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I read those same chapters and I don't hear of the law being done away with.
What I find is that:
  • Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law.
  • Not one jot or tittle of the law could have passed (i.e. passover, animal sacrifices) unless Jesus Christ has already fulfilled it.
  • The letters engraved on stones are a ministry of death when compared to the ministry of the Spirit which brings life.
  • The new covenant is not like the old; it's built on new and better promises.
  • The law was added as a schoolmaster 430 years after Abraham and only until the Seed came.
  • We are no longer under a schoolmaster.
  • Hagar, the slave woman, represented the covenant that was from Sinai.
  • The command has already been given to get rid of the slave woman.
  • We have been released from the law that includes "thou shalt not covet," having died to that by which we were bound.
Just sharing my point of view. I don't ask that you share it. We do have some things in common. For example, I suspect that each of us finds deep meaning in principles similar to the law. However, I'm not sure whether you find meaning in all of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws. If I've understood your posts correctly, it seems that you only find meaning in 10 of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws. Is that accurate?

How would you define "repentance" as found in the Bible in your own words?
I've noticed that there is already a separate thread on this topic. I'll add my comments there.

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What I find is that:

  • Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law.
OK BFA we'll hypothetically say that Christ fulfilling the law means he was removing the law. Let's see what that looks like in text..

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to "remove it".

That sounds kind of bogus don't you think? Obviously the word "fulfill" used in Matthew 5:17 has the following definition,

Definition of FULFILL


transitive verb
1
archaic : to make full : fill <her subtle, warm, and golden breath…fulfills him with beatitude — Alfred Tennyson>

2
a : to put into effect : execute


Go and read Matthew 28:36-40..

If we love God with all our heart, soul, and strength, will we take his name in vain? Will we continue to serve other gods?

If we love our neighbor as ourselves, shall we rob them? kill them? Shall I lay with my neighbor's wife?



  • Not on jot or tittle of the law could have passed (i.e. passover, animal sacrifices) unless Jesus Christ has already fulfilled it.

Christ's death ended the sacrifices and ordinances, as type met antitype. Again, you are mistakenly mixing the ceremonial law with His Holy and Eternal Moral Law. The Ten Commandments could not pass away, as Jesus said in Matthew 5:18

  • The letters engraved on stones are a ministry of death when compared to the ministry of the Spirit which brings life.
The letters on stone written with the finger of God are our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. They show us our need of repentance and godly sorrow for sin.

  • The new covenant is not like the old; it's built on new and better promises.
The new covenant removed the sacrificial system because as previously stated, type met anti type. The new covenant also amplified the moral law with new spiritual applications that magnify our understanding of the letter.

For example,

Matthew 5:27-28
27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


  • The law was added as a schoolmaster 430 years after Abraham and only until the Seed came.
Adam disobeyed God and came under the penalty of sin thousands of years before Abraham. The law has always existed. God wrote the law on stone for His people Israel, both the literal nation of Israel and the Spiritual Israel of today. All of us who worship God in Spirit and in TRUTH.

  • We are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The author of Galatians also wrote Romans.

Romans 6

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

  • Hagar, the slave woman, represented the covenant that was from Sinai.
Correct, the old covenant. Not the Ten Commandments.

The Old Covenant --
Not the Ten Commandments
Is this a biblical position? It is just as important to understand what the Old Covenant was not, as to know what it was. Right now, let us look at three absolute proofs that the covenant which disappeared was not the Ten Commandments. Then we will determine by comparing scripture with scripture just what the Old Covenant was.
First of all, we notice that the Old Covenant had some poor promises in it. The New Covenant, we are told, "was established upon better promises." Verse 6. Tell me, has anyone ever been able to point out any poor promises in the Ten Commandments? Never. On the contrary, Paul declares that they were very good. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth." Ephesians 6:1-3.
This declaration alone is sufficient to show that the writer of Hebrews was not charging the moral law with any weak promises. The Old Covenant, whatever else it might be, could never be the Ten Commandments.
The second thing wrong with the Old Covenant was that it was faulty. The Bible says, "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:7. Let me ask you a question: Has any man ever been able to find a fault or a flaw in the handwriting of God? The psalmist declared, "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul." Psalm 19:7. Paul wrote, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12.
Does that sound like something weak and imperfect? No law could be perfect and faulty at the same time. It becomes more and more apparent that the Old Covenant could not have been the Ten Commandments.
Finally, though, we read the most dramatic thing about the Old Covenant - it was to be abolished! "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13. Now we can ask a serious question that should settle every doubt on this matter. Did the great moral law of Ten Commandments vanish away? Anyone who has read the New Testament must answer, Absolutely not. Paul affirms the exact opposite about the law. He asked, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31.
Does the Bible contradict itself? Can something vanish away and be established at the same time? Did the same writer say opposite things about the same law? Just to be certain that Paul was not saying that the Old Covenant was the law, let us insert the words "Old Covenant" instead of the word "law" into Romans 3:31. "Do we than make void the Old Covenant through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the Old Covenant."
That doesn't sound right at all, does it? We know that the Old Covenant had vanished away and could never be spoken of in this way. Very clearly, then, we can see that the covenant which came to an end could not have been the Ten Commandments.

You can read the entire book here Why-the-Old-Covenant-Failed
  • The command has already been given to get rid of the slave woman.
See Above.

  • We have been released from the law that includes "thou shalt not covet," having died to that by which we were bound.
So that means we are free to sin? Or are we free FROM sin?? Did Christ die so that his people could continue in the very sins he came to save them from??

Jude 1:24-25
24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Just sharing my point of view. I don't ask that you share it.

I can't share your point of view, it's not what the Bible teaches.


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OK BFA we'll hypothetically say that Christ fulfilling the law means he was removing the law.

That's not how I view fulfillment. Rather, I find that, when an obligation has been fulfilled, its requirements have been fully met or "filled full."

Christ's death ended the sacrifices and ordinances, as type met antitype.

If so, then I must conclude that the law -- in its entirety, with all its jots and tittles -- has been filled full and there's no need to advocate for it.

The letters on stone written with the finger of God are our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. They show us our need of repentance and godly sorrow for sin.

What I find is that the letters engraved on stones are the ministry that brings death. That is not the ministry I advocate.

The new covenant removed the sacrificial system because as previously stated, type met anti type. The new covenant also amplified the moral law with new spiritual applications that magnify our understanding of the letter.

I understand that this is your opinion and I accept it as such. However, I'm left with the reality that the new covenant is not like the old for it is built on new and better promises.

You are correct in noticing that the establishment of a new covenant does not eradicate the mind of God or the principles that existed before the law was added. As I mentioned previously, I find deep meaning in principles similar to those contained in all of the 600+ God-given old covenant laws.
  • This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in the ten commandments.
  • This includes -- but is not limited to -- principles similar to those documented in Leviticus 23.
  • This includes the important and very relevant principle of rest.
  • This includes the important and very relevant principle of worship.
Adam disobeyed God and came under the penalty of sin thousands of years before Abraham. The law has always existed.

Based on the passages I mentioned, I cannot share this conclusion. Rather, the law was added 430 years after Abraham and only until the Seed came.

I accept that you have a different point of view and have instead concluded that the law has always existed. Does this mean that the sabbath has always existed? Or that the passover has always existed, even prior to the children of Israel? Or that circumcision has always existed, even prior to Abraham?

The author of Galatians also wrote Romans.

Indeed he did, which is why I also cited Romans 7. However, the book of Romans is not in conflict with the book of Galatians which confirms that we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The fact that we are no longer under a schoolmaster does not leave us in a place where we will let sin reign in our mortal bodies. Praise God, the ministry of the Spirit is more glorious than the ministry of the letters engraved on stones. The Spirit convicts us with respect to sin and righteousness and judgment in a way the letters could not.

Correct, the old covenant. Not the Ten Commandments.

One must naturally ask which covenant was from Sinai. Exodus 19-20 seems to answer this question. Clearly, the command has already been given to get rid of the slave woman.

So that means we are free to sin?

As an Ariminian, I would bet that you would agree that we have always been free to sin. The relevant point is that we have been released from the law. Which law? The law that includes "thou shalt not covet."

Did Christ die so that his people could continue in the very sins he came to save them from??

No, of course not. That's why He sent the Spirit who convicts of sin and righteousness and judgment. You and I agree that He will present us faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy. Praise God for that which HE will do (and not that which I will do).

I can't share your point of view

I honestly would not ask you to. I'm merely sharing my point of view. I understand that you have not reached the same conclusions and I'm OK with that.

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