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The future of evolution?

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Hello,

For those who believe in evolution I wondered what you believe we are currently evolving into?

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I only believe in evolution to a limited extent, but I see a second Sodom and Gomorrah arising if the western world doesn't change its ways.
 
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By my calculations, humans should soon be gaining the ability to fly, or swim underwater with no breathing apparatus, I'm not entirely sure. :scratch:

God did create living creatures with the ability to adapt to their surroundings and the ability to change, (evolve).
 
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The English language has evolved over time. Think about Old English, Middle English, and now Modern English.

For example, take the English word to refer to a woman in the third person:
Old English - heo
Middle English - sche
Modern English - she​

You can see some evolution going on there. So what is the english language evolving into? Impossible to say.

That's what your question is like.
 
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What evolved first. The flowering plant or the bee. If the flowering plant evolved first then how did the plant sense the coming of the bee millions of years before it evolved? How did the plant know that the bee would see in UV? If it had to wait so long for the bee to evolve how did it get it's pollen from it to other plants if it relied on the bee?

If the bee evolved first............?

What evolved first. The fly or the spider? How did the spider work out to lay a trap so a fly would fly into it? Look at spiders and flies, they generally day to day are not aware of each others existence millions of years later?

Insect eating plants. How did a plant figure out there were flies flying around in order to make a meal out of them?

The human body can really only cope with speeds up to about 20MPH without life threatening damage. So how long will it take for the human body to toughen up, to enable it to withstand automobile accidents for example?

Some questions may remain unanswered.
 
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If the human race is evolving into something better, how come the ancient Egyptians were just as intelligent as we are, even more so? I believe that if they had the technology that we have today, they would have been able to build a rocket ship and travel to the moon and possibly to Mars.
 
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I don't think you really understand how evolution works.....
It doesn't. Evolution is fictitious. Made up by godless people who couldn't accept that there is a God who created it all.
 
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It doesn't. Evolution is fictitious. Made up by godless people who couldn't accept that there is a God who created it all.
So the 160 years of overwhelming evidence is just a scam by those godless heathens, right?
 
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So the 160 years of overwhelming evidence is just a scam by those godless heathens, right?
It's just a theory. It has never been substantively proved by conclusive evidence. Even Darwin himself in later life said it was "the unborn ideas of a young man." There is no "overwhelming evidence" just one more theory built upon another. There is more actual evidence for creation than evolution, but because men choose to reject God as the designer and creator, they have to come up with an alternative set of theories that leave God out of the equation. If they were to accept creation, then they would have to accept that there was a Designer, and He would have been the God of the Bible. Then they might have to accept that what the Bible says about Him is true, and then they might have to accept that the Gospel of Christ is true and that they are hopeless sinners needing a Saviour.
 
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So the 160 years of overwhelming evidence is just a scam by those godless heathens, right?
Actually what is happening is that our society is de-evolving. It is rapidly degenerating into godless paganism. All you have to do is to read the newspaper, and walk down the main street of most cities and you will see the godless heathenism in the form of prostitution, homosexuality, murder of unborn babies, robberies, school shootings, terrorist attacks, Muslim mosques and Hindu temples springing up all over the place, false cults increasing, greedy employers raking off the cash while their workers live in poverty. When was the last time you were able to walk down the main street of your city at 2:00am and feel safe? (unless you live in a town where there are more godly folk than godless). When was the last time you were able to leave your home without setting the burglar alarm and leaving the front door unlocked? How many faithful Christian teachers have been fired from the jobs because they refused to teach evolution? So who are the heathen then? Could it be the ones who fired these godly Christian teachers? To be honest, isn't it quite easy to believe that our Western society is turning more and more into a godless heathen one every day? I do.
 
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After 160 years scientists still can't convince everyone that evolution is true because it is not true. God created kinds and these kinds diversify to adapt to the environment as God designed them to, but these kinds were complex from the beginning and kind A doesn't become kind B - kind A remains kind A no matter how many variations of kind A there are. There are no new kinds since creation. Creation was 6 days as it is written and approx. 6 - 10k years have passed by since creation. It's that simple.

Evolution requires a kind of insanity of mind. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (much like these debates - grin : ). In a similar sense, arguments in favor of evolution follow a similar but opposite logic: "Because of similarities in life, similarities in fossils, similarities in DNA... this proves evolution is true." This is complete nonsense - why would God use completely different biological structures (DNA, cells, etc...) to serve a similar intended purpose and function? If I have an eye that "sees" and so does my dog, it doesn't mean we are evolved mammals from a common ancestor, it just means that God intended both mankind and dogkind to see... and so our DNA and our physiology will have some degree of similarity.

For the atheist, there is no ground for discussion - if they don't even believe God exists then they have bigger things to work through before trying to understand the origin of life. For Christians; however, it's without fathom why so many refuse to believe the plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face truths given in the Bible. To these Christians, I ask: What is it exactly that makes you a Christian? Oh, please go on to elaborate beyond "I'm a Christian because I believe Jesus is the son of God" and think you've justified your Christianity because many will say Lord Lord and be told by Jesus that He never knew them. How is it that you are truly following Him - being obedient to His word, believing as He believed? Is it by just believing the truths about your sin, but not about how and when He created you? Pretty lukewarm - sounds like more of a fan.

Being a fan of Christianity - believing in just the bits and pieces that we like makes us no more a Christian than being a fan of the New England Patriots makes us Tom Brady.
 
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It's just a theory. It has never been substantively proved by conclusive evidence. Even Darwin himself in later life said it was "the unborn ideas of a young man." There is no "overwhelming evidence" just one more theory built upon another. There is more actual evidence for creation than evolution, but because men choose to reject God as the designer and creator, they have to come up with an alternative set of theories that leave God out of the equation. If they were to accept creation, then they would have to accept that there was a Designer, and He would have been the God of the Bible. Then they might have to accept that what the Bible says about Him is true, and then they might have to accept that the Gospel of Christ is true and that they are hopeless sinners needing a Saviour.
Well, lets see. We have homologous structures that show common descent, that's some evidence. And in science a 'theory' is used differently than it would be in everyday conversation. In science, a theory is a statement that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. And, we have seen a bacteria cell and its descendants evolve in a lab.
 
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Actually what is happening is that our society is de-evolving. It is rapidly degenerating into godless paganism. All you have to do is to read the newspaper, and walk down the main street of most cities and you will see the godless heathenism in the form of prostitution, homosexuality, murder of unborn babies, robberies, school shootings, terrorist attacks, Muslim mosques and Hindu temples springing up all over the place, false cults increasing, greedy employers raking off the cash while their workers live in poverty. When was the last time you were able to walk down the main street of your city at 2:00am and feel safe? (unless you live in a town where there are more godly folk than godless). When was the last time you were able to leave your home without setting the burglar alarm and leaving the front door unlocked? How many faithful Christian teachers have been fired from the jobs because they refused to teach evolution? So who are the heathen then? Could it be the ones who fired these godly Christian teachers? To be honest, isn't it quite easy to believe that our Western society is turning more and more into a godless heathen one every day? I do.
And other people believing in a different religion than you do is a problem?
 
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After 160 years scientists still can't convince everyone that evolution is true because it is not true. God created kinds and these kinds diversify to adapt to the environment as God designed them to, but these kinds were complex from the beginning and kind A doesn't become kind B - kind A remains kind A no matter how many variations of kind A there are. There are no new kinds since creation. Creation was 6 days as it is written and approx. 6 - 10k years have passed by since creation. It's that simple.

Evolution requires a kind of insanity of mind. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (much like these debates - grin : ). In a similar sense, arguments in favor of evolution follow a similar but opposite logic: "Because of similarities in life, similarities in fossils, similarities in DNA... this proves evolution is true." This is complete nonsense - why would God use completely different biological structures (DNA, cells, etc...) to serve a similar intended purpose and function? If I have an eye that "sees" and so does my dog, it doesn't mean we are evolved mammals from a common ancestor, it just means that God intended both mankind and dogkind to see... and so our DNA and our physiology will have some degree of similarity.

For the atheist, there is no ground for discussion - if they don't even believe God exists then they have bigger things to work through before trying to understand the origin of life. For Christians; however, it's without fathom why so many refuse to believe the plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face truths given in the Bible. To these Christians, I ask: What is it exactly that makes you a Christian? Oh, please go on to elaborate beyond "I'm a Christian because I believe Jesus is the son of God" and think you've justified your Christianity because many will say Lord Lord and be told by Jesus that He never knew them. How is it that you are truly following Him - being obedient to His word, believing as He believed? Is it by just believing the truths about your sin, but not about how and when He created you? Pretty lukewarm - sounds like more of a fan.

Being a fan of Christianity - believing in just the bits and pieces that we like makes us no more a Christian than being a fan of the New England Patriots makes us Tom Brady.
Myself, I don't take the Bible literally, I take a bit more of a contextualist approach to it. Everything just seems to make more sense that way.
 
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And other people believing in a different religion than you do is a problem?
Not a problem for me. People have the right to choose their path in life and what they want to believe in - and to accept the consequences of their choice.
 
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Well, lets see. We have homologous structures that show common descent, that's some evidence. And in science a 'theory' is used differently than it would be in everyday conversation. In science, a theory is a statement that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. And, we have seen a bacteria cell and its descendants evolve in a lab.

It is also known in the scientific community that human Y chromosome are shrinking.

So I agree with @Oscarr that we are devolving. Once a biology professor told me that and I belive it is true. When we are first designed, our genes are perfect, and only started to degrade after we sinned. That is why God only prehibated incest late in the game.

Even when I was an atheist, I was never able to figure out how we solve the incest issue when humans are first "evolved" and have a tiny gene pool. The designed argument is much better suited on that argument. The scientific community knows there are many flaws in evolution theory, just no one dare to acknowlege it since that will imply God, which is forbidden.
 
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Well, lets see. We have homologous structures that show common descent, that's some evidence. And in science a 'theory' is used differently than it would be in everyday conversation. In science, a theory is a statement that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. And, we have seen a bacteria cell and its descendants evolve in a lab.

There are a few major flaws in your statement. You describe Micro Evolution. Not Macro evolution. Where one species evolves into another, it has never happened! "In science, a theory is a statement that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation." - You mix up operational science with origins science. These are two completely different sciences. How can something that supposedly started evolving millions years ago be 'observed', if there were was no one around at that time to 'observe it' and no one around to start experimenting?
 
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There are a few major flaws in your statement. You describe Micro Evolution. Not Macro evolution. Where one species evolves into another, it has never happened! "In science, a theory is a statement that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation." - You mix up operational science with origins science. These are two completely different sciences. How can something that supposedly started evolving millions years ago be 'observed', if there were was no one around at that time to 'observe it' and no one around to start experimenting?
I was referring to Micro evolution with the germ tidbit, but to be fair, I didn't really specify that. And observation and experimentation don't have to be direct. For example, no one alive right now has seen Jesus Christ, yet we know He is real.
 
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