Maybe it's because I'm not American or familiar with American-Evangelical culture or whatever, but I have no idea what that means.
(Doesn't sound very Jewish.)
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Maybe it's because I'm not American or familiar with American-Evangelical culture or whatever, but I have no idea what that means.
(Doesn't sound very Jewish.)
I doubt G-d ever smiled on the US . . .
Do you want to know who is in position to give and remove his favor from the US ?
This guy:
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.
(Matthew 4:5-7)
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Maybe the world - and the plan of Hashem - doesn't revolve around north America... just saying.
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Not any more. God did look with favor upon the USA at one time. They tossed God out of the government, courtrooms, schools and every other place that they can think of. So now He presence is not felt.
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" God did look with favor upon the USA at one time. "
Why do you say that?
"Not any more. "
If ever at all. I don't think the plan of Hashem is (or was ever) centered on any gentile nation, especially not one that just popped up so recently (not even 1000 years old.)
Was he ever in the American schools, courts or governments anymore than he was in the Catholic or Muslim schools, courts or governments?
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USA's very foundation is upon the Judeo-Christian principles. Never said USA was the center of His attention. Just blessed.
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"USA's very foundation is upon the Judeo-Christian principles."
You can say that about any Muslim state, or the Vatican state, or the other Christian states in the world.
1800's America was NOT ONE INCH more religious than ancient Byzantium.
" Just blessed."
Come again?
Are not all nations blessed?
You can say "Denmark is blessed" in the sense that there is very little poverty there, but to use that to imply they are a pious nation collectively is illogical.
The Rabbis teach that the Scripture says the serpent received dust to eat. That is why the wicked prosper - for there is always enough dust for them.
The assumption here is that prosperity is often not a blessing from God.
Paul even says money is the ROOT OF EVIL.
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Prophecies of nations indicate that God is very much involved in the direction offer God places before them. To obey comes blessings. Even Nineveh experience that.
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Yes. But the US is not special or unique in that sense, nor historically one inch more pious than another nation. Both today and in the past there have been nations more religious, and less lascivious, and less warlike, and less unjust, than the US.
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I recently watched the movie "The Book of Daniel" (2013) on Netflix. One of the themes it presented throughout the movie could be summed up with the lesson king Nebuchadnezzar needed to understand, "until you learn that the Most High rules in the human kingdom and gives it to whomever he pleases."
In regards to exactly who is in the position to give, how do you see this verse, "Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." (Matthew 28:18)
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No contradiction. Read the book of Job to see the hierarchy in action.
When I look at the world, I don't see a paradise. Clearly Yeshua is not really running the show, even if he theoretically could if he seized the wheel from the driver (the world-car is currently driven by satan in this metaphor; God gave him the driver seat, for whatever reason.)
Yeshua IS the king over Israel, the husband and master of Israel, but he is not really the one inspiring all the GENTILE nations to do all the evil things they do, I am sure you will agree.
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I believe Yeshua when He spoke, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
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I do as well.
And I also believe the rest of the Bible, and I cannot impute the evil done in the world today to Yeshua. He is Torah-observant, hence it would be illegal for him to direct the nations to do the evil things they do.
Nazi Germany was not a nation run by Yeshua, that's for sure.
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From what I understand, what happens from the individual level right up to that of nations, it's about how free or enslaved a person or people are to choose how to live their given life.
"I call on heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have presented you with life and death, the blessing and the curse. Therefore, choose life, so that you will live (Lu 9:56), you and your descendants " (De 30:19)
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My belief is that we have to harmonize all the different scriptures, and make sure we don't use one verse to trump another verse.
If you look at Daniel (among other writings) it is clear Persia has its own ruling spirit, and Greece its own ruling spirit, and other scriptures or traditions show that there are 70 nations, each with its own spiritual prince in heaven, and that Satan is the ruler of these 70 goy nations, but that Hashem and the Prince of Hashem's Presence are above the 70 in authority (remember, the Sanhedrin both on earth and in heaven has 72 members.)
HERE is a particularly good article on this subject.
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Speaking of numbers, as I get older and when it comes to making judgements (Ex 18:20,25-26), about how the scriptures fit together. I have come to understand that I'm much lower in rank when it concerns certain segments of the truth. To use the old King James English and paraphrase the apostle Paul, "Lest I become a teacher of the law; understanding neither what I say, nor whereof I affirm." (1 Tim 1:7)
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I'm right there with you brother: I love to talk about Torah, but Hashem forbid I think myself a teacher !
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Has God declared something new?
Those prophets in the old Testament are God's word, he is not writing a word anymore.
So what are prophets supposed to do?
When somebody thinks they have a prophecy, what do they do?
They look at people and they get imaginations and they start telling people about themselves.
But this is imagination.
Is a prophet supposed to feel things?
Are they supposed to guess when some type of tragedy happens?
People used to call my house and speak to me as if I was Elijah himself.
They had faith in me as if I was Jesus himself.
I thought I was the great prophet and so did they.
Why did they believe in me so much?
Because I called things to happen in front of many people.
But this is vanity.
What have I achieved if I call fire down from heaven in the sight of all men, and it happens just as I say?
I have proved that I am the false prophet.
What possible thing have I achieved if I have predicted something?
WHAT?
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I think your thinking to hard about this
The point is to get folks to seek God, to do Teshuva
Simple, right?
The point is to get folks to seek God, to do Teshuva
Simple, right?
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Yes, the point is to get people to convert to God's religion, but why would a people convert to God's religion when everyone of them claims they already have the Holy spirit?
How do people have the Holy spirit after they have left Judaism, after they become lawless and stand against all that is called of God or that is worshipped?
There are spirits, but the problem is that people don't know the difference.
When you have converted, and when you commit to God, you sweep out your house and commit, and then spirits come testing.
When you have walked in God's Passover, after you have died daily as a servant, then you begin the walk in the wheat harvest and you are given over to the devil for sifting as wheat is sifted.
But if people don't convert, and all people believe they have the Holy spirit, what would cause them into Teshuva and returning to God?
Will they stop sinning?
Muslims can do this.
People have to return, but before they will return, they must first realize that a return is needed, but if what they have satisfies them into thinking they have the Holy spirit, there is no need to return.
And if they think they already have the Holy spirit, then there is no need to pray for the rain.
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