The hypocrisy of being "pro-life"

[GodLovesCats]

I’ve never had a condom fail before. I’m not sure where your getting this information but based on my experience they’ve worked 100% of the time I’ve used them. I’m 46 years old and I’ve probably used them over 1,000 times.

Mandatory sex education always emphasizes the lesson that no contraception method is 100% effective except abstinence.

 

[GodLovesCats]

How can those figures be accurate if I’ve never had a condom fail and I’ve used them hundreds of times? I mean maybe these failures are due to using an old condom that has been in someone’s wallet for a few years? But there’s no way that 15% of condoms fail. That’s definitely not an accurate number.

Obviously because you are only one person. Why do you thnk just one person makes any statistics about millions of people true?

There is no way anyone who graduated from high school could not know condoms often fail even if they're new. Sex education is mandatory and has been for decades.

 

[GodLovesCats]

The bible says that, After man was fully formed, Life began after breath of life went through his nostrils.

Do you desire for us to believe God, in this instance, or man? You seem to not be consistent with this idea.

The Bible says your life began at fertilization. See Jeremiah 1:5-8 and several other verses.

 

[coffee4u]

The bible says that, After man was fully formed, Life began after breath of life went through his nostrils.

Do you desire for us to believe God, in this instance, or man? You seem to not be consistent with this idea.

Yes, God breathed into Adam and he became a living being -what does that have to do with the conception of babies?

 

[coffee4u]

I’ve never had a condom fail before. I’m not sure where your getting this information but based on my experience they’ve worked 100% of the time I’ve used them. I’m 46 years old and I’ve probably used them over 1,000 times.

They definitely fail. Maybe they are cheap, old or the wrong size, but they do rip or come off. This is a well-known fact.

 

[RaymondG]

The Bible says your life began at fertilization. See Jeremiah 1:5-8 and several other verses.

This says nothing about fertilization. It does, however, states the fact that we exist before fertilization.....Which is why I also believe that many bodies were discarded before one, suitable for me, was carried to term. Therefore the souls that are destined for the millions of fetus' aborted by God, will still be delivered, in time, to a mother who desires to care for another soul.

 

[RaymondG]

Yes, God breathed into Adam and he became a living being -what does that have to do with the conception of babies?

Do you not know that Adam is (=)Mankind.....and not a name? Therefore, are you to say that the body of dust, formed by God did not need breath to be considered alive? Was the breath of life, inconsequential?

 

[coffee4u]

This says nothing about fertilization. It does, however, states the fact that we exist before fertilization.....Which is why I also believe that many bodies were discarded before one, suitable for me, was carried to term. Therefore the souls that are destined for the millions of fetus' aborted by God, will still be delivered, in time, to a mother who desires to care for another soul.

No Christian church teaches that your soul is waiting for a body. Heresy.

God does not abort fetus'

Do you not know that Adam is (=)Mankind.....and not a name? Therefore, are you to say that the body of dust, formed by God did not need breath to be considered alive? Was the breath of life, inconsequential?

Adam is both the proper name of the first man and also means mankind because all mankind came from him and Eve.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's the standard user failure rate for condoms, has been consistent for years, as reported by Planned Parenthood and just about every other source. Please note that this is the 'user rate' and not the 'theoretical' rate if all users were perfect, which they are not. You do not need to believe this for it to be true. I mean, if you don't believe Planned Parenthood, who ya gonna believe?

Their statistic is a guess and the majority of people they get feedback from are from the people who’ve had failures. Nobody calls them up to say yep my condom worked fine.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Your forgetting the role of women in producing children with your 40 - 50 children there..lol

First, a pregnancy lasts 9 months, second, exclusive breastfeeding can potentially delay ovulation for 6 months, even in some cases up to a year after birth.

So most children, even in the absence of birth control, is one every two years, and women have a more limited period of fertility than men, therefore 10 -12 children is about average for a healthy and fertile woman..

Lol @ 40-50.

So your telling me that a woman is only fertile for 20-25 years? That is completely incorrect women can bare children on average from 12-60 years old, and in some cases even younger and older.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Your forgetting the role of women in producing children with your 40 - 50 children there..lol

First, a pregnancy lasts 9 months, second, exclusive breastfeeding can potentially delay ovulation for 6 months, even in some cases up to a year after birth.

So most children, even in the absence of birth control, is one every two years, and women have a more limited period of fertility than men, therefore 10 -12 children is about average for a healthy and fertile woman..

Lol @ 40-50.

Also your math is off. 9 months plus 6 months equals 1 year 3 months not 2 years and I know many siblings who were born less than 1 year apart.

 

[Hazelelponi]

So your telling me that a woman is only fertile for 20-25 years? That is completely incorrect women can bare children on average from 12-60 years old, and in some cases even younger and older.

Most women hit child bearing age on average of at 13 years old. But rarely is she married off right away... only in extremely primitive cultures, and the Israeli culture of the old testament doesn't strike me as particularly primitive..

So let's say she's married at 16 or 17. Children will come faster at the beginning of a relationship, but by the time your working the land, and raising 3 or 4 small children, things wane somewhat in the romance category.

And remember, the Israelites worked their land, and women spent on average of 2 hours a day just grinding the grain into a useable product. Let alone the cooking, cleaning, doing laundry etc.

Even with modern conveniences and her mothers help my daughter in law is exhausted at the end of the day with 3 small children @ the age of 24. Now take into consideration a lack of running water or any other convenience in ancient Israel, and there just wasn't a lot of energy at the end of the day..

So at one point romance begins to wane, and children aren't born as quickly, just naturally. ...

You rarely hear of any woman who has many more children than 12. My husband has a great great grandmother who did bear 18.. but that's a very rare thing. None of the women in my family could have that many (although the death rate in my family has always been high for the mothers) So I can't look back in the history of the women in my family and find more than 7, ever...

Some women can bear more than 12, but usually it's right around 10-12 when a woman's bodies gives up on her and she will go into an early menopause or start losing children before their time...

Even in Africa where birth control isn't practiced the average is 20, but not all are live births. At one point a woman's body is simply done.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Mandatory sex education always emphasizes the lesson that no contraception method is 100% effective except abstinence.

i agree my point is that I don’t believe that the failure rate of condoms is 15%.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Obviously because you are only one person. Why do you thnk just one person makes any statistics about millions of people true?

There is no way anyone who graduated from high school could not know condoms often fail even if they're new. Sex education is mandatory and has been for decades.

If the 15% statistic is correct then out of the hundreds of condoms I’ve used I should’ve encountered at least one failure.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Most women hit child bearing age on average of at 13 years old. But rarely is she married off right away... only in extremely primitive cultures, and the Israeli culture of the old testament doesn't strike me as particularly primitive..

So let's say she's married at 16 or 17. Children will come faster at the beginning of a relationship, but by the time your working the land, and raising 3 or 4 small children, things wane somewhat in the romance category.

And remember, the Israelites worked their land, and women spent on average of 2 hours a day just grinding the grain into a useable product. Let alone the cooking, cleaning, doing laundry etc.

Even with modern conveniences and her mothers help my daughter in law is exhausted at the end of the day with 3 small children @ the age of 24. Now take into consideration a lack of running water or any other convenience in ancient Israel, and there just wasn't a lot of energy at the end of the day..

So at one point romance begins to wane, and children aren't born as quickly, just naturally. ...

You rarely hear of any woman who has many more children than 12. My husband has a great great grandmother who did bear 18.. but that's a very rare thing. None of the women in my family could have that many (although the death rate in my family has always been high for the mothers) So I can't look back in the history of the women in my family and find more than 7, ever...

Some women can bear more than 12, but usually it's right around 10-12 when a woman's bodies gives up on her and she will go into an early menopause or start losing children before their time...

Even in Africa where birth control isn't practiced the average is 20, but not all are live births. At one point a woman's body is simply done.

a girl became a woman when she began menstruating in biblical times.

 

[Hazelelponi]

a girl became a woman when she began menstruating in biblical times.

That doesn't mean they married her off that day.. lol.

It will mean the family will begin looking toward who her spouse may be etc. But even if they had a couple considerations before your still dealing with her assistance in the choice and a period of time for betrothal etc.

They simply didn't marry off their girls the second they began menstruating..

Consider Jacob who fell in love with Rachel and worked 7 years for her father as the bride price...

Do you think Jacob fell in love with a 6 year old child? Or at the least someone in their middle to later teens? My vote is she wasn't a 6 year old child, but rather, was likely a typical teenager..

 

[GodLovesCats]

i agree my point is that I don’t believe that the failure rate of condoms is 15%.

Only because you don't want to believe that based on nothing but flawed anecdotal evidence.

 

[GodLovesCats]

If the 15% statistic is correct then out of the hundreds of condoms I’ve used I should’ve encountered at least one failure.

Not true. The statistic is 85 percent of the time condoms work; 15 percent of the time they don't. That is, of course, based on MILLOINS of people using condoms, used, not one person.

 

[Archivist]

Do you not know that Adam is (=)Mankind.....and not a name? Therefore, are you to say that the body of dust, formed by God did not need breath to be considered alive? Was the breath of life, inconsequential?

Our Jewish brothers and sisters believe that life begins with the first breath.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not true. The statistic is 85 percent of the time condoms work; 15 percent of the time they don't. That is, of course, based on MILLOINS of people using condoms, used, not one person.

That failure rate is based on both proper and improper use. The failure rate for proper use is around 3%.