appropriate criteria for the right to vote?

 

[AceHero]

I think a certain level of understanding about government/politics would do. I am not saying we should make even a high school diploma a requirement. I also think it would be a good idea to have taxpaying/property owning requirements and also take away the right to vote from those on welfare among other things.

How is property ownership an appropriate criteria for the right to vote?

It's not appropriate, but it's a concept more than one conservative has proposed since it would essentially disenfranchise voters who are poor and/or young; those who tend to not vote for Republicans.