The fourth commandment rest?

[k4c]

Would this include the following God-given commands relating to how God intended the sabbath to be kept? When were these God-given commands repealed?

"1Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

2"Command the sons of Israel and say to them, 'You shall be careful to present My offering, My food for My offerings by fire, of a soothing aroma to Me, at their appointed time.'
3"You shall say to them, 'This is the offering by fire which you shall offer to the LORD: two male lambs one year old without defect as a continual burnt offering every day.
4'You shall offer the one lamb in the morning and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight;
5also a tenth of an ephah of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with a fourth of a hin of beaten oil.
6'It is a continual burnt offering which was ordained in Mount Sinai as a soothing aroma, an offering by fire to the LORD.
7'Then the drink offering with it shall be a fourth of a hin for each lamb, in the holy place you shall pour out a drink offering of strong drink to the LORD.
8'The other lamb you shall offer at twilight; as the grain offering of the morning and as its drink offering, you shall offer it, an offering by fire, a soothing aroma to the LORD.
9'Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering: 10'This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering." Numbers 28:1-10


"1'Thus says the Lord GOD, "The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.

2"The prince shall enter by way of the porch of the gate from outside and stand by the post of the gate Then the priests shall provide his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate and then go out; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening.
3"The people of the land shall also worship at the doorway of that gate before the LORD on the sabbaths and on the new moons.
4"The burnt offering which the prince shall offer to the LORD on the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish; 5and the grain offering shall be an ephah with the ram, and the grain offering with the lambs as much as he is able to give, and a hin of oil with an ephah." Ezekiel 46:1-5.

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BFA

Oh come on now! The fourth commandment is clear... Sure God had to do some tweeking along the way but most of the tweeking had to do with sacrifices, which were all done away with in Christ. Also done away with in Chirst was the strickness of the letter.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Oh come on now! The fourth commandment is clear... Sure God had to do some tweeking along the way but most of the tweeking had to do with sacrifices, which were all done away with in Christ. Also done away with in Chirst was the strickness of the letter.

I guess that means we should be stoning adulterers and doin' the whole 'eye for an eye' thing?

I know some people that aren't gonna like that... most of all Jesus

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Oh come on now! The fourth commandment is clear... Sure God had to do some tweeking along the way but most of the tweeking had to do with sacrifices, which were all done away with in Christ. Also done away with in Chirst was the strickness of the letter.

Everything I've shared has been a God-given command relating to the manner in which the sabbath was to be observed. You seem to be advocating for a new sabbath -- one that does not include all of God's commands on the way the sabbath was supposed to be kept. Please share with us the basis for this new sabbath.

ECR: I guess that means we should be stoning adulterers and doin' the whole 'eye for an eye' thing?

If we are to advocate for the old covenant law, then I would agree that we should advocate for all of it . . . . including the stoning. You're correct in asserting that this is distasteful for many advocates of the law. They want to pick and choose the sections that appeal to them and ignore the rest.

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

But, we do adhere to the other nine precepts and I'm sure if any of us didn't we would consider it sin.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

But, we do adhere to the other nine precepts and I'm sure if any of us didn't we would consider it sin.

There are many principles that predate the addition of the old covenant law (430 years after Abraham). These same principles continue since the Seed came. This includes principles that were very much a part of the old covenatn law but were are not contained in the ten commandments (such as cleanliness, giving, sacrifice, circumcision of the heart, reverence, etc.).

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Let me ask it more directly... a yes or no answer would be nice.

Do you keep the other nine precepts of the Law?

I am assuming (maybe wrongly) the answer is yes...

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Let me ask it more directly... a yes or no answer would be nice.

Do you keep the other nine precepts of the Law?


I am assuming (maybe wrongly) the answer is yes...

I find deep meaning in principles similar to those contained in all of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws.

• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in the ten commandments.
• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in Leviticus 23.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of rest.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of worship.

You asked for a direct answer and this is as direct as I know how to be.

• I cannot limit my answer to only 9 of the 600+ God-given commands, for I do not and cannot limit my exploration of valuable principles to only 9 of God's commands.
• I also could not limit my exploration to only those commands that were contained in the old covenant.
• I also could not limit my exploration to the written word, for the Spirit convicts with respect to sin and righteousness and judgment.

There are many ways to learn about Godly principles and I would not want to limit myself to a small portion of a covenant that God made with a group of people thousands of years ago (though I can certainly find some valuable principles in that covenant as well).

BFA

 

[Servant of the Lord]

I find deep meaning in principles similar to those contained in all of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws.

• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in the ten commandments.
• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in Leviticus 23.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of rest.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of worship.

You asked for a direct answer and this is as direct as I know how to be. I cannot limit my answer to only 9 of the 600+ God-given commands, for I do not and cannot limit my exploration of valuable principles to only 9 of God's commands.

BFA

I'll help you to come out of the closet.

Your short answer would be: "No, I don't keep the other nine precepts of the law."

BFA:

Would it be incorrect to say then, that you accept many God-given commands but choose to reject the only ones written by the finger of God? And you justify this by stating you don't want to "limit your exploration of valuable principles".. ? So the Ten Commandments are not valuable principles? Is your reply some kind of joke?

Is it not written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God?


Are you sure you used to be an SDA? Why have you traded in truth for that shaky house built on sand???


SotL

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Sounds like a lawyers answer... 'this includes but is not limited to...'

You could have said yes to the question and then expounded upon it but you didn't... why?? Are you that afraid of admitting that the decalogue is the base from which all other precepts and ordinances come. If the Israelites had been more spiritually minded and could have discerned the decalogue for ALL it represents, letter and spirit, then the ordinances would not have been necessary. The sanctuary message is distinct and seperate from the decalogue but is just as important for us, even today.

It's so sad to me that you have fallen from light into darkness by reason of your own surmisings.... I hope you have not reached the point of greiving the Holy Spirit

 

[Byfaithalone1]

You could have said yes to the question and then expounded upon it but you didn't... why??

The answer is simple. I can make no claim to keeping any of the 600+ old covenant laws.


As I mentioned, I find deep meaning in principles similar to those contained in all of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws.

• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in the ten commandments.
• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in Leviticus 23.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of rest.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of worship.

Are you that afraid of admitting that the decalogue is the base from which all other precepts and ordinances come.

Although this claim has been made repeatedly, I can find no Biblical basis for it. Rather, there are many principles that predate Sinai.

If the Israelites had been more spiritually minded and could have discerned the decalogue for ALL it represents, letter and spirit, then the ordinances would not have been necessary.

This assumes that the ten commandments predate the passover and animal sacrifices and other laws. I can't find a Biblical basis for this conclusion.

It's so sad to me that you have fallen from light into darkness by reason of your own surmisings.... I hope you have not reached the point of greiving the Holy Spirit . . .

Ouch.

Sounds like a lawyers answer...

This question felt like I was in a deposition:

ECR wrote: Let me ask it more directly... a yes or no answer would be nice.
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BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Your short answer would be: "No, I don't keep the other nine precepts of the law."

Yes. It is true. I do not consistently keep any of the commands set out in the old covenant law. All of us are in the same boat in this regard. If any of us is guilty in one point, we are guilty in every point.

Would it be incorrect to say then, that you accept many God-given commands but choose to reject the only ones written by the finger of God?

Yes. It would be incorrect.

And you justify this by stating you don't want to "limit your exploration of valuable principles".. ? So the Ten Commandments are not valuable principles?

No, I confirmed in my last post that the principles in all old covenant laws, including the ten commandments, are valuable. Here's what I wrote:

"I find deep meaning in principles similar to those contained in all of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws. This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in the ten commandments. This includes principles relating to rest. This includes principles relating to worship."
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Are you sure you used to be an SDA?

Yes. Quite sure.

I'll help you to come out of the closet. Is your reply some kind of joke? Why have you traded in truth for that shaky house built on sand???

Ouch.

BFA

 

[Servant of the Lord]

Yes. It is true. I do not consistently keep any of the commands set out in the old covenant law. All of us are in the same boat in this regard. If any of us is guilty in one point, we are guilty in every point.

The Ten Commandments were reaffirmed in the new covenant.

Ouch.

The truth can hurt sometimes. At this point you have accepted Satan's masterpiece of deception. You want to claim God's pardon for your sins but you reject the very law that points out your sin. Why do you need a Saviour if there is no moral law that you are accountable to? Wake up please

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Exactly... why did Jesus ned to die if the rules could be changed? Wouldn't that have been easier?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Why do you need a Saviour if there is no moral law that you are accountable to?

Because the Spirit has convicted me of my sin. And, as a sinner living after the Seed has come, I very much need a Savior. The wages of sin (about which the Spirit has provided conviction) are death.

Exactly... why did Jesus ned to die if the rules could be changed? Wouldn't that have been easier?

If God-given rules never change, why don't we offer animal sacrifices or observe the passover or wear tzitzit or circumcise all males?


As I mentioned in previous posts, I find deep meaning in principles similar to those contained in all of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws.

• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in the ten commandments.
• This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in Leviticus 23.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of rest.
• This includes the important and very relevant principle of worship.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The truth can hurt sometimes. At this point you have accepted Satan's masterpiece of deception. You want to claim God's pardon for your sins but you reject the very law that points out your sin. Wake up please

Ouch.

BFA

 

[Servant of the Lord]

Ouch.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Interesting cartoon.

BFA

 

[Servant of the Lord]

Yup I thought so too.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The Ten Commandments were reaffirmed in the new covenant.

When I read 2 Corinthians 3, Romans 7, Galatians 3-4 and Hebrews 8, I'm left with a different conclusion. However, I do understand and respect that this is what you believe. Is there anything you can share about the thought process that led you to this conclusion?

BFA

 

[Servant of the Lord]

When I read 2 Corinthians 3, Romans 7, Galatians 3-4 and Hebrews 8, I'm left with a different conclusion. However, I do understand and respect that this is what you believe. Is there anything you can share about the thought process that led you to this conclusion?

BFA

I read those same chapters and I don't hear of the law being done away with. Quite the contrary actually, it is there to continue to point out our sin and bring us closer to Christ. As we walk by faith and grow in grace we are sanctified and brought into obedience to the divine law..

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Let me ask you a friendly question BFA..

How would you define "repentance" as found in the Bible in your own words?