The Ghastly Eternal Torment Dogma

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2 Peter 2:6 "destroy by reducing them to ashes"

2 Peter 2
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes,

As to the meaning of the word "destroy", Websters' first definition is "ruin" and second definition is to "put out of existence":

Definition of DESTROY

A common definition of "destroy":

"ruin (someone) emotionally or spiritually.
"he has been determined to destroy her" "

Well Peter was taught by Christ at that time while Christ was on Earth in Matt 10:28 so I am inclined to think they were on same page in terms of "destroy".
 
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2 Peter 2:6 "destroy by reducing them to ashes"

2 Peter 2
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes,

Right. The "cities", including the physical bodies of its inhabitants. Not their spirit.

Those [bodies] which are ashes & dust shall arise (Dan.12:2).

The context suggests the view that both the life & the punishment referred to in v.2 are of finite duration (OLAM), since v.3 speaks of those who will be for OLAM "and further".

2 From those sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life
and these to reproach for eonian repulsion." 3 The intelligent shall warn as the warning
of the atmosphere, and those justifying many are as the stars for the eon and further."
(Dan.12:2-3, CLV)

The Hebrew word for eonian (v.2) & eon (v.3) above is OLAM which is often used of limited durations in the OT. In verse 3 of Dan. 12 are the words "OLAM and further" showing an example of its finite duration in the very next words after Dan. 12:2. Thus, in context, the OLAM occurences in v.2 could also both be understood as being of finite duration.

Additionally, the early church accepted the following Greek OT translation of the Hebrew OT of Dan. 12:3:

καὶ οἱ συνιέντες ἐκλάμψουσιν ὡς ἡ λαμπρότης τοῦ στερεώματος καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν δικαίων τῶν πολλῶν ὡς οἱ ἀστέρες εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας καὶ ἔτι[and further]

Notice the words at the end saying KAI ETI, meaning "and further" or "and still" or "and yet" & other synonyms.

eti: "still, yet...Definition: (a) of time: still, yet, even now, (b) of degree: even, further, more, in addition." Strong's Greek: 2089. ἔτι (eti) -- still, yet

εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας καὶ ἔτι means "into the ages and further" as a translation of the Hebrew L'OLAM WA ED[5703, AD]

So this early church Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures agrees with the above translation (& those below) using the words "and further", "futurity", "beyond" & similarly.

3 and·the·ones-being-intelligent they-shall- warn as·warning-of the·atmosphere
and·ones-leading-to-righteousness-of the·many-ones as·the·stars for·eon and·futurity (Dan. 12:3, Hebrew-English Interlinear)
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/dan12.pdf

2 and, many of the sleepers in the dusty ground, shall awake,—these, [shall be] to age-abiding life, but, those, to reproach, and age-abiding abhorrence;
3 and, they who make wise, shall shine like the shining of the expanse,—and, they who bring the many to righteousness, like the stars to times age-abiding and beyond. (Dan. 12:2-3, Rotherham)

2 And the multitude of those sleeping in the dust of the ground do awake, some to life age-during, and some to reproaches—to abhorrence age-during.
3 And those teaching do shine as the brightness of the expanse, and those justifying the multitude as stars to the age and for ever*. (Dan. 12:2-3, YLT)
* for "for ever" Young of YLT says substitute "age during" everywhere in Scripture: http://heraldmag.org/olb/Contents/bibles/ylt.pdf

Dan. 12:2-3 was the only Biblical reference to "life OLAM" Jesus listeners had to understand His meaning of "life aionios"(life OLAM) in Mt.25:46 & elsewhere in the New Testament.

Verse 3 speaks of those justifying "many". Who are these "many"? The same "many" of verse 2, including those who were resurrected to "shame" & "contempt"? IOW the passage affirms universalism?

"Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years": http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.shtml

"The Ancient History of Universalism":
https://s3.amazonaws.com/unsearchab.../©CPC+The+Ancient+History+of+Universalism.pdf

Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times:
Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times

Early church writings re final destiny:
Early church writings re final destiny (paradise, Gospel, incarnation, Jehovah) - Christianity -  - City-Data Forum

Articles on the history of Christian Universalism throughout the centuries
 
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There's no mention of "eternal punishment" in Mt.10:28

True - it just says that God "destroys BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell" - which is that Lake of Fire even of Rev 20.

The "torment" part that happens in that destruction can be seen in Rev 14:
Rev 14
“If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever;"

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

agreed.

God "can" destroy. That doesn't mean He will.

"God is ABLE to keep you from stumbling" is not an empty statement about "able but does not mean he will".

It completely destroys the force of all those sorts of statements to insert "means nothing ... will never happen" into it.

watch what happens when that is inserted.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell - but would never do it...so... never mind .. how about ..."

Nor does "destroy" mean endless annihilation.

2 Peter 2:6 "destroy by reducing them to ashes"

2 Peter 2
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes,
Right. The "cities", including the physical bodies of its inhabitants. Not their spirit.

And in Matt 10:28 we are reminded that in this life - they "kill the body but are not able to kill the soul".

However that situation is contrasted with that fiery-hell lake of fire even that is future.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Yep.. just like that!
 
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True - it just says that God "destroys BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell" - which is that Lake of Fire even of Rev 20.

The "torment" part that happens in that destruction can be seen in Rev 14:
Rev 14
“If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever;"

What would be the point in raising the dead in order to torment them before they are annihilated forever. That's sadistic.

And Rev.14:10 above is a misleading & deceptive translation. The proper literal rendering is "ages of the ages", not the self contradictory nonsensical "forever and ever":

12 points re forever and ever (literally to/into "the ages of the ages") being finite:

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
 
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2 Peter 2:6 "destroy by reducing them to ashes"

2 Peter 2
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes,

Yet the people of those cities will be restored from that destruction back to life.

So destruction will be destroyed, reversed, annulled.

They will rise from the ashes, from the dust.

Compare from another post i posted:

Malachi 4:1-3 KJV
(1) For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
(2) But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
(3) And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Re Mal. 4 do you think this is talking about the LOF:

3"You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing," says the LORD of hosts.

1Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Burned up does not mean endlessly annihilated out of existence. People are cremated, i.e. burned up, every day. Guess what? Everyone of them will be resurrected back to life. They were "burned up" but not annihilated out of existence forever. Therefore the two words "burned up" do not support your theory. You are wrong in saying they mean anyone is endlessly annihilated.

Second death. You've provided no evidence "second death" means endlessly annihilated. How do you explain those alive in the lake of fire? Alive is not dead.

The reference to "left neither root nor branch" (Mal.4) is figurative language. Human beings aren't trees. Malachi 4 speaks of what will happen on a "day", not in eternity. The wicked will be ashes under the feet of the righteous. This passage, like the others, does not deny a future resurrection to these wicked, nor affirm them being endlessly annihilated, so does not support your theory. You have to read that into the context by assumption and add your theory to the words of God in Malachi 4. Because it isn't there.

Ashes refer to physical bodies, not bodyless souls. So that their bodies in the LOF become ashes doesn't deal with the matter of whether or not a soul can repent in the LOF. Any references to unbelievers & ashes (i.e. being cremated) are irrelevant to the topic of their final destiny if you believe that the soul lives on after the death of the body.


Malachi 1:11 ESV

For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense will be offered to my name, and a pure offering.
For my name will be great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts.


Malachi 3:2-4 But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. "He will sit as a smelter
and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the LORD offerings in righteousness. "Then the
offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.


Heb.10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses' law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Stoning to death is not a very sore or longlasting punishment. People suffered far worse deaths via the torture methods of the eternal hell believing Medieval Inquisitionists and the German Nazis under Hitler.

Therefore, if the writer of Hebrews believed the wicked would be punished with something so monstrous as being endlessly annihilated or tormented, he would not have chosen to compare their punishment to something so lame as being stoned to death. Clearly he did not believe Love Omnipotent is an unfeeling terminator machine or sadist who abandons forever the beings He created in His own image & likeness so easily.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for all mankind for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just."

Death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:22, 26, 28).

"Just as surely as the abolition of slavery entails freedom for those formerly enslaved, the abolition of death entails life for those formerly dead."

AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive (1 Cor.15:22)

1 Cor 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
 
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Yet the people of those cities will be restored from that destruction back to life.

Indeed that is true. - in Rev 20 the second resurrection -- all the wicked are raised back to life then as Matthew 10:28 points out "destroyed BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell" -- the lake of fire in Rev 20.

Where word for "destroyed" is as in "destroyed by reducing them to ashes" that we see in 2 Peter 2
 
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Indeed that is true. - in Rev 20 the second resurrection -- all the wicked are raised back to life then as Matthew 10:28 points out "destroyed BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell" -- the lake of fire in Rev 20.

Where word for "destroyed" is as in "destroyed by reducing them to ashes" that we see in 2 Peter 2

The most powerful word in koine regarding destruction is apollumi.

I assure you the Master of Reconciliation does not lose (apollumi) any of His sheep or His goats. They may become lost, but the Saviour of the all finds them!

He loses NOTHING
 
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The most powerful word in koine regarding destruction is apollumi.

Which is what we find in Luke 17 regarding Sodom
Luke 17:29
but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. (destroy - Apollumi )


Which is why it is so instructive to see in 2 Peter 2 "destroyed by reducing them to ashes" that we see in 2 Peter 2

2 Peter 2:6
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes,
 
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Which is what we find in Luke 17 regarding Sodom
Luke 17:29
but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. (destroy - Apollumi )


Which is why it is so instructive to see in 2 Peter 2
Where the word for "destroyed" is as in "destroyed by reducing them to ashes" that we see in 2 Peter 2

2 Peter 2:6
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes,

This will come as a shock to you, but the Lord of Glory has two small letters before the word limited, they are UN.

Those who believe are part of the statement regarding God being the Saviour of all mankind. He is not Saviour of ONLY those who believe, He is Saviour especially (malista) of the radical ALL of mankind.

Yup, Our God specializes in dust!
 
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Indeed that is true. - in Rev 20 the second resurrection -- all the wicked are raised back to life then as Matthew 10:28 points out "destroyed BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell" -- the lake of fire in Rev 20.

Where word for "destroyed" is as in "destroyed by reducing them to ashes" that we see in 2 Peter 2

The Greek word for "destroyed" in 2 Peter 2:6 is a different Greek word for "destroy" in Matthew 10:28. Strong's Greek: 2692. καταστροφή (katastrophé) -- an overthrowing

Also the English word "destroy" has various meanings. It need not mean endless annihilation. For example, a car that is destroyed can be repaired. A King whose soul is destroyed so much that he eats grass like an animal for 7 years can be restored (see Daniel, OT, Bible). An alcoholic who destroys his health, relationships & mind(soul) with booze can be restored to health, restored in his relationships with others & restored to a sound mind(soul).

So when annihilationists simply quote that verse & make the unsupported, unproven & unwarranted - assumption - about it & the word "destroyed", that it supports their view, they do not have a "proof text" for their viewpoint, but merely a human opinion. Not a thus sayeth the Lord.

Just because those who were destroyed(different Greek word) in Sodom were reduced to ashes does not prove that those destroyed in the lake of fire will also be reduced to ashes.

And since Sodom will be restored again, then what's to say those in the lake of fire will not be restored again, even if their entire soul and body were reduced to ashes?

Also can a disembodied non material soul be reduced to ashes?

Moreover, what of their human spirit, even if the body & soul could become ashes?

And why would Love Omnipotent want to resort to endless annihilation? It makes no sense.

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Yes. They seem to have turned our loving heavenly Father into an angry volcano god. And will fight tooth and nail to keep him that way. It just isn't Christianity without a forever burning hell.

So then, where do the Christ Rejectors end up in eternity?
 
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Yes. They seem to have turned our loving heavenly Father into an angry volcano god. And will fight tooth and nail to keep him that way. It just isn't Christianity without a forever burning hell.

"Angry volcano god" ;

Good one! I'll have to remember that.
 
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So then, where do the Christ Rejectors end up in eternity?

Be patient my friend. Abba's purposes in His beloved Son will prevail.

Unrestrained Worship Phiippians 2: 10,11

Every created thing (pan ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4 ; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse James 3 , with on the sea epi th qalassh added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisi) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off. Saying (legonta). Masculine (construction according to sense, personifying the created things) if genuine, though some MSS. have legonta (grammatical gender agreeing with panta) present active participle of legw, to say. And to the Lamb (kai twi arniwi). Dative case. Praise and worship are rendered to the Lamb precisely as to God on the throne. -Robertson Word Pictures-
 
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Be patient my friend. Abba's purposes in His beloved Son will prevail.

You actually believe that Christ rejectors will end up in heaven with those who are born again?
So, i'll ask again.
WHERE DO Christ rejectors end up?
Where will they be LOCATED that last 100,000,000 years?

Do you actually not believe these verses as found in the New Testament?

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8 JESUS....In flaming fire taking VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 THOSE, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

There is "Abba's purpose for you Finelinen. its called VENGEANCE.

Wake up.
God is coming soon.
Believe it. !
 
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You actually believe that Christ rejectors will end up in heaven with those who are born again?
So, i'll ask again.
WHERE DO Christ rejectors end up?
Where will they be LOCATED that last 100,000,000 years?

Do you actually not believe these verses as found in the New Testament?

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8 JESUS....In flaming fire taking VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 THOSE, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

There is "Abba's purpose for you Finelinen. its called VENGEANCE.

Wake up.
God is coming soon.
Believe it. !

I actually believe that every rotten & depraved sinner will be changed from the inside out. The good, the bad and the ugly.

If you know what it means to be in/en Christ Jesus you are on your way to grasp what Col. 2 proclaims.

If you actually believe Abba's disposition towards His fallen creatures is vengeance you are not leaning your head on the same Father who grasped me many moons ago!
 
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I actually believe that every rotten & depraved sinner will be changed from the inside out. The good, the bad and the ugly.

If you know what it means to be in/en Christ Jesus you are on your way to grasp what Col. 2 proclaims.

If you actually believe Abba's disposition towards His fallen creatures is vengeance you are not leaning your head on the same Father who grasped me many moons ago!

Jesus said..."you must be born again". That is required.
If you dont, Jesus then says...>"if you dont trust in Me, you will die IN your sin".
If you die in your sin, then your sin is NOT FORGIVEN, and neither are you.
= Christ Rejector.
Christ Rejectors are not welcome where Christ is welcoming those who did not Reject Him.

"Depart from ME, i never knew you if you are not BORN AGAIN".
 
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You actually believe that Christ rejectors will end up in heaven with those who are born again?
So, i'll ask again.
WHERE DO Christ rejectors end up?
Where will they be LOCATED that last 100,000,000 years?

Do you actually not believe these verses as found in the New Testament?

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8 JESUS....In flaming fire taking VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 THOSE, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

There is "Abba's purpose for you Finelinen. its called VENGEANCE.

Wake up.
God is coming soon.
Believe it. !



2 Thess.1:9 is not a difficult text to reconcile with the Scriptural teaching of universal reconciliation(UR). Simply put it speaks of an indefinite duration (=aionias,
often deceptively rendered eternal/everlasting) of destruction.

Therefore, whatever you understand by the word "destruction" - whether death, annihilation or ruin - the text is perfectly harmonious with UR passages of the Bible.
Problem solved. Now you can rejoice in the Good News!

2Thess.1:9 Who, indeed, a penalty, shall pay—age-abiding destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might— (Rotherham)

9 who shall incur the justice of eonian extermination from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of His strength" (CLNT)

who shall suffer justice -- destruction age-during -- from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength, (2 Thess 1:9, YLT)

A recent new translation by EO scholar David Bentley Hart reads: "Who shall pay the just reparation of ruin in the Age, coming from the face of the Lord and the glory of his might" (A Translation: The New Testament, 2017, Yale University Press).

Regarding the mistranslation "everlasting" or "eternal" in 2 Thess.1:9: "166 aiṓnios (an adjective, derived from 165 /aiṓn ("an age, having a particular character and quality") –
properly, "age-like" ("like-an-age"), i.e. an "age-characteristic" (the quality describing a particular age);..." Strong's Greek: 166. ???????
(aiónios) -- agelong, eternal


A Greek lexicon at the following url states re the Greek word olethron ("destruction") at 2 Thess.1:9:

"...Hierocles 14, 451b has the thought that the soul of the sinner in Hades is purified by the tortures of hell, and is saved thereby..."

Перевод ὄλεθρος с греческого на все языки

As does p.702 of "A Greek–English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. (BDAG)":

A Greek–English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. (BDAG)
https://www.amazon.ca/Greek-English-Lexicon-Testament-Christian-Literature/dp/0226039331

Compare that above statement to:

"In Ancient Greek mythology, Olethros was the personification of Havoc and probably one of the Makhai. Olethros translates roughly in ancient Greek to "destruction", but often with a positive connotation, as in the destruction required for and preceding renewal."

Here we see "destruction" is for the good of the person:

... deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1Cor 5:5)
He who is finding his soul will be destroying it, and he who destroys his soul on My account will be finding it. (Mt.10:39)

Here we see destruction was temporary:

Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." (Jn.2:19)

"Does the eschatological destruction of 2 Thessalonians 1:9 exclude all redemptive possibilities? Nothing in the text requires such a reading." Continued at:

Thomas Talbott: The Inescapable Love of God (part 5)

II Thessalonians 1:8-9

Further re 2 Thess.1:9, Jason Pratt said:

"Which definitely refers to hopeful punishment (and expected salvation in the same day of the Lord to come), not annihilation, when Paul uses it to talk about handing the Stepmom-Sleeping Guy over to Satan for the whole-destruction of the flesh in 1 Cor 5:5.

"Paul compares it to a birth-pang, which is dangerous but hardly hopeless annihilation (and is generally regarded as very hopeful) at 1 Thess 5:3 (talking about the same day to come).

"Paul uses the term to describe people killed by God in the past at 1 Cor 10:10, which can hardly be annihilation unless the resurrection of the evil as well as the good is denied.

"2 Thess 1:9 uses phrases similar to those found in Isaiah 2, talking about the same coming event, which is part of a block of prophecy where those wholly ruined aren't annihilated, but eventually repent of their sins and go to the "survivors" of God's wrath to be reconciled to God, which God accepts washing them clean with spirit and with fire. (Isaiah 4.) Again, far from a result of hopeless annihilation.

"2 Thess 1 is actually one of my scriptural testimonies 'for' universal salvation."

Annihilation places huge doubt on Universalism

Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."
 
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2 Thess.1:9 is not a difficult text to reconcile with the Scriptural teaching of universal reconciliation(UR). Simply put it speaks of an indefinite duration (=aionias,
often deceptively rendered eternal/everlasting) of destruction.
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You forgot the "flaming fire" part, and the "taking Vengeance" part.
You forgot the "its a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God", part.
And you forgot the "therefore knowing the TERROR of the Lord we teach, preach, ect"....
But dont worry about any of that.....clemontofA
Just keep teaching your own opinion as your gospel, using 40 inches of cut and paste, as that makes it just that much more easy for us to ignore you.
Dont let the truth get in your way.
 
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Jesus said..."you must be born again". That is required.
If you dont, Jesus then says...>"if you dont trust in Me, you will die IN your sin".
If you die in your sin, then your sin is NOT FORGIVEN, and neither are you.
= Christ Rejector.
Christ Rejectors are not welcome where Christ is welcoming those who did not Reject Him.

"Depart from ME, i never knew you if you are not BORN AGAIN".

Being born anew does NOT begin with us laddy.

It is NOT by the will of the flesh or the will of man!

But of God
 
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Being born anew does NOT begin with us laddy.

It is NOT by the will of the flesh or the will of man!

But of God

Dear, Laddy,

The blood of Jesus being shed on the Cross begins the salvation for the "world".
John 3:16.

"justification by Faith"...."The gift of Righteousness".

"Faith is counted as righteousness".

"Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God".
 
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