He was asking why those things would be if there were no global flood.JohnR7 said:The Bible answers this, it took that long for the water to go down.
Birds can not fly forever, they would have to land on something sooner or later.
There were a lot of animals in Eden, mostly domesticated animals. God wanted to save them to repopulate the world.
Science tell us that they were created by the glaciers. As they ice pushed land before them.
First and foremost, Noah was only to obey; and God took care of the details --- His way. Thus it was GodCo, not NoahCo.BeamMeUpScotty said:I would love to know how NoahCo ever took care of even the smallest fraction of them.
Like I said many times, she believe that we have to do our part. It was a sacrifice for her to get her education. But once she graduated from college she was able to go to Hong Kong and get a job to help others in her family get a college education. In fact up to half of her money still goes back to the Philippines to help her family.BeamMeUpScotty said:You said your wife is from the Philippines, where a majority of the people are Christian. Yet why is there such widespread poverty and deprivation? These people are trusting in God to provide for them, but they are still poor and hungry.
AV1611VET said:First and foremost, Noah was only to obey; and God took care of the details --- His way. Thus it was Godco, not NoahCo.
Second: the Ark had 3 stories --- (Genesis 6:16).
Third: the animals wouldn't have been eating nearly that amount of food under the extreme hostile conditions of the Flood.
In addition, the story of Daniel in the Lion's Den shows lions passively sitting there while Daniel was among them.
In addition, the story of Elijah and the widow in 1 Kings 17:8-16 easily explains the food "dilemma" - (see especially vss 14 and 16).
Fourth: I don't think nearly as many animals boarded as you calculate.
JohnR7 said:Like I said many times, she believe that we have to do our part. It was a sacrifice for her to get her education. But once she graduated from college she was able to go to Hong Kong and get a job to help others in her family get a college education. In fact up to half of her money still goes back to the Philippines to help her family.
We have a lot of opportunities here in this country. They do not have near as many opportunities there as we have here. Still, if they take advantage of the opportunities they have, then they will be fine.
There is more to it then just this, but this is a part of it.
Genesis 6:20 --- he also sent out a raven and a dove.Self Improvement said:Where is your evidence that birds were aboard the Ark...
cp. Genesis 7:11 with 8:14...Noah was on it for over a year...
Genesis 6:15...the Ark was "so big"...
Only if the Flood was local would a containment wall be needed. It wasn't a local flood....and there would have to be a containment wall for a local flood...
If you're asking me, my answer is: God said it - that settles it....or that there was a global flood in the first place?
New Orleans was inundated in a very, very short period of time, thus a containment wall wouldn't be necessary.Also, if there is a flood in New Orleans, does there need to be a containment wall to keep it from spreading to the entire world? No, there would not be enough water to flood the entire world in a local flood.
BeamMeUpScotty said:It would be scientifically impossible for the ark story to happen. I would only be possible through miracles.
Eden???JohnR7 said:There were a lot of animals in Eden, mostly domesticated animals. God wanted to save them to repopulate the world.
The glaciers wouldn't have come until after the Flood, when, in the absence of a water canopy to create a global tropical climate, the ice froze from the polar regions down to the Terminal Moraine - then receded to their present location. This is what "scientists" call the "Ice Age".Science tell us that they were created by the glaciers. As they ice pushed land before them.
John, I salute your wife. She must be a real trooper!JohnR7 said:Like I said many times, she believe that we have to do our part. It was a sacrifice for her to get her education. But once she graduated from college she was able to go to Hong Kong and get a job to help others in her family get a college education. In fact up to half of her money still goes back to the Philippines to help her family.
For the third time, you must have me confused with someone else. I never said the Flood was purely naturalistic.BeamMeUpScotty said:First, again, if you allow for miracles, why would you seek naturalistic explanations.
I don't know --- I'm not a YEC.If God performed the miracles, which he would of had to, why do YECs seek to explain the story without God through naturalistic explanations?
This is why God runs the universe, and not us.Second, I know the ark had 3 floors. I purposefully left them out to give more room.
No thanks --- I only relay what's in the Bible (with a little science attached for good measure).Third, I do agree that the ark would have been under extremely hostile conditions, so much so that it could have never survived (without miracles). Where do you get the idea that they wouldn't have been eating as much food? How much food would they have been eating? How do you know? Please provide some numbers and sources.
I don't know --- I wasn't there. I'm not so sure Noah himself knew. He was probably too busy with other things, and didn't care to count. (I certainly wouldn't have.)Fourth, how many animals would have been on board? How do you know?
I would guess they would radiate outward from a central location. Not really sure, of course --- I wasn't there.How do you explain their distribution afterward?
I don't --- I leave that to the "experts".How do you explain the extremely rapid speciation that would have had to taken place after the flood? How do you know this?
AV1611VET said:Because God and Science do not (repeat: do not) conflict. Science obyes God.
What world do you live in? It sounds like a good one, too bad it doesn't exist.JohnR7 said:No one goes to bed hungry that is trusting in God to provide for them.
In the demonstrable world, John, it is the lifestyle adopted by the majority in the predominantly Christian countries which render it nearly impossible for people in many other areas to receive enough food. When you choose to utilize a full acre to produce the food you require and your wife makes the same choices, about thirty-eight people are forced to search for scraps. An acre should be able to fully provide for the dietary needs of 20-people. That would be the case if the growing power of that land weren't squandered on the diet-style to which you have become accustom and to which Genesis 9 claims God allows.JohnR7 said:No one goes to bed hungry that is trusting in God to provide for them.
And only one window. Are you familiar with the ammonia levels present in animal excrement?AV1611VET said:Second: the Ark had 3 stories --- (Genesis 6:16).
Under extreme stress metabolization increases resulting in the utilization of more calories, not less. You have it backward.AV1611VET said:Third: the animals wouldn't have been eating nearly that amount of food under the extreme hostile conditions of the Flood.
Would you like to talk about carnivore physiology, AV1611VET?AV1611VET said:In addition, the story of Daniel in the Lion's Den shows lions passively sitting there while Daniel was among them.
I agree with your wording. Thinking, ("assuming" in this case) verses actual calculations.AV1611VET said:Fourth: I don't think nearly as many animals boarded as you calculate.
Feed the rich, let the poor starve, (apparently).JohnR7 said:Nullify nothing.
We have seen God's miracle of supply
Yes, the rich are dying from over-eating and the poor are dying from malnutrition.JohnR7 said:So if it is a miracle we see a lot of today,
Because by the time he's finished with;JohnR7 said:why would God not perform the miracle of supply back in the days of Noah?
The knowledge accumulated by many thousands of scientists in the areas of geology, geophysics, atmospheric physics, biogeography, biodiversity, archeology and other areas of science has conclusively falsified the Genesis Flood as a worldwide event. We have discussed some of the falsifications before and there are many others.livingword26 said:You are limited to knowledge that your little brain can decipher.
Science improves as more data and knowledge are aquired but that doesn't mean that falsified hypotheses will be resurrected. The global flood has been totally dead as a scientific hypothesis for about 150 years. There is as much chance that Phlogiston theory will be brought back as there is that the Genesis flood as global flood will ever be accepted again as a serious scientific hypothesis (i.e. no chance).Nature, science, and physical understandings change as the wind blows.
As is everything else and I have realized that for about 50 years now so what makes you think man cannot really grasp it?How arrogant of a man to think he can understand the workings of the world, when he really cannot grasp that he, in all his glory, is made of the same three particles as a grain of sand.
In other words you can't do it but don't feel bad neither can any of the so-called flood geologists of places like AiG and ICR.AV1611VET said:No --- that's your burden.
Scientists don't talk about it because it is a myth.Those animals died due to the universal effect of sin. Something scientists conveniently don't talk about.
As has been pointed out the dinosaurs died out at the end of the Cretaceous long before any of the many ice ages of the last few million years.Assuming, of course, you meant the dinosaurs. A lot of them probably died out in what scientists like to call the "Ice Age".
No --- yes --- yes; 2 outta 3 ain't bad, eh?Pete Harcoff said:So... You accept evolution, a ~4.5 billion year old Earth and a ~14 billion year old universe?
AV1611VET said:No --- yes --- yes; 2 outta 3 ain't bad, eh?
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