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Here's something that baffles me about Seventh Day Adventists, and their offshoots. One of the first things an SDA member will say is, “Where did Jesus say that we don't have to keep the Sabbath?” Yet the SDA do not keep it themselves. They go to church on Saturday but they don't follow all the Old Testament Sabbath laws.
What does the Old Testament say about cooking on the Sabbath?
Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
--Exodus 35:3 NIV
In other words, there are to be no cooking fires, and no cooking on the Sabbath.
SDA Founder Ellen White had a different view.
“While cooking upon the Sabbath should be avoided, it is not necessary to eat cold food. In cold weather let the food prepared the day before be heated.”
This EGW quote is from Testimonies for the Church, Volume 6, Section 6: Cautions & Counsels,The Observance of the Sabbath, [sub-heading] The Sabbath in the Home.
Exodus says no cooking fires. Ellen White says that you can light a fire to warm food on the Sabbath.
EGW always puts her judgment above the scripture.
The Law of Moses was written on stone and it brought death. But God’s shining-greatness was seen when it was given. When Moses took it to the Jews, they could not look at his face because of the bright light. But that bright light in his face began to pass away. 8 The new way of life through the Holy Spirit comes with much more shining-greatness. 9 If the Law of Moses, that leads to death, came in shining-greatness, how much greater and brighter is the light that makes us right with God? 10 The Law of Moses came with shining-greatness long ago. But that light is no longer bright. The shining-greatness of the New Way of Worship that brings us life is so much brighter. 11 The shining light that came with the Law of Moses soon passed away. But the new way of life is much brighter. It will never pass away. 2Cor3:7
If I am not mistaken the law of Moses contained the 10 commandments and the 10 commandments contained the Sabbath command. The law of Mose has passed away. It is but a shadow of the new way. Col 2:16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
That is an excuse friend. The fact is that it is not ours to make excuses for what God commanded the Israelites. If Messianics are so gun ho about keeping the law of Moses then do it without making up your own rules and only observing what you think is relevant today. That is correct, it cannot be done and God doesn't expect us to do what He intended only for the totalitarian nation of Israel to do.Im not here to defined SDA's, but respond to EX 35:3, so in regards to that whole dont kindle a fire, the reason God said that, is because kindling a fire was alot of work and it was used specifically so they could do work, so it makes perfect sense to say dont kindle a fire, it its main purpose was for them to do work with it.
Yes, that I agree (if it makes any difference).It brought death because they specifically chose to keep disobeying God.
That was not His intention, but it happened didn't it. All who came out of Egypt except Moses and Aaron died in the wilderness because they couldn't get it right. Many of the descendants also met tragic deaths because of unbelief and failure to keep their promise.God would not bring the people out of slavery in Egypt to to reward them with death.
The final curse was in AD70 when Israel ceased to be.the specifically agreed if they kept the commandments, they would be blessed and if they broke it they would be curses.
I am sure glad God is the judge. Grace, grace, marvelous grace.The penalty of sin aka Breaking the commandments still brings death, but now we have grace, so if you repent and accept Christ you are covered and if you are a unbeliever, you are punishable by death in hell.
Hi Peter and welcome to the forum. I am in agreement with you until the "however". Messianic believers like most all denominations proselytize your beliefs and according to new Testament teachings are not in harmony. I was once swayed be a sincere loving group of people to accept what they believe. For 40 years I followed the teachings of that church until I really started studying the truths of scripture. There are not 5000 ways of doing what God wants of us. We know from the writings of Paul and John what Jesus expects from those who follow Him.Hello Bob, What part of what I have said is not in alignment with the Scriptures?
Yes. The penalty of sin is death.The penalty of sin aka Breaking the commandments still brings death, but now we have grace, so if you repent and accept Christ you are covered and if you are a unbeliever, you are punishable by death in hell.
Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,
2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,
3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Jesus said it Himself.
I believe Jesus, you believe the lie, a big lie.
Truthfully not.With all this in mind, we understand that, "three days and three nights", simply meant at "some point on the third day."
So how exactly do you obey God then, arent you picking and choosing what you will follow. There has to be some sort of guidelines you follow.That is an excuse friend. The fact is that it is not ours to make excuses for what God commanded the Israelites. If Messianics are so gun ho about keeping the law of Moses then do it without making up your own rules and only observing what you think is relevant today. That is correct, it cannot be done and God doesn't expect us to do what He intended only for the totalitarian nation of Israel to do.
Delight in His Word, Seek Yhwh's Kingdom and keep Seeking.So how exactly do you obey God then, arent you picking and choosing what you will follow. There has to be some sort of guidelines you follow.
Anyone can say Love is all they need. I went to a gay wedding a month ago and thats all they talked about was Love while quoting bible verses about Love, while ignoring the verses in which God calls their lifestyle an abomination. If there is no standard, anyone an pick any choose what they want to do in the bible.
God isnt expecting perfection from us, put our desire to obey him should be for perfection, eventhough we will fall short.
Truthfully not.
I used to think that was an okay way to look at it,
then found out Yhwh NEVER meant that at all .
Please stop trying to get me to eat the same fruit as you. We have what the Messiah said, plainly. He said he would raise on the third day. We know from history AND tradition that Judaism counts inclusively. It's not my fault the habit of rejecting Judaism (reformed mindset) causes you to create your own western understanding of an eastern custom. Thus causing all kinds of erroneous errors in your theology.1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ 4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
I have yet to meet or hear of any Jew that agrees that is the way they kept time back then.Please stop trying to get me to eat the same fruit as you. We have what the Messiah said, plainly. He said he would raise on the third day. We know from history AND tradition that Judaism counts inclusively. It's not my fault the habit of rejecting Judaism (reformed mindset) causes you to create your own western understanding of an eastern custom. Thus causing all kinds of erroneous errors in your theology.
I believe Messiah meant what he said; that he would be raised ON the third day, as scripture states, and as proved out in regards to inclusive counting.
Sorry. Not.We have what the Messiah said, plainly. He said he would raise on the third day.
If I were picking and choosing would that make it alright for you to do? No Saan, I am not picking and choosing. Morality covers most everything we need to know as to how we treat God and our fellow man.So how exactly do you obey God then, arent you picking and choosing what you will follow. There has to be some sort of guidelines you follow.
I believe homosexuality is covered very well in the New Testament. Besides I have stressed in my dialogue with you and other old covenant believers that it is rituals given only to Israel that are not part of the Christian way of life. Moral issues are forever. Christians can and should glean from the Old Testament. It is full of very inspiring stories and history. What is of real great value to Christians is how God's plan of salvation has played out since Adam. It has taken a lot of twists, turns, joys and disappointments, but we can see How God has used various people and nations throughout history to accomplish His plan.Anyone can say Love is all they need. I went to a gay wedding a month ago and thats all they talked about was Love while quoting bible verses about Love, while ignoring the verses in which God calls their lifestyle an abomination. If there is no standard, anyone an pick any choose what they want to do in the bible.
What I am trying to get across to you and those who read our posts is that we shouldn't burden ourselves with laws that in no way pertain to a Christian life. Like I have written several times, God has never ever asked a gentile to observe laws given only to Israel, so why would gentiles burden themselves with trying to observe something that would not gain them one iota? The sad thing is, that when we try to observe laws that we are not asked to observe, we come up short and feel guilty. I know from my experience as an Adventist and the insistence that we must "keep" the Sabbath Holy by not doing our own pleasure. I failed every week and the guilt was tremendous. And to think it was all for naught. I hope this helps.God isnt expecting perfection from us, put our desire to obey him should be for perfection, eventhough we will fall short.
Justify anything you like.Im not here to defined SDA's, but respond to EX 35:3, so in regards to that whole dont kindle a fire, the reason God said that, is because kindling a fire was alot of work and it was used specifically so they could do work, so it makes perfect sense to say dont kindle a fire, it its main purpose was for them to do work with it.
17 O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance. Isa 63It brought death because they specifically chose to keep disobeying God. God would not bring the people out of slavery in Egypt to to reward them with death. the specifically agreed if they kept the commandments, they would be blessed and if they broke it they would be curses.
The penalty of sin aka Breaking the commandments still brings death, but now we have grace, so if you repent and accept Christ you are covered and if you are a unbeliever, you are punishable by death in hell.
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