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Are you able to find an explanation in scripture of the command not to build a fire on Holy days?
Ours not to reason why, ours but to do and die. ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' in abbreviations.
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@Travis93
Brother Travis: you mentioned the 2 castes, some are allowed in and some are not.
My question is: Allowed in where?
Salvation does not have shades, either you are saved or you are not.
Those invited to the wedding of the Lamb with the New Jerusalem, not the church, will enter that New Jerusalem.
Who is invited to the wedding?
Those whose names have been written in the "Book of Life."
Where is the rest? They have been thrown inside the lake of fire.
So eternal salvation is obtained through Christ the King: Jesus.
The castes you mentioned will not be part of that eternal salvation. God does not make differences between those that love Him.
He hates those that are not obedient to Him. Those that do not worship Him.
Revelation 21:8
The fearful (cowardly),
The unbelieving,
The abominable,
The murderers,
The whoremongers (sexual inmoral).
The sorcerers,
The idolaters, and
All the liars.
All those that enter the "New Jerusalem", will be equals. No more discrimination.
During the 1,000 years, those chosen to preach the good news of the coming kingdom, will have different assignments throughout the world.
There will be many to be taught righteousness so they could be saved. At the beginning of the 1,000 years, not a year more or not a year less, the enemy is tied up and the rest, his fallen angels (devils), will be eaten by the fowls.
So during those 1,000 years, those living in Earth, will receive the good news of the coming Kingdom: eternal life in God's company.
Where did you get the idea of castes? Indian culture?
SAY NO TO DISCRIMINATION
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Brother Travis: you mentioned the 2 castes, some are allowed in and some are not.
My question is: Allowed in where?
Salvation does not have shades, either you are saved or you are not.
Those invited to the wedding of the Lamb with the New Jerusalem, not the church, will enter that New Jerusalem.
Who is invited to the wedding?
Those whose names have been written in the "Book of Life."
Where is the rest? They have been thrown inside the lake of fire.
So eternal salvation is obtained through Christ the King: Jesus.
The castes you mentioned will not be part of that eternal salvation. God does not make differences between those that love Him.
He hates those that are not obedient to Him. Those that do not worship Him.
Revelation 21:8
The fearful (cowardly),
The unbelieving,
The abominable,
The murderers,
The whoremongers (sexual inmoral).
The sorcerers,
The idolaters, and
All the liars.
All those that enter the "New Jerusalem", will be equals. No more discrimination.
During the 1,000 years, those chosen to preach the good news of the coming kingdom, will have different assignments throughout the world.
There will be many to be taught righteousness so they could be saved. At the beginning of the 1,000 years, not a year more or not a year less, the enemy is tied up and the rest, his fallen angels (devils), will be eaten by the fowls.
So during those 1,000 years, those living in Earth, will receive the good news of the coming Kingdom: eternal life in God's company.
Where did you get the idea of castes? Indian culture?
SAY NO TO DISCRIMINATION
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@Shimshon
Jesus was not inclusive.
Inclusive is to follow Jewish tradition.
Why?
Jesus hates Jewish traditions, even though He is jewish, because they annul the commandments of His father.
He was against the hierarchy of Israel because they were making a mockery of God's instructions.
What did He do to the money changers in the temple?
Jesus hates UNBELIEVERS and here on this post I see some of them, because they don't believe what Jesus said.
Is very clear, you don't have to be a person with a lot of titles or medals to see the fruits.
What are our fruits?
What we write demonstrates what we believe on. Those written words are part of our fruits.
AN APPLE ANYONE?
(And it was not an apple)
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Jesus was not inclusive.
Inclusive is to follow Jewish tradition.
Why?
Jesus hates Jewish traditions, even though He is jewish, because they annul the commandments of His father.
He was against the hierarchy of Israel because they were making a mockery of God's instructions.
What did He do to the money changers in the temple?
Jesus hates UNBELIEVERS and here on this post I see some of them, because they don't believe what Jesus said.
Is very clear, you don't have to be a person with a lot of titles or medals to see the fruits.
What are our fruits?
What we write demonstrates what we believe on. Those written words are part of our fruits.
AN APPLE ANYONE?
(And it was not an apple)
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yeshuaslavejeff
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arrrrggghhhhhh........ the ICE MAN COMETH >>>>>
what happened to the (literal) pillar of fire by night/ dark cloud by day/, that stood between Israel and the Egyptians keeping them apart until
Yhwh prepared the way across the sea on dry ground ?
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Not TORAH, but the
'man-made' and/or demonic traditions. (like gentiles indulge in every day too).
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To demonstrate what Jesus meant "Wherefore by their fruits."
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Mark 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
Mark 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Mark 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mark 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
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Continued:
Matthew 7:20
20. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
On this thread, two persons have only made one post each.
Disciple1 on post #57 said:
"I don't believe anyone can keep the Sabbath." (Jesus did)
"I also don't believe we need to."
(Incorrect because the Law is still in place, already demonstrated in this thread)
I believe all we need to do is help people. (Works only and forget the rest)
So with only 1 post and 3 statements of what he believes we now know what his fruits and mind are.
Do you imagine if we study what everyone (8 posters that posted less than 10 times and 6 posters that posted more than 20 times) posted here.
So what you post on this thread or any other threads or forums is part of your fruits.
What we believe, either will save us or will send us to the lake of fire.
We have to believe in Jesus, in God, on what He wants from us.
Summarized in Ecclesiastical 12:13-14
13. Let us hear the conclusion or the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man
14. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Amen.
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Matthew 7:20
20. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
On this thread, two persons have only made one post each.
Disciple1 on post #57 said:
"I don't believe anyone can keep the Sabbath." (Jesus did)
"I also don't believe we need to."
(Incorrect because the Law is still in place, already demonstrated in this thread)
I believe all we need to do is help people. (Works only and forget the rest)
So with only 1 post and 3 statements of what he believes we now know what his fruits and mind are.
Do you imagine if we study what everyone (8 posters that posted less than 10 times and 6 posters that posted more than 20 times) posted here.
So what you post on this thread or any other threads or forums is part of your fruits.
What we believe, either will save us or will send us to the lake of fire.
We have to believe in Jesus, in God, on what He wants from us.
Summarized in Ecclesiastical 12:13-14
13. Let us hear the conclusion or the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man
14. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Amen.
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Meant Ecclesiastes.
One who addresses an assembly.
Ekklesia, not church.
Both words have different meanings.
So the words you use are important to convey your message. God picked the Hebrew, the Greek and the Aramaic that some people say is the language spoken in Heaven
Jesus used it a lot.
We are using English here but we need to have some idea of the original like sabbath, sabbaton.
On this thread we have been discussing the gospel and the resurrection, so we better understand some terms.
At that time the days were not called like we do nowadays.
We now are paying respect to other gods by the way we call the days of the sabbaton. Also by the way we call our months but September, October, November and December are correct.
They mean to be the 7th month (septa), the 8th month (octa), the 9th month (nona) and the 10th month (deca).
Somebody has changed what God instructed us to do. Is that human nature we have: sinners and desobedient. We want to do what we think is right not what God told us to do.
So if He said you keep the sabbath, we better keep it forever.
The Jewish nation is doing it. Good for them.
Christianity has been deceived so they do it on the 1st day of the week.
Muslims do it on Friday.
Other religions believe on multiple gods.
So, NEVER ON SUNDAY.
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One who addresses an assembly.
Ekklesia, not church.
Both words have different meanings.
So the words you use are important to convey your message. God picked the Hebrew, the Greek and the Aramaic that some people say is the language spoken in Heaven
Jesus used it a lot.
We are using English here but we need to have some idea of the original like sabbath, sabbaton.
On this thread we have been discussing the gospel and the resurrection, so we better understand some terms.
At that time the days were not called like we do nowadays.
We now are paying respect to other gods by the way we call the days of the sabbaton. Also by the way we call our months but September, October, November and December are correct.
They mean to be the 7th month (septa), the 8th month (octa), the 9th month (nona) and the 10th month (deca).
Somebody has changed what God instructed us to do. Is that human nature we have: sinners and desobedient. We want to do what we think is right not what God told us to do.
So if He said you keep the sabbath, we better keep it forever.
The Jewish nation is doing it. Good for them.
Christianity has been deceived so they do it on the 1st day of the week.
Muslims do it on Friday.
Other religions believe on multiple gods.
So, NEVER ON SUNDAY.
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Just to show you that people are trying to take advantage with how things are translated.
Pastors and preachers mention that the tithing has been continued and allowed by God.
1 Corinthians 9:14 (KJV)
14. "Even so hath the LORD ordained that they which preach the gospel should live "of" the gospel."
Big lie on the translation to take advantage that they should receive the 10% of the land like the Levites did in the old times.
Just a little addition of a 2 letter word "of" added after live.
Let's rewritte:
14. Even so hath the LORD ordained that they which preach the gospel should live the gospel.
It means that those preachers should practise what they preach.
They should "BREATHE" the gospel. Not to make money out of it.
Where did I get this? From perusing the original language and understanding the meaning of "live the gospel" and NOT "live of the gospel."
Are you brothers getting this?
The gospels point to a SABBATH RESURRECTION and not one on the first day of the week.
Beware of the lies and the liars.
Check things for yourselves, then you will start becoming a friend of Jesus, not through intermediaries that might not know the Truth.
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Pastors and preachers mention that the tithing has been continued and allowed by God.
1 Corinthians 9:14 (KJV)
14. "Even so hath the LORD ordained that they which preach the gospel should live "of" the gospel."
Big lie on the translation to take advantage that they should receive the 10% of the land like the Levites did in the old times.
Just a little addition of a 2 letter word "of" added after live.
Let's rewritte:
14. Even so hath the LORD ordained that they which preach the gospel should live the gospel.
It means that those preachers should practise what they preach.
They should "BREATHE" the gospel. Not to make money out of it.
Where did I get this? From perusing the original language and understanding the meaning of "live the gospel" and NOT "live of the gospel."
Are you brothers getting this?
The gospels point to a SABBATH RESURRECTION and not one on the first day of the week.
Beware of the lies and the liars.
Check things for yourselves, then you will start becoming a friend of Jesus, not through intermediaries that might not know the Truth.
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As you saw it in my previous post, beware of what you read and from whom.
I always thought that the KJV was a good translation, one of the better ones - the YLT is not a good translation as we saw the problem with the first of the Sabbaths, it meant the first day of the week (sabbaton). But now I have seen it with my own eyes and if I want to get to the Truth, I need to check things like the people of Berea did.
Too many liars around learning from the Chief Master Deceiver none other than the fallen Light.
It become the Dark Light of Doomsday. But if we believe in Jesus, we know that Satan lost the game and he will do his out most that as many people go through the "second death", the spiritual death so you don't enter the New Jerusalem for eternity.
LET'S GET READY TO RECEIVE THAT WEDDING INVITATION
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I always thought that the KJV was a good translation, one of the better ones - the YLT is not a good translation as we saw the problem with the first of the Sabbaths, it meant the first day of the week (sabbaton). But now I have seen it with my own eyes and if I want to get to the Truth, I need to check things like the people of Berea did.
Too many liars around learning from the Chief Master Deceiver none other than the fallen Light.
It become the Dark Light of Doomsday. But if we believe in Jesus, we know that Satan lost the game and he will do his out most that as many people go through the "second death", the spiritual death so you don't enter the New Jerusalem for eternity.
LET'S GET READY TO RECEIVE THAT WEDDING INVITATION
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Amadeois in post #27:
<< God asked the Jews what did you do with my sabbath during the 70 years captivity in Babylon.
Jesus when He comes back is going to ask the same question,
What have you done with my sabbaths? >>
Amadeois,
You finally told us that you are getting this from Ezekiel 22: 8, which isn't obvious.
The Chapter is specifically about Jerusalem, and not about the Jews, as you claim, although the two obviously overlap. Also, you say that God poses this question when the Jews return from Babylon. In Chapter 22, Ezekiel implies that the accusations against Jerusalem listed are the reason why God judged Jerusalem, and Israel, allowed the King of Babylon to drag off many Jews into captivity. Ezekiel is listing the sins which led to Babylonian victory and the Exile. So you have the timing backwards.
The Chapter gives a long list of grievances. It repeatedly mentions “shedding of blood.” The commentator John Gill sums it up: “The prophet is ordered to judge them, and lay before them their abominable sins, Ezekiel 22:1, of which a long list is given, as murder, idolatry; contempt of parents; oppression of the stranger, fatherless, and widow; negligence of holy things; profanation of the sabbath; tale bearing, lewdness and uncleanness of various sorts; bribery, usury, extortion, and dishonest gain ...”
It looks like the sabbath-breaking is only one of a long list of things that God holds against Jerusalem. One of the reasons that sabbath is mentioned is not simply a violation of the rule but serious crimes being committed on the sabbath. A crime is worse for being done on a day that should be a day of reflection and prayer.
Amadeois, if you understand this passage then you are seriously misrepresenting it. Apparently you see only what you want to see.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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@amadeois has posted a lot of things true that others have missed, ignored or defiled on purpose for centuries, from God's Revelation / Word.
I don't have a clue who they are, male of female, young or old, where they live or what they do,
but they have done remarkably for someone raised in a society completely opposed to Yhwh the Creator, a society that completely rejects and opposes Yeshua Messiah and His people.
Unless they are very very rare, I doubt if they were raised knowing the Truth,
but have started to find it and hopefully directly as Yhwh has been starting to reveal it to them and Yhwh has been training and teaching them
as Yhwh Pleases to do with those who rely on Him and trust Him DAILY.
i.e. so then, they may have some rough edges, so what ?
so then, they may have yet much to learn, so what ?
pursue the TRUTH together,
by faith in Jesus , relying and trusting in the Father in heaven.
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Some people's understanding of what is written in the word is flawed.
My brother yeshuaslavejeff, I believe, understands what I'm writing about.
I can not assume why others do not understand what I write but is their own understanding of the word of God.
It seems to be the way people interpret things, the way they want to see it. We need to interpret the word the way of the writer and not ours. So you really need to know the writer WELL.
How do you do that?
You do it very carefully not to be deceived by the enemy.
Do you know the tricks of the enemy?
He is very SUBTLE.
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My brother yeshuaslavejeff, I believe, understands what I'm writing about.
I can not assume why others do not understand what I write but is their own understanding of the word of God.
It seems to be the way people interpret things, the way they want to see it. We need to interpret the word the way of the writer and not ours. So you really need to know the writer WELL.
How do you do that?
You do it very carefully not to be deceived by the enemy.
Do you know the tricks of the enemy?
He is very SUBTLE.
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My brother yeshuaslavejeff understands, like I do, that Christianity has been deceived for over 1,700 years.
Jesus left this earth and the enemy went to work immediately.
People here have been presented with the Truth from the word but still they are hard headed abd di nit want to admit their errors.
I read that God will only allow those that love Him to understand His message.
The others that show pride of knowledge, such as some scholars, and that have a proud heart, will never get it.
It will be swoosh over their heads. I call it a "mighty wind" is around and in some cases it will change into a hurricane. May be a Hurry Cain? (Play with words, but not with the word of God)
Do you have the armor of God on? I do. Specially the sword, that's why some people don't like what I write.
Peace may be with you brothers.
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Jesus left this earth and the enemy went to work immediately.
People here have been presented with the Truth from the word but still they are hard headed abd di nit want to admit their errors.
I read that God will only allow those that love Him to understand His message.
The others that show pride of knowledge, such as some scholars, and that have a proud heart, will never get it.
It will be swoosh over their heads. I call it a "mighty wind" is around and in some cases it will change into a hurricane. May be a Hurry Cain? (Play with words, but not with the word of God)
Do you have the armor of God on? I do. Specially the sword, that's why some people don't like what I write.
Peace may be with you brothers.
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@Dale
I'm glad that you are picking on what I have written, but you are not getting the message.
Some of the things I said have to do with things that happened to the Jewish nation. It seems you are not one of them thus why you don't understand.
My brother yeshuaslavejeff is a jew that loves Yeshua and understands what I said.
All for the love of our Saviour, our Messiah, Yeshua HamaShiash.
I am not a jew, but I have studied the OT and Hebrew history and traditions and more.
What I am?
A catholic? I was but I saw the errors and changed.
A christian? I was but I saw the errors and changed.
A lover of Jesus? Yes, 100%
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I'm glad that you are picking on what I have written, but you are not getting the message.
Some of the things I said have to do with things that happened to the Jewish nation. It seems you are not one of them thus why you don't understand.
My brother yeshuaslavejeff is a jew that loves Yeshua and understands what I said.
All for the love of our Saviour, our Messiah, Yeshua HamaShiash.
I am not a jew, but I have studied the OT and Hebrew history and traditions and more.
What I am?
A catholic? I was but I saw the errors and changed.
A christian? I was but I saw the errors and changed.
A lover of Jesus? Yes, 100%
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Last night I was pondering about life and what I said about not being a jew. But may be I am a spiritual one, not circumcised in the flesh but in my heart.
You need to be a jew to understand Jesus, Yeshua HamaShiash. Why? He was a jew from the tribe of Judah and a priest from the order of Melchisedec. (There is a lot behind that order that has some secrets that we should discover)
So as a good practising jew, he was obedient to the fourth commandment imposed not only to the jews but to ALL OF US.
Is an everlasting covenant that will be kept for ever and ever.
A lot of people here call themselves Christians because they follow Christmas the Redeemer, Jesus.
But are you following Him in regards to what He believes?
You believe on Sunday but not on the Sabbath, the shabbat, the day of rest and you call yourselves christians.
Are you people hypocrites?
Say you believe on one thing but believe on another.
Does Christianity says that they believe Jesus but don't follow Him?
What was said about the mark given by the False Prophet on your head OR your hand?
It means you believe something (mark on your head) but do something different (hand means actions).
Actions that DO NOT agree with your mind.
Can I say that Christianity has the mark of the dragon?
Yes, totally yes.
Why?
Because Christianity has been deceived for over 1,700 years to believe in the ideas of the adversary, God's adversary: none other than Lucifer.
Our present church, should be called congregation, is the Laodicean congregation of Revelation 3:14-22
A lukewarm congregation that God will sue it out if His mouth.
Why?
Because this congregation is:
1. Says I'm rich but God days:
a. You are wretched,
b. You are miserable,
c. You are poor,
d. You are naked, and
e. You are BLIND.
GOD'S ADVICE
Buy gold tried in the fire
Buy white rainment
Anoint your eyes with EYE-SALVE
Be zealous and REPENT.
You can read 20 through 22 and see the results.
These are God's words and advice to those that believe are part of His church but are not part of His True CONGREGATION.
ARE WE GOING TO REPENT AND TO FOLLOW HIS ADVICE?
Smart people will do.
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You need to be a jew to understand Jesus, Yeshua HamaShiash. Why? He was a jew from the tribe of Judah and a priest from the order of Melchisedec. (There is a lot behind that order that has some secrets that we should discover)
So as a good practising jew, he was obedient to the fourth commandment imposed not only to the jews but to ALL OF US.
Is an everlasting covenant that will be kept for ever and ever.
A lot of people here call themselves Christians because they follow Christmas the Redeemer, Jesus.
But are you following Him in regards to what He believes?
You believe on Sunday but not on the Sabbath, the shabbat, the day of rest and you call yourselves christians.
Are you people hypocrites?
Say you believe on one thing but believe on another.
Does Christianity says that they believe Jesus but don't follow Him?
What was said about the mark given by the False Prophet on your head OR your hand?
It means you believe something (mark on your head) but do something different (hand means actions).
Actions that DO NOT agree with your mind.
Can I say that Christianity has the mark of the dragon?
Yes, totally yes.
Why?
Because Christianity has been deceived for over 1,700 years to believe in the ideas of the adversary, God's adversary: none other than Lucifer.
Our present church, should be called congregation, is the Laodicean congregation of Revelation 3:14-22
A lukewarm congregation that God will sue it out if His mouth.
Why?
Because this congregation is:
1. Says I'm rich but God days:
a. You are wretched,
b. You are miserable,
c. You are poor,
d. You are naked, and
e. You are BLIND.
GOD'S ADVICE
Buy gold tried in the fire
Buy white rainment
Anoint your eyes with EYE-SALVE
Be zealous and REPENT.
You can read 20 through 22 and see the results.
These are God's words and advice to those that believe are part of His church but are not part of His True CONGREGATION.
ARE WE GOING TO REPENT AND TO FOLLOW HIS ADVICE?
Smart people will do.
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